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Time to backburner my Nids (again) so.
*long sigh*

Absolutionis wrote:

xttz wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Nothing wrong with getting enthusiastic about the rumours, but just remember, that's what they are, rumours.

This is likely a reason GW tried to keep them down a bit - White Dwarf is done 3 months ahead of release, so they obviously had no intention of releasing Tyranids this month. A few rumours guys just got a whole community hyped for a release this coming month that was never planned.

They should obviously step in and say 'no, it's not February'. But then people would get even more hyped saying that they're just doing damage control.

What they should do is post some form of 'upcoming' schedule so customers know what to expect. Something as vague as:

December WD: "Coming soon... new xenomorphs spotted in sector ASDFG"
January WD: "Coming very soon... the Hive Fleet grows"
February WD: "Coming next month... mighty new Tyranid creatures!"

That gives the customer increasing levels of information for which to budget, and would likely result in increased sales for the release month. Instead they assume everyone is a kid with infinite pocket money who will snap up the latest release just because "it's new", and because there's no sign of anything more interesting.

One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.

If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then. The way things are now, you're more inclined towards impulse buys here and there to feed your addiction to "The Games Workshop" hobby. When the new Tyranids roll around, you're delightfully surprised and poor... but you're going to save up and buy the stuff eventually.

On the internet age, the booming of new mini companies etc that strategy is not the best IMO... but hey as long as they are happy. My impulse reaction is storing GW and buying others companies minis and games. So even when nids hit the shelves its going to take them a lot of work to lure me in again... and I'm like totally nuts about nids.

Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.

Based on?
Because of?

Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.

And then there's this:

Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.

That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.

Heck, if you want to look at it that way even miniatures' companies do WIP previews and shots.....

Secrecy doesn't work in my local store. Nobody knows of new Vampire army book other than by chance.
And keeping the tervigon release date secret hurts Tyranid sales. Or what would you suggest as (compulsory) HQ for a tyranid beginner? No, there is no Tyranid Prime model either and beginners don't like conversions or 3-400 point HQs (tyrant with guard).

Disappoint.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.

Based on?
Because of?

Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.

And then there's this:

Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.

That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and back H.B.M.C. on this one. Previews only enhance the want for people to buy things. In fact, enough buzz about a game gets people to get back into the game if they left.

GW really needs to get out from under this Hobbit restriction (if the rumor is true) and start building buzz for their lines again.

pretre wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.

Based on?
Because of?

Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.

And then there's this:

Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.

That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and back H.B.M.C. on this one. Previews only enhance the want for people to buy things. In fact, enough buzz about a game gets people to get back into the game if they left.

GW really needs to get out from under this Hobbit restriction (if the rumor is true) and start building buzz for their lines again.

Afraid I'm going to have to disagree with H.B.M.C. There's plenty of evidence that there's several different types of shopper; those who pre-plan their purchases and those driven by impulse buying. Dismissing Absolutionis's hypothesis to GW's marketing strategy whilst in no way supporting your assertion that previewing product would increase sales is extremely unfair. It's clear GW feels their customer base is predominately impulsive and caters towards their reaction to "Oooh, new shiny things". In fact, as you can see from the threads for new releases, it's clear that many users have an emotional reaction to models which would support this. (here's an example of research into different types of shoppers: http://www.acrwebsite.org/volumes/display.asp?id=7468&print=1)

The film preview comparison is a difficult one; the studio is trying not to sell you an object of desire but time spent. Studios are also more often in conflict with each other for its customer base, as opposed to GW who have a captive audience due to the investment in their game system.

I would like to say I'm not suggesting for a second that I agree with the way GW markets or releases its products.

Kroothawk wrote: beginners don't like conversions or 3-400 point HQs (tyrant with guard).

Tyrant Guard was my second model, and the Tyrant my third.

Also, knowing that I am planning and saving for a purchase does not prevent the impulse buys.
Their catering pretty much only to impulse buys prevents my impulse buys.

On the other hand, third party sales of missing models reduce the pool of people willing to buy the official models. If GW gave release dates a lot of people would hold off on those purchase.

Branderic wrote:If GW gave release dates a lot of people would hold off on those purchase.

Maybe not if GW's answer is: "In 2-3 years."

Kroothawk wrote:

Branderic wrote:If GW gave release dates a lot of people would hold off on those purchase.

Maybe not if GW's answer is: "In 2-3 years."

If they did say that, I would at least feel that it would be worth converting models to count as the missing minis, instead of as it stands now where people like me without much talent for converting aren't willing to attempt it when we think that maybe just maybe the actual models will be released soon.

edit: I just noticed on the Tyranid page of GWs site that most of the Tyranid articles are gone. Is it that way for everyone else?

GW's secrecy policy harmed them in my own experience at least. I was interested in Dark Eldar but saw a great Eldar megaforce deal on Ebay, so I bought it from that seller. A week later the DE Megaforce pops out of nowhere. I would have bought that from GW.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:edit: I just noticed on the Tyranid page of GWs site that most of the Tyranid articles are gone. Is it that way for everyone else?

Most of the hobby articles got removed recently. They are probably going to reupload and update them.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.

Based on?
Because of?

Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.

And then there's this:

Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.

That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.

Movies and Video Games and other forms of entertainment don't compare to miniatures too well. The value of Movies and Video Games depreciates over time. A movie that's out for $10 today will eventually end up showing at a $1.50 theatre and maybe even show on TV. Video Games drop off significantly after the first few weeks. (pardon the US Dollar example). Fact is, most miniatures products, and especially GW product does NOT depreciate over time so they're just as inclined to sell old product as new product.

It computes and there is a basis for this assertion. It is still, of course, purely hypothetical from my point of view.

Harriticus wrote:GW's secrecy policy harmed them in my own experience at least. I was interested in Dark Eldar but saw a great Eldar megaforce deal on Ebay, so I bought it from that seller. A week later the DE Megaforce pops out of nowhere. I would have bought that from GW.

...and your probably eventually will. In the end, GW ended up selling an old Eldar battleforce where it would have been less likely for them to sell it otherwise.

Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then. The way things are now, you're more inclined towards impulse buys here and there to feed your addiction to "The Games Workshop" hobby. When the new Tyranids roll around, you're delightfully surprised and poor... but you're going to save up and buy the stuff eventually.

The thing is, for me, I am not buying anything GW now. All I collect is DA and Tyranids. I want to buy stuff for Tyranids. Thing is, nothing to buy, I am NOT going to start a new different army. I want Tyranids and DA only nothing else. So since I am ithcing to buy something, I came along and found Magic for my son, so now they get money and Hordes from Privateer Press. Looks like when Tyranids if and do come out even in March, GW will not be getting from me anymore since my money is going else where now. Too little too late. Thing is, I guess I am a minority so doesn't matter to GW.

Maybe too many people jump from one army to another, so I guess this how is how GW runs. I am not like that, so it looks like I am on my last legs of 40K. I thougt something new for Tyrnaids would keep me into it, but sadly it's not here now.

I need a sanity check. Was looking at Tyranid stuff on the GW website today, and noticed two things. Could someone confirm that this isn't just my faulty memory:

1) Tyranid warriors have new box art
2) Hive tyrant linked to from the army page, though the link still doesn't work, has had its price increased.

edit: Carnifex & Biovore boxes also look unfamiliar.

On the uk site the warriors art is the same. Tyrant is £36, which i believe is what it was after the annual hike.

Something I did notice when checking out the Warrior page for box art, is the page has 'With this box you can build the following', and the Tyranid Primes information is under the Tyranid Warrior information.

Seems they're hinting that we're not getting a Prime model - use a Warrior.

-Loki- wrote:Something I did notice when checking out the Warrior page for box art, is the page has 'With this box you can build the following', and the Tyranid Primes information is under the Tyranid Warrior information.

Seems they're hinting that we're not getting a Prime model - use a Warrior.

The border looks different to me. While the pic looks the same, it does look different, wich I think is the border. Top left has a ribbon or what ever it's called. The Carnifex and Biovore deffintly is new I believe. Could be wrong but looks new to me.

H.B.M.C. wrote:That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.

difference being that movies are very short run, games are even short run in general, where gw minis are generally available for years and years...

i'm the kind of shopper that knowing before hand doesn't really matter. if i can't afford it the day it comes out, i just wait to buy it when i can... no saving beforehand will change me biung a mini, sooner or later, if i want it, then i'll buy it... can't really go to the movies after 6 months and expect to see the same thing...

not saying i wouldn't like to know or see what's coming up, it just doesn't really change my spending...

pretre wrote:

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:edit: I just noticed on the Tyranid page of GWs site that most of the Tyranid articles are gone. Is it that way for everyone else?

Most of the hobby articles got removed recently. They are probably going to reupload and update them.

They are more likely to turn them into a book they'll sell for more money than it's worth.

I think 'nid players deserve a new release. Also, why do DE get every single HQ they have except one in finecast?

Someone on Warseer said their local GW was told they'd be returning the finecast Hive Tyrant to HQ on February 31st.

Seems it might have been bumped back a month for the LOTR issue.

-Loki- wrote:Someone on Warseer said their local GW was told they'd be returning the finecast Hive Tyrant to HQ on February 31st.

Seems it might have been bumped back a month for the LOTR issue.

Well not sure if it's "bumped" back. Since WD is what, made 3 months in advance, GW is following a time line, so if something changed, then it changed 3 or so months ago. So Tyranids/Necrons were never slotted for February. Then again we don't know what else is being released for February, but I can't see LotR and Tyranids/Necrons being released at the same time, but who knows, it can still happen, but I doubt it.

Well yeah, I know that. I pointed that out already. But for the rumour guys, some of them see timetables - stickmonkey mentioned his timetable had Tyranids and Necrons in February. Between him seeing the time table and White Dwarf actually to print, GW must have decided to bump back the Tyranid/Necron issue for the LOTR issue.

-Loki- wrote:Someone on Warseer said their local GW was told they'd be returning the finecast Hive Tyrant to HQ on February 31st.

February 31st? Are you sure?

Kroothawk wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Someone on Warseer said their local GW was told they'd be returning the finecast Hive Tyrant to HQ on February 31st.

February 31st? Are you sure?

It's a leap year, February is longer this year. Duh.

calendar fail

I know its a leap year but thats a stretch far

Davor wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Something I did notice when checking out the Warrior page for box art, is the page has 'With this box you can build the following', and the Tyranid Primes information is under the Tyranid Warrior information.

Seems they're hinting that we're not getting a Prime model - use a Warrior.

The border looks different to me. While the pic looks the same, it does look different, wich I think is the border. Top left has a ribbon or what ever it's called. The Carnifex and Biovore deffintly is new I believe. Could be wrong but looks new to me.

Just got home and checked my existing boxes, and the warriors and carnifex are different. My boxes all have a whiter background, and the warriors picture doesn't have the ripper swarm. This might not mean anything though; I bought my stuff around six months ago, and it could have changed before now and I just never noticed until now.

Nobody with the US site has said anything about the Hive Tyrant price...has it been 57.75 for a while now? I hope I didn't pay that much for the three kits I bought...