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Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

For 40k nerds, maybe. For someone who only plays Fantasy (like Harry and Hastings) it would be pretty easy to mistake one huge winged 'Nid for another.

LunaHound wrote: its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

You haven't seen Luney Tunes have you?

Weren't the early rumors indicating that the Harpy looks 'different' than what the viewer expected?

Considering the Harpy doesn't have any strict images aside from the limiting Codex art, it's not difficult at all to mistake the official Venom Cannon Wined Tyrant for a Harpy.

lord_blackfang wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

For 40k nerds, maybe. For someone who only plays Fantasy (like Harry and Hastings) it would be pretty easy to mistake one huge winged 'Nid for another.

ghost you mean?

I thought we confirmed ghost was full-of-it?

ph34r wrote:I thought we confirmed ghost was full-of-it?

I think thats where the Harpy rumor spawned from though.
Hence I believe you cant possibly mistaken Tyrant with wings for a Harpy,
Tyrant have distinct crests.

Ghost made everything up, so who cares if he meant Harpy or Flyrant, it has no bearing on what is actually being released or will be.

A (hypothetical) real informant that actually did see models ahead of time could easily confuse the two if he didn't know the army well.

IIRC, the person that intially said he'd seen the Harpy was Stickmonkey (last year some time), who was also the person who said they'd seen the Tyrannofex and said it didn't look like the artwork.

FWIW, Harry seems to think ghost did know some things. I agree that ghost and stickmonkey don't seem to have the best track records, but it's pretty clear that the studio is indeed locked down these days, and that we aren't going to get highly revealing and accurate information from anyone short of a designer himself coming on and spilling the beans.

In the case of Tyranids, it's not unreasonable to think that GW might already be working on some models (Cerebore?) for a new iteration of Tyranids 2 or 3 years out. We know they work that far out, right? Similarly, ghost took a lot of flak over the Umbra/Hrud stuff, but is it impossible he got a glimpse of some concept sketches and let his imagination run too much? Umbra/Hrud don't seem likely to me either, but the designers almost certainly concept out a bunch of new armies that will never see the light of day.

Again, not really defending their track records...I'm just saying that it's very hard to evaluate rumormongers, especially over the short term.

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

My wife has done that, fortunately not to he point of disaster...

In fairness the skunk was in some bushes.

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

Early rumours by stickmonkey. Later confirmation by Harry, who doesn't play 40k and was not certain what a Harpy is. So it is possible, but I still have hopes (and a non-GW Harpy )

BTW nice skunk in your avatar

I believe Harry heard the name 'Harpy' though, as he mentioned he didn't know 40k had Harpies.

I just wanted to say that somebody suggesting that it's impossible to mix up the Flyrant with the Harpy is r i d i c you l o you s.

That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Edit: And I went through some of Stickmonkey's old posts on warseer the other day, to see if his negative reputation on Dakka was actually deserved. He called the plastic Tyrant (when it didn't really make sense to exist as a release with so many other Tyranid options unavailable) but he also claimed that the Tervigon and T-fex looked very different from one another, so much so that it was hard to imagine them coming from the same kit. As we now know, that's not true at all. With the Harpy's existence unproven, I'd say he's 50/50 on Tyranids right now.

Altruizine wrote:
Edit: And I went through some of Stickmonkey's old posts on warseer the other day, to see if his negative reputation on Dakka was actually deserved. He called the plastic Tyrant (when it didn't really make sense to exist as a release with so many other Tyranid options unavailable) but he also claimed that the Tervigon and T-fex looked very different from one another, so much so that it was hard to imagine them coming from the same kit. As we now know, that's not true at all. With the Harpy's existence unproven, I'd say he's 50/50 on Tyranids right now.

I asked and he didn't withdraw his observation. So obviously this creature (as far as he is concerned) still exists only it's not a Tyrannofex.

Kroothawk wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

Early rumours by stickmonkey. Later confirmation by Harry, who doesn't play 40k and was not certain what a Harpy is. So it is possible, but I still have hopes (and a non-GW Harpy )

BTW nice skunk in your avatar

Hey!! now that is entirely possible. >.<
I do like the fluffeh tails

Altruizine wrote:I just wanted to say that somebody suggesting that it's impossible to mix up the Flyrant with the Harpy is r i d i c you l o you s.

That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

You are assuming that not only do the people who provided the early rumors know anything about tyranids, ande that they saw a completed, painted model. If I looked at some Brettonan horse models, I'd have no idea what they were, though I assume they also have distinct features that set them apart.

Additionally, you assume that they saw completed, assembled models. Try looking at them is sprue form, and figuring out what they look like when assembled.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

You are assuming that not only do the people who provided the early rumors know anything about tyranids, ande that they saw a completed, painted model. If I looked at some Brettonan horse models, I'd have no idea what they were, though I assume they also have distinct features that set them apart.

Additionally, you assume that they saw completed, assembled models. Try looking at them is sprue form, and figuring out what they look like when assembled.

As much as I want to say "you are not wrong", I cant.

Because for the level of "leaks" you guys are willing to accept, was ultimately what allowed ghost21 ( and TONS of others like him ) to spawn from.
Im looking for a healthy balance of rumors that are actually not made up, and part of it's integrity requires none vague answers anyone can pull from their bum hole
and later not be held accountable because how vague it was.

If it means anything to you, I also believe Hasting , Harry's rumors, I have 100% faith in them

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

Early rumours by stickmonkey. Later confirmation by Harry, who doesn't play 40k and was not certain what a Harpy is. So it is possible, but I still have hopes (and a non-GW Harpy )

BTW nice skunk in your avatar

Hey!! now that is entirely possible. >.<
I do like the fluffeh tails

Altruizine wrote:I just wanted to say that somebody suggesting that it's impossible to mix up the Flyrant with the Harpy is r i d i c you l o you s.

That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

And my point is that a normal person taking a quick look at a prelease Flyrant wouldn't see any of those things. Nobody but a fanatic Tyranid player with an aspie checklist of likes and dislikes would. Tyrants have spikes on their heads. So do Carnifexes. Big deal. You really think somebody sneaking a peek at the Flyrant is going to run through a mental verification of Common Tyranid Head Spike Characteristics before deciding what they think it is?

LunaHound wrote:If it means anything to you, I also believe Hasting , Harry's rumors, I have 100% faith in them

As I said, both are strict Fantasy players not familiar with or interested in 40k at all, so they might get some 40k names and details wrong. And to be fair, just give the Flyrant two stranglethorn cannons and it is a perfect harpy.

And stickmonkey answer to what different models he has s een was quite cryptic.

IIRC, Harry didn't see the Harpy model, he was told there was one. Stickmonkey claimed he saw one.

Altruizine wrote:
And my point is that a normal person taking a quick look at a prelease Flyrant wouldn't see any of those things. Nobody but a fanatic Tyranid player with an aspie checklist of likes and dislikes would. Tyrants have spikes on their heads. So do Carnifexes. Big deal. You really think somebody sneaking a peek at the Flyrant is going to run through a mental verification of Common Tyranid Head Spike Characteristics before deciding what they think it is?

... Yes its the primary purpose of a design characteristic and attribute.
Its the first impression all animals are supposed to get for seeing something.

But that would be a totally different topic, so lets end the OT here, shall we?

Back on Topic.

I want to fill my troop choices with warriors....

melee warriors

with tons of lash wips
and bone swords

How do I do this cheap and affordable?
What combinations?
Can Warriors abuse wound allocation?

Sticking on Topic...

My Tyrannofexes are awesome

They are Amazing models with LOTS of bits, and if you build them as Tyrannofexes, you can still use the Birthing Sacks as handy Mycetic Spores ^^!


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Also, Pics to prove it!!!!

Tyrannofex:


Mycetic Spore:

And also some pics on how i used left over bobbins to imporve my Zoanthrope, to a Doom of Malantai ^^!

can we have size comparison between the new tyranofex and a carnifex please? :'D

Ofc.

Can i have a Carnifex please ^^?

Mines smashed into pieces :L

you can have one with my Tervigonofex later on today ^^!

I could have sworn these were coming out on March 5th, but then my FLGS called me today saying my Tervigons are ready for pickup. Delicious!

[quote=LunaHound
I want to fill my troop choices with warriors....

melee warriors

with tons of lash wips
and bone swords

How do I do this cheap and affordable?
What combinations?
Can Warriors abuse wound allocation?

Stick Warriors in strong cover and they can take a while to whittle down, if your enemy bothers to shoot at them at all. They can provide useful mid-to-backfield synapse coverage, or you can run them up close - however, they are incredibly vulnerable to S8+, so use extreme caution with them.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Stick Warriors in strong cover and they can take a while to whittle down, if your enemy bothers to shoot at them at all. They can provide useful mid-to-backfield synapse coverage, or you can run them up close - however, they are incredibly vulnerable to S8+, so use extreme caution with them.

Use a Hive Tyrant to outflank them, then come on and hit them with FNP from a tervigon and you have a strong unit walking onto the field from the board edge, firing 27 Str. 5 shots, and looking for a fight. If only you could attach a prime to this combo.

Or (what I'm toying with now), deploy them normally, hit them with FNP and Catalyst, move, run, and be halfway across the board on turn 1, firing 27 shots 18" away. Just gotta skirt the cover.

LunaHound wrote:
I want to fill my troop choices with warriors....

melee warriors

with tons of lash wips
and bone swords

How do I do this cheap and affordable?
What combinations?
Can Warriors abuse wound allocation?

A 5 strong warrior unit with either a VC or BS and a Prime attached are relatively resilient and give you reasonable wound allocation tricks. Against missile spam, get your Tervy to FnP them, give your Prime regen and let him gobble up missiles for you - nothing more annoying for your opponent than 4 missiles going into them, 3 hitting, 3 wounding, 1 getting eaten by your prime (4+ cover + FnP), one getting saved by cover and only one warrior dying. He could have brought a Tervy down to half wounds or killed 1-2 Hive Guard - I know where I'de be sending my missiles!

Having said that - if you want melee troops, stealers are probably a better bet But that's just my personal preference!

Back on Topic - My pre-ordered T-Fex and Flyrant should be arriving soon - if I get them before other post comparison pics then I'll post some - but not sure when they'll show up...