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Having the psyker die would probably make more sense, a mortal body can older act as a vessel for so long.

I was thinking that but then it sounds a lot like the Eldar...
If it is a kinder god then in theory it wouldn't consume the host like Khaine would.
Khaine is inevitably destructive so destruction is the only result for his host.
Maybe a kinder god would limit the strain or at least try to make it so there is a lesser chance of the host dying...

It does anyway, may as well embrace it...

I didn't mean as a combatant. I meant as an illusion, like a hologram.

Well basically any decent psyker could probably do that...
Some are much better at it than others admittedly but most could do it pretty easily.
What would be the point?

She's stuck in the crystal. Permanently. It's a one way trip. So she can't get back out. So instead, she creates an illusion and speaks through that, instead of possessing a psyker.

We were thinking of combat applications...

Yeah, communication would be fairly easy.
There's not much point possessing a psyker just to have a chat...

Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

So, this is a benign Chaos God?

What emotions does it represent?

Chaos gods don't have to represent an emotion per say, more of a concept.

The emotions?
The concept?
Light. The belief in that all that is good will prevail. It's one of the Lynx's strongest beliefs.
God, I was listening to that playlist again. So that's why it probably will sound: A. bad and B. cheesy.

It's not hope, it's not courage. I can't describe the emotion properly.

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.

Light isn't a concept, the belief that good will prevail is though. Though that opens the morality can of worms, what do they think is good?

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

--->and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.<---

That's the point. That much protection for a tiny group of planets? Sheesh!
Ok, she actually can't make a form in the Warp or in realspace. The crystal is almost like a 3rd dimension, that can affect the other two, but nothing can affect it. Using that, the Artaich can cause a multitude of things to happen in the Warp that in turn affect realspace; hence the laser beam.
It's not really a laser. More of a beam of pure energy.
The moon covered with massive guns, and half of the Imperial Navy protects Terra. That's also the point. And here's the thing: would you like to be trapped in a dimension that is collapsing in on itself, with no way to get out? No? Didn't think so. The Artaich will defend Melarift with all the power she is capable of mustering. Which is a hell of a lot.

Mynameisalie wrote:

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

--->and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.<---

That's the point. That much protection for a tiny group of planets? Sheesh!
Ok, she actually can't make a form in the Warp or in realspace. The crystal is almost like a 3rd dimension, that can affect the other two, but nothing can affect it. Using that, the Artaich can cause a multitude of things to happen in the Warp that in turn affect realspace; hence the laser beam.
It's not really a laser. More of a beam of pure energy.
The moon covered with massive guns, and half of the Imperial Navy protects Terra. That's also the point. And here's the thing: would you like to be trapped in a dimension that is collapsing in on itself, with no way to get out? No? Didn't think so. The Artaich will defend Melarift with all the power she is capable of mustering. Which is a hell of a lot.

what point? The Imperium is defending the system that their species originated from -- an entire system, not just one planet. is the point that you're trying to justify your Sue Cannon by using the Imperium's military as an example?

Necron Crown/Tomb Worlds don't transform in to Unecron when they're threatened. Orks don't combine in to a Hyper Nob to punch battlebarges out of orbit. and so on.

with all preexisting fluff regarding dimensional containers, whatever is put inside is in there basically for good -- unless someone opens the door for you. bound greater daemons -- Ulkair, for example -- need help to get out, and they can't do anything except communicate and try to push people toward that goal.

for this entity to be trapped and still be able to say "what luck! i'm untouchable and i can destroy everything!" is silly. do you want your race to be Codex: Bound Superdaemon and Friends, or Codex: Lynx?

give them a way to defend themselves instead of relying on this deity.

So, its a god of hope, kinda like Tzeentch.

LoneLictor wrote:So, its a god of hope, kinda like Tzeentch.

Exactly like Tzeentch.

blood reaper wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:So, its a god of hope, kinda like Tzeentch.

Exactly like Tzeentch.

funny how that goes.


also, if nothing can affect it while it's trapped in that crystal, how is it drawing strength from worship? or connecting to the Warp to use its powers?

I have a suggestion for the race as a whole.

So, 40k is purposefully and ludicrously grimdark. The universe is doomed and everything is bad. Now you may say that, "The Eldar are good." First and foremost, the Eldar are a dying race. Secondly, they would gladly sacrifice a million humans to save one of their own kin. In any other setting besides 40k, the Eldar would be baaaaad. And as for the Tau, it's heavily hinted that the Ethereals use mind control. Plus, they're the smallest and weakest faction.

Your faction can't be 100% morally in the right. And a society run by a Chaos God can't be 100% stable and happy.

Drakmord wrote:

Necron Crown/Tomb Worlds don't transform in to Unecron when they're threatened.

you just won the internet.

I prefer Megacron tbh

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

Drakmord wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:Practically no combat applications. The crystal completely restricts the entities trapped within from assuming any sort of physical form outside of it. She can do things from within the crystal, e.g. create psychic barriers and such. That's where the lance thing came in. Yes it's mary sue, but it's the Lynx's last planet they actually have any right to. More commonly know as a home planet. Terra's defended just as well.
Does that clear up a few things, including my chain of thought? I confuse myself sometimes. Bet Tzeentch does too. I wouldn't be surprised, with that much plotting going on.

then how is this warp entity trapped at all if it can destroy fleets of ships and shield an entire planet by itself?

it's not like if an enemy ship gets near Terra the Emperor wakes up and pukes a laser beam at them, there's an entire fleet of ships (half of the Imperial Navy, i think) and a moon covered in guns that take care of that.

--->and it's not just Terra -- all of Sol is defended, seeing as how Jupiter is where they churn out a ton of their warships and Saturn is Inquisition Central.<---

That's the point. That much protection for a tiny group of planets? Sheesh!
Ok, she actually can't make a form in the Warp or in realspace. The crystal is almost like a 3rd dimension, that can affect the other two, but nothing can affect it. Using that, the Artaich can cause a multitude of things to happen in the Warp that in turn affect realspace; hence the laser beam.
It's not really a laser. More of a beam of pure energy.
The moon covered with massive guns, and half of the Imperial Navy protects Terra. That's also the point. And here's the thing: would you like to be trapped in a dimension that is collapsing in on itself, with no way to get out? No? Didn't think so. The Artaich will defend Melarift with all the power she is capable of mustering. Which is a hell of a lot.

what point? The Imperium is defending the system that their species originated from -- an entire system, not just one planet. is the point that you're trying to justify your Sue Cannon by using the Imperium's military as an example?

Necron Crown/Tomb Worlds don't transform in to Unecron when they're threatened. Orks don't combine in to a Hyper Nob to punch battlebarges out of orbit. and so on.

with all preexisting fluff regarding dimensional containers, whatever is put inside is in there basically for good -- unless someone opens the door for you. bound greater daemons -- Ulkair, for example -- need help to get out, and they can't do anything except communicate and try to push people toward that goal.

for this entity to be trapped and still be able to say "what luck! i'm untouchable and i can destroy everything!" is silly. do you want your race to be Codex: Bound Superdaemon and Friends, or Codex: Lynx?

give them a way to defend themselves instead of relying on this deity.

As I said before, the Artaich can't escape physically. I'm guessing you guys have read the GK codex? Well, Inquisitor valeria: Hyperstone Maze. Traps one independent character within it for the entire game? Nearly the same thing, except there is absolutely no way out of it physically. The Artaich can still, like I said before, affect the other two dimensions psychically, and vice versa. And psyker could effectively communicate with the Artaich, but only the Lynx understand what she means. Any other psyker that listens to it just hears code. And regarding the defences, she can only affect realspace in a small radius around the planet. I'm just trying to ensure if the IoM does find my race it has a way of repelling most of what is flung at it. And it should really have a last resort kind of thing. Not anything like a self-destruct.
Erm, regarding the Tzeentch thing, I'm not 100% sure on what emotion I can base it on. Yes, you're right, it is, base line, hope, but I'm not sure on what emotion/concept I should base it on.
100% morality. Yes, that makes more sense than I initially thought. I don't know how to corrupt them. I understand the Chaos God thing, but I'm not sure what to do with either of them.

Alright, here's my suggestion.

The Artaich was a god of ambition and hope (which are quite intertwined, hope is the belief in a better future (for you at least) and ambition is striving for it), meaning it overlapped with Tzeentch's domain. Tzeentch is not one who likes sharing psychic energy with upstarts like the Artaich. If the opportunity had presented itself, Tzeentch would've simply devoured the Artaich's essence and that would've been the end of it. But that wasn't the case.

The Artaich arranged his own imprisonment on a world populated by the most faithful of his worshipers, the Lynx. Though it limited his power greatly and cut him off from the psychic realm, it gave him a degree of protection from Tzeentch. He acts as a sort of overlord to the Lynx, building up their society and armies in his image. In the process, many of the Lynx begin to question the Artaich. They don't like his selfish philosophy and the greed it breeds amongst the Lynx. After all, part of ambition is wanting better gak for yourself. A civil war breaks out and those Lynx who aren't loyal to the Artaich are purged. There ya go, now they aren't 100% in the right.

The Lynx society works like free market capitalism with everyone attempting to claw their way to the top. If you break your back, lose your job and end in the slums, tough luck. Occasionally they conquer other planets for their spoils, but they're walking on a thin line; take too much and they'll earn the ire of the Imperium. Even its crumbling state, the Imperium is still a grave threat to the relatively tiny Lynx empire.

But you've said that you don't want to make them too evil. So, they aren't unnecessary cruel like the Imperium. Their society has a few restrictions against more heinous crimes, like rape, slavery and murder. Furthermore they don't brainwash people like the Tau. And Lynx aren't creations of pure ambition. Some are generous and kind (just not most). So morally, they're on about the same level as the Eldar.

Never forget though, the most important rule of Lynx society is 'look out for number one'.

There's a good idea.

LoneLictor has some awesome ideas. but, i don't think that the Artaich's imprisonment should be an easy feat. in the fluff, Tesseract Labyrinths (the devices developed by the Necrons and given to the Grey Knights at some point) don't work very well on Greater Daemons. they also had to shatter the C'tan in order to trap them.

a lesser Chaos God would require something fairly extensive to keep itself bound -- a coven of minders, for instance, charged with the constant upkeep of its physical shell.

their capitalist bent would also work wonders in dealing with the Tau, as they could get their hands on that sweet Tau tech through trade or contract. then instead of having a god-laser, the Lynx could point a few guns at the sky like the rest of the galaxy. to say nothing of whatever the Lynx navy may be comprised of.

LL, thank you.
One point, the Artaich is female.
Drakmord, the Priestesses take care of the Animatrix Crystal that contains the Artaich. However, there is a prophecy that one day, maybe sometime in the near future, the Animatrix Crystal will shatter, and Tzeentch will finally be able to bring down his fury upon the Artaich, and consequently, the Lynx race.
Does that help make it a bit more GRIMDARK?

Mynameisalie wrote:LL, thank you.
One point, the Artaich is female.
Drakmord, the Priestesses take care of the Animatrix Crystal that contains the Artaich. However, there is a prophecy that one day, maybe sometime in the near future, the Animatrix Crystal will shatter, and Tzeentch will finally be able to bring down his fury upon the Artaich, and consequently, the Lynx race.
Does that help make it a bit more GRIMDARK?

Now it's grimdark!

It's a doomed society that was only slightly better than the Imperium in the first place.

Thanks!