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*headbang*
Why is everything taken?!?!?!
I'm guessing this is why it's so ****** hard to make a codex! Cause all the ideas have already gone!
God, this is sooo hard!

Deadnight wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

They use their crystals in a sort of tech they call psimechanics. It's a breed of psycho-reactive technology that responds to the user's mental stimuli to produce a desired effect. Just thought i'd add that.

sounds a bit too similar to what eldar bonsingers do, to be honest.

It's exactly what they do in fact.

Exactly.

Because Psykers don't employ elemental powers, mind-control, telepathy or other fantasy staples?

How Daemons happen:

All souls flicker like candles in the Warp, a howling maelstrom of emotion and thought given form and ever-mutable shape.

The souls of Psykers flicker more brightly than that of the common person, and powerful psykers glow most brightly of all. Daemons are drawn to these lights like moths to a flame. For the Eldar and the Imperial, they undergo rites and rituals that protect them from these Daemons. The Eldar with their Aspects and their runes, Spirit Stones and other relics, shield their souls from Daemonic predators. Psykers of the Imperium undergo the rites of Sanctioning... those who fail, or are judged too weak of mind to withstand the Daemon, are fed to the Golden Throne, thousands every day.

For a mind that lacks these defenses, Daemons simply move through that psychic flicker to possess the mind and body of the psyker in realspace. For the vast majority of psykers, their lives end here, messily, as their soul is devoured, mind destroyed and body warped into horrific shapes to house the Daemon that has taken possession of them. If it is a powerful enough Daemon, it can then open Warp Gates and initiate a full-on Warp Incursion on that world which may, provided sufficient time and other psychic minds, result in the world being utterly lost and slide into the Warp itself, becoming a Daemon World.

There is no such thing as "good Chaos corruption". Whether it's Khorne or Slaanesh, Nurgle or Tzeentch, the Ruinous Powers are not nice gods, and they really don't give a feth what your dreams or ideas are or were. Once touched by their power and granted their Gifts, they own you, mind, body and, most especially, soul. A highly-psychic race, one might even say naturally magical, would most likely be thralls of Tzeentch, the Architect of Fate and the Changer of the Ways... or at least constantly under threat from Tzeentch or Slaanesh to become their thralls.

Now... while some (very few) Imperial commanders, in both the IG and the Space Marines, have, at times, forged uneasy alliances with Eldar, this is not to say that the point-ears were invited into the Lord General's tent to attend strategy meetings or allowed to ride in the Chimera next to the rank-and-file. The average Imperial citizen hates and fears the Xeno with a religious fury bordering on fanaticism. The psyker even more so. Psyker Xenos? Witch-Hunters have consigned entire worlds to the pyre for less. The Blood Axe Orks that have been mentioned a few times are most often found in the employ of particularly seedy Rogue Traders, who aren't anywhere near the place they're sending their Ork mercs to go fight. Why? Because the Blood Axe often turn on their employer, because they've obviously got more loot than that which they paid the Orks with in the first place. Some radical Inquisitors may also make use of them, though they operate under much the same caution... don't be near where you send your Orks, or be prepared and able to double-cross them before they double-cross you.

That established, to keep them in line with current fluff, you won't have your Lynx hanging out on the local Hive World or cooling their heels in the local bar with some IG troops. No one in the Imperium likes aliens, and even those who do are either very, very quiet about it, or live so far out in deep space aboard their own voidfarer that no one knows what they're up to.

Daemonhammer wrote:Mynameisalie please dont feed the trolls, i like your ideas.
EdIt: Personal insults are violations of Rule #1. -Mannahnin

back to the topic YES the Imperium is xenophobic because all alien races encountered by them are hostile towards them in some way. BUT there are many examples of the imperium working with aliens (usually on the "common enemy" basis). Here are some examples:

Eldar - 12th Black Crusade
Tau - After a Necron Tomb World awoke, tau joined forces with Ultramarines to defeat them. (SM codex)
Orks - Blood axes are mercenaries. 'nuff said.

The entire idea of sharing the galaxy with nonhuman species, be they peaceful or not, is abhorrent to the Imperium of Man since it was founded.
Temporary alliances or peace treaties, usualy done because the Imperium had no other choice ( mostly because even the Imperium,'s massive ressources aren't without limits ) at that time, do not change that simple and well established fact.

Because Psykers don't employ elemental powers, mind-control, telepathy or other fantasy staples?

How Daemons happen:

All souls flicker like candles in the Warp, a howling maelstrom of emotion and thought given form and ever-mutable shape.

The souls of Psykers flicker more brightly than that of the common person, and powerful psykers glow most brightly of all. Daemons are drawn to these lights like moths to a flame. For the Eldar and the Imperial, they undergo rites and rituals that protect them from these Daemons. The Eldar with their Aspects and their runes, Spirit Stones and other relics, shield their souls from Daemonic predators. Psykers of the Imperium undergo the rites of Sanctioning... those who fail, or are judged too weak of mind to withstand the Daemon, are fed to the Golden Throne, thousands every day.

For a mind that lacks these defenses, Daemons simply move through that psychic flicker to possess the mind and body of the psyker in realspace. For the vast majority of psykers, their lives end here, messily, as their soul is devoured, mind destroyed and body warped into horrific shapes to house the Daemon that has taken possession of them. If it is a powerful enough Daemon, it can then open Warp Gates and initiate a full-on Warp Incursion on that world which may, provided sufficient time and other psychic minds, result in the world being utterly lost and slide into the Warp itself, becoming a Daemon World.

There is no such thing as "good Chaos corruption". Whether it's Khorne or Slaanesh, Nurgle or Tzeentch, the Ruinous Powers are not nice gods, and they really don't give a feth what your dreams or ideas are or were. Once touched by their power and granted their Gifts, they own you, mind, body and, most especially, soul. A highly-psychic race, one might even say naturally magical, would most likely be thralls of Tzeentch, the Architect of Fate and the Changer of the Ways... or at least constantly under threat from Tzeentch or Slaanesh to become their thralls.

Now... while some (very few) Imperial commanders, in both the IG and the Space Marines, have, at times, forged uneasy alliances with Eldar, this is not to say that the point-ears were invited into the Lord General's tent to attend strategy meetings or allowed to ride in the Chimera next to the rank-and-file. The average Imperial citizen hates and fears the Xeno with a religious fury bordering on fanaticism. The psyker even more so. Psyker Xenos? Witch-Hunters have consigned entire worlds to the pyre for less. The Blood Axe Orks that have been mentioned a few times are most often found in the employ of particularly seedy Rogue Traders, who aren't anywhere near the place they're sending their Ork mercs to go fight. Why? Because the Blood Axe often turn on their employer, because they've obviously got more loot than that which they paid the Orks with in the first place. Some radical Inquisitors may also make use of them, though they operate under much the same caution... don't be near where you send your Orks, or be prepared and able to double-cross them before they double-cross you.

That established, to keep them in line with current fluff, you won't have your Lynx hanging out on the local Hive World or cooling their heels in the local bar with some IG troops. No one in the Imperium likes aliens, and even those who do are either very, very quiet about it, or live so far out in deep space aboard their own voidfarer that no one knows what they're up to.

We've moved on from that. It's more of a "work in the shadows" army. We're now trying to get technology right. That and the goddamn crystals I spent ****ing ages making! No harshness meant here, but if you guys had to do the same thing, it would drive you over the edge. I do like the idea of that last sentence. If only that could be true...

Mynameisalie wrote:We've moved on from that. It's more of a "work in the shadows" army. We're now trying to get technology right. That and the goddamn crystals I spent ****ing ages making! No harshness meant here, but if you guys had to do the same thing, it would drive you over the edge.

I've done this kind of thing before, my Dark Eldar Kabal, a fluff project that's been through three stages and has been discarded because I found it impossible to make it. Your not the only one.

Work in the shadows, again, Eldar like.

Your race is far too like the Eldar.

blood reaper wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

They use their crystals in a sort of tech they call psimechanics. It's a breed of psycho-reactive technology that responds to the user's mental stimuli to produce a desired effect. Just thought i'd add that.

sounds a bit too similar to what eldar bonsingers do, to be honest.

It's exactly what they do in fact.

Exactly.

*repeated banging head against solid steel wall*
Why. Is. Everything. Taken?!?!?!?! Is it just me, or does absolutely everything in the 40k universe which will fit in the canon been taken already?


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Argh! Why is everything just so hard to get round? Eldar don't help everyone, they sit there and hope the Imperium doesn't finish off the Orks.


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But they do sometimes have interesting anatomy...

Mynameisalie wrote:
*repeated banging head against solid steel wall*
Why. Is. Everything. Taken?!?!?!?! Is it just me, or does absolutely everything in the 40k universe which will fit in the canon been taken already?

because they've been writing stuff about thier universe since the early 80s, which is, well, well before you were even born. its even before i was born! GW have covered a hell of a lot of ground with their writings.

Wait. How about Lynx carry the Crystals inside them? Like their skeleton, which could attest to their psychic power?

They don't help, they use, along with Tzeentch, and other sneaky gits.

This will take awhile, so again, you'll need allot of spare time and be ready to compromise.

Deadnight wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:
*repeated banging head against solid steel wall*
Why. Is. Everything. Taken?!?!?!?! Is it just me, or does absolutely everything in the 40k universe which will fit in the canon been taken already?

because they've been writing stuff about thier universe since the early 80s, which is, well, well before you were even born. its even before i was born! GW have covered a hell of a lot of ground with their writings.

I'm 14. It's going to be before I was born.
Wait, Blood reaper, can you do a list of what we're at so far? Put a U next to something that we're still trying to resolve.

Mynameisalie wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:
*repeated banging head against solid steel wall*
Why. Is. Everything. Taken?!?!?!?! Is it just me, or does absolutely everything in the 40k universe which will fit in the canon been taken already?

because they've been writing stuff about thier universe since the early 80s, which is, well, well before you were even born. its even before i was born! GW have covered a hell of a lot of ground with their writings.

I'm 14. It's going to be before I was born.
Wait, Blood reaper, can you do a list of what we're at so far? Put a U next to something that we're still trying to resolve.

Everything.

That's the truth, it's cold and hard, but everything is at a U right now becuase nothing has been properly established.

blood reaper wrote:They don't help, they use, along with Tzeentch, and other sneaky gits.

This will take awhile, so again, you'll need allot of spare time and be ready to compromise.

I'll compromise, but there are a few bases to my race I want to stick to. I'll compromise everything except:
The fact they are psykers
They're cursed (already written a rule for this and I am not changing it)
The are feline humanoids
Their planets are sentient in their own right (through use of Animatrix crystals)
They're not ative to the Milky Way, like Tyranids. 40k universe needs more indigenous species. That and it needs more good-looking races
Agreed? Good.
Those are the base principles. Won't change them, but I'll compromise with everything else.


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blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

Deadnight wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:
*repeated banging head against solid steel wall*
Why. Is. Everything. Taken?!?!?!?! Is it just me, or does absolutely everything in the 40k universe which will fit in the canon been taken already?

because they've been writing stuff about thier universe since the early 80s, which is, well, well before you were even born. its even before i was born! GW have covered a hell of a lot of ground with their writings.

I'm 14. It's going to be before I was born.
Wait, Blood reaper, can you do a list of what we're at so far? Put a U next to something that we're still trying to resolve.

Everything.

That's the truth, it's cold and hard, but everything is at a U right now becuase nothing has been properly established.

Lol. I just found that funny.

That's everything about them.

Everything.

It's a lot of poor, cliched ideas and you won't compromise because you can't.

blood reaper wrote:That's everything about them.

Everything.

It's a lot of poor, cliched ideas and you won't compromise because you can't.

Because everything else has been taken. Now it's just throwing in a race that is going to end up similar to a current race.
The cat-person idea hasn't been used yet. That's legit.
Really, this is getting hard. Those ideas I am not compromising are staying.
But please, feel free to dispute anything I haven't mentioned on the list.

Yeah, but doesn't fit.

Nothing fits now. :(

Mynameisalie wrote:Nothing fits now. :(

They just dont.

I'm sorry, you've obviously tired to put work into this, but in reality, writting a new rule book and fluff is incredibly hard when you clam to be new.

I suggest you go right back to the basics, right back to their anatomy and naming, otherwise, it just won't work.

U got that right. I want to stick to the anatomy and naming, though. That's the one thing that makes them personal.
If you know what I mean.

Mynameisalie wrote:U got that right. I want to stick to the anatomy and naming, though. That's the one thing that makes them personal.
If you know what I mean.

Make 'em mutants, a bit less cat like, but with good smell and eye sight, somewhat like a strain of Abhuman Beastmen that's settled on a Jungle World after their ship crashed? They're nicknamed the Lynx because of their slight resemblance to the animal?

blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:U got that right. I want to stick to the anatomy and naming, though. That's the one thing that makes them personal.
If you know what I mean.

Make 'em mutants, a bit less cat like, but with good smell and eye sight, somewhat like a strain of Abhuman Beastmen that's settled on a Jungle World after their ship crashed? They're nicknamed the Lynx because of their slight resemblance to the animal?

The felinity is their trademark. I don't really want to devolve them from that. This is one thing I will stay fixed to.

Mynameisalie wrote:

blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:U got that right. I want to stick to the anatomy and naming, though. That's the one thing that makes them personal.
If you know what I mean.

Make 'em mutants, a bit less cat like, but with good smell and eye sight, somewhat like a strain of Abhuman Beastmen that's settled on a Jungle World after their ship crashed? They're nicknamed the Lynx because of their slight resemblance to the animal?

The felinity is their trademark. I don't really want to devolve them from that. This is one thing I will stay fixed to.

Making them pure cat men is like having Thunder Cats in 40k.

It would ruin the feel.

Mynameisalie wrote:In my last thread, I got the bull taken out of me for simply suggesting a xenos race who cooperates with the Imperium on a regular basis. I have found several resources to show why this could be entirely possible, including some background on some dealings within the Blood Angels chapter. This makes secret alliances within SM chapters an entirely reasonable and acceptable possibility.
Here are some links. Please take the time to look at these and read them through carefully before proceeding to answer. Thank you.
http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_make_a_Xeno_Species#Notes
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/445444.page
http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaign/boarwh40k/wikis/ordo-xenos
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Xenos#.UApoM7Se7nE
I will keep adding more links to support my thesis as time passes. Please remember this is a forum, and so reply in a civilised manner. Remember: not everyone will see he 40k universe from your point of view, so try to have a flexible mind. The "friend" relationship is, as I now understand, is impossible to be integrated into most races, especially the IoM as a whole. The passive Tau have approached something much like this, and have come up with several legitimate reason to do so. See their codex and 40k related sites for more details.

While yes Xenos and humans have worked on some occasions together to fight against chaos , most notable during the Gothic war (Eldar/Space Marines). IIRC there is a special secret pact between the Ordano Xenos and the Eldar called the Coven of Isha. Where they can call upon each other if need be. It used once every few thousands years. Also the Inquisition has has often asked for and been given permission to go into the Black Library to do research on chaos.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Coven_of_Isha#.UAsIV7RfFyM

Unlike some here, I do feel that there is room for some Xeno/IoM cohesiveness. But, I feel that it should be used sparingly, and only when a greater threat is found. Because I feel that the IOM xenophobia does give them a lot of character, and I feel makes them more interesting. Also it gives the pact more weight behind it, that the threat is that big, for them to work together. If used to much I feel that it would also weaken the feeling of "everyone is on their own" feeling of 40k. But, your fluff your rules.

I am on the verge on giving up, again. Already feline humanoids in 40k? *Places head on desk and weeps*


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Makarov wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:In my last thread, I got the bull taken out of me for simply suggesting a xenos race who cooperates with the Imperium on a regular basis. I have found several resources to show why this could be entirely possible, including some background on some dealings within the Blood Angels chapter. This makes secret alliances within SM chapters an entirely reasonable and acceptable possibility.
Here are some links. Please take the time to look at these and read them through carefully before proceeding to answer. Thank you.
http://warhammer40kfanon.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_make_a_Xeno_Species#Notes
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/445444.page
http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaign/boarwh40k/wikis/ordo-xenos
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Xenos#.UApoM7Se7nE
I will keep adding more links to support my thesis as time passes. Please remember this is a forum, and so reply in a civilised manner. Remember: not everyone will see he 40k universe from your point of view, so try to have a flexible mind. The "friend" relationship is, as I now understand, is impossible to be integrated into most races, especially the IoM as a whole. The passive Tau have approached something much like this, and have come up with several legitimate reason to do so. See their codex and 40k related sites for more details.

While yes Xenos and humans have worked on some occasions together to fight against chaos , most notable during the Gothic war (Eldar/Space Marines). IIRC there is a special secret pact between the Inquisition and the Eldar. Where they can call upon each other if need be. It used once every few thousands years. Also the Inquisition has has often asked for and been given permission to go into the Black Library to do research on chaos.

I do feel that there is room for some Xeno/IoM cohesiveness. But, I feel that it should be used sparingly, and only when a greater threat is found. Because I feel that the IOM xenophobia does give them a lot of character, and I feel makes them more interesting. Also it gives the pact more weight behind it, that the threat is that big, for them to work together. If used to much I feel that it would also weaken the feeling of "everyone is on their own" feeling of 40k. But, your fluff your rules.

OMG thank you.

You should realise that the Eldar should remain more importent that your own race, and in all respects, should not be as close to the Imeprium.

But again, I'll be ignored because this just can't work.....

blood reaper wrote:You should realise that the Eldar should remain more importent that your own race, and in all respects, should not be as close to the Imeprium.

But again, I'll be ignored because this just can't work.....

Not as close to the Imperium? Done. And do you mean impotent?

Mynameisalie wrote:

blood reaper wrote:You should realise that the Eldar should remain more importent that your own race, and in all respects, should not be as close to the Imeprium.

But again, I'll be ignored because this just can't work.....

Not as close to the Imperium? Done. And do you mean impotent?

Sorry, I meant importance.

Just make them not at all close to the Imperium and not Xenos, or what about hybrid mutant xenos?

human accidents?

Mynameisalie wrote:human accidents?

Yes.

But not too Cat like, Cat traits, but the full on Cats ruins it.

Or they were twisted when they opened Dimension Gate, a portal to the Void into which the Lynx were originally meant to escape to, but the Tyranids invaded their homeworld in the Andromeda Spiral. In their desperation to escape, the Lyynx accidentally caused the most violent psychic distortion ever recorded. It killed a lot of the Tyranids, enough to create an escape route for the Lynx, but caused such a backlash that it edited the Lynx's base DNA pattern, transforming them into psychic conduits for Void energy to flow through.
Just an idea. Wrote this whilst listening "To Glory" by Two Steps From Hell. I always perform better when I listen to them.