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Guys I'm making a new thread for this. I'll post a link soon.
Here's the link. If you want to discuss the fluff, you do it there.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/465664.page

So what's this thread for?

purplefood wrote:So what's this thread for?

Trying to escape criticism.

No, the title says it all.
Discussion on whether the IoM would use xenos. Not necessarily for my race.

After 11 pages it's far too late to suddenly totally change the topic, I'd suggest a lock.

Forget this post.

Ok, I pulled myself together after last night's episode.
I know I've been doing it all wrong. So... I propose...
I make this a collaboration. I have the basic codex layout on publisher 2010. It just needs fluff. I did the army list absolutely ages ago. I will need to edit the army list according to the fluff we decide on.
Invited persons, you say?
blood reaper (yes, surprisingly. He has helped point out the holes in my current fluff, so it would be great if he could be on team and helped to edit them out.)
Trondheim (if you still want to... Of course, this applies to everyone on this list)
purplefood
TheCaptain
Makarov
The Obsidian King (I do believe he posted on a previous topic, not sure which. But he's nice, so he's in!)
Matapata98 (a trusted friend of mine. I've recently moved to the UAE. I'm gonna miss him )
Matsa13 (recently joined, also a fried from England)
The only way I'm ever going to give this race even the slightest chance of being published is if I have older, more experienced members who do know all the facts in 40k helping me. Sure, I have read the main pages of the 40k wiki, but some things aren't on there which you guys have said to me in previous topics.
I'll make it an article. That way anyone can edit it. Or I could make it friends only.
You don't need to help if you really don't want to, but I would be mega grateful if you did.
Kind regards,
Mynameisalie.

Anyone willing to take me up on the offer?
Hello? Anyone? Come on guys!

Mynameisalie wrote:Ok, I pulled myself together after last night's episode.
I know I've been doing it all wrong. So... I propose...
I make this a collaboration. I have the basic codex layout on publisher 2010. It just needs fluff. I did the army list absolutely ages ago. I will need to edit the army list according to the fluff we decide on.
Invited persons, you say?
blood reaper (yes, surprisingly. He has helped point out the holes in my current fluff, so it would be great if he could be on team and helped to edit them out.)
Trondheim (if you still want to... Of course, this applies to everyone on this list)
purplefood
TheCaptain
Makarov
The Obsidian King (I do believe he posted on a previous topic, not sure which. But he's nice, so he's in!)
Matapata98 (a trusted friend of mine. I've recently moved to the UAE. I'm gonna miss him )
The only way I'm ever going to give this race even the slightest chance of being published is if I have older, more experienced members who do know all the facts in 40k helping me. Sure, I have read the main pages of the 40k wiki, but some things aren't on there which you guys have said to me in previous topics.
I'll make it an article. That way anyone can edit it. Or I could make it friends only.
You don't need to help if you really don't want to, but I would be mega grateful if you did.
Kind regards,
Mynameisalie.

to be honest, i think its a pipedream that GW will publish your race in their universe. Sometimes they will acknowledge the input of players (for example, the ork "green kroosade" fluff from the Eye of Terror campaign a few years back was named from an ork player group of the same name who did rather well in the overall standings), and some players (i know some personally) get their names in the special thanks sections of the various codices for their input , but in terms of accepting your work on an entirely new race and making it an official part of the 40k lore? Im sorry mate, but that isnt going to happen - GW have enough trouble dealing with their own races. hundreds of thousands of people have sent in their stuff, and nothing has come out of it. thats reality mate. thats simply how it is. that said, this project is important to you. Im happy yo lend a hand, where possible, and help bring this race to life, even if its only in your head and your close friends, but you need to understand my POV on your races place in the universe (both in our reality, GW corporate reality, and the "reality" of the 40kiverse)

And by the way, one big help/suggestion is for you to go and read the 40k lore. the main pages on the 40k wiki isnt enough, if you ask me. read as much as you can. try an understand what the universe is, and what its underlying themes are. not for this project necessarily, but just because so much of the lore is really cool.

This thread is really something. I haven't been so amused in a long time. I feel my inner sadist breaking free.

Kid, I was like you once. I seriously recommend taking some time off, maybe even years, and looking at this again at a later point. You'll be sickened by what you've created. I guarantee it.

Which is hardly anything currently.
I scrapped all previous fluffs. I started again. And what I actually managed to put together was quite coherent. And mostly fits with the fluff. A few holes, yes, but I can't figure out how to plug them.
I have reasons for why they are the way they are.
Name? Ok, that was just the first thing that came into my head. It was mostly linked to their anatomy. Which was a feline biped, humanoid in stature, but cat-like in appearance. That was also the first thing that came into my head. That and no matter how hard I tried to think, there was no other form I could come up with that I thought wasn't a copy of another race I knew at the time.
Ok, I like psykers. So what? It makes them much harder to write, but the fluff I'm still trying to develop explains how they became psykers. Inn a strange way, yes, but it still manages to explain how they become psykers in a coherent manner.
Technology. Damn it, I love tech as well. They have tech, but the fluff I've written explains they have got most of it from the Tau, so most of the tech they have doesn't fit with the race. That sounds stupid, yes, but the Tau have no psykers whatsoever. They can't just "know" how to make tech for psykers, so the Lynx have had to develop some of their own.
Alliances. IoM? No way. They're xenos psykers that may (potentially) worship a benign daemon. A fething daemon. Before you say anything against that I have made a thread that has got me a lot of support for that possibility. Hence, the benign daemon acts as their goddess, the Artaich. She's a young daemon (or rather an angel) of Tzeentch, or another God I still haven't considered. Tzeentch is the one that is most likely to create a benign daemon, so he's just the one I picked. Which explains the Lynx's psychic powers. They get them from a daemon of Tzeentch!
I strayed off the alliances. As I have made it clear, they are allied with the Tau, and have shaky relationships with the Eldar, who they met when they stepped through a Warp Portal/Webway Gate at the centre of their planet. No other races have really even seen them.
That's most of the explanation done. Some things I am still mulling over in my head. So I'm not asking for patronisation on what I haven't written. That's actually what I have been getting. I have got a half-formed fluff; it's not finished; it's going to have holes in it.
If I sound aggressive, I don't mean to. If I sound harsh, I don't mean to, OK? I have a bit of a temper problem, which causes a lot of what I say to sound as if I want to hit something. My friends back in England can attest to that.
That's is quite possibly that longest post I have ever made.

Benign demons are totally possible, demons are just manifestation of emotion in the warp. Benign demons of Tzeentch however are not really possible, Tzeentch is an donkey-cave.

My suggestion would be to get into DnD, you seem to be be a very creative young person so a setting with more flexible rules with more emphasis on creating a story would probably suit you better.

Corpsesarefun wrote:Benign demons are totally possible, demons are just manifestation of emotion in the warp. Benign demons of Tzeentch however are not really possible, Tzeentch is an donkey-cave.

My suggestion would be to get into DnD, you seem to be be a very creative young person so a setting with more flexible rules with more emphasis on creating a story would probably suit you better.

Already done something like that. The book is called dungeoneer. It's a multiplayer version of Fighting Fantasy, I think.
I have let my entire imagination off the leash for that. The story I wrote, when I read it back to myself, my head very nearly exploded. I don't mean to brag or anything, it's just I found it totally annd utterly amazing.
No joke.
I have an insanely huge imagination. It's bigger than the Milky Way, I'll give you that. But that's the thing, isn't it? Imagination is one of the greatest gifts of mankind. It's just lucky I got the lion's share
Tzeentch is an donkey-cave. But still, I like psychic powers, and the daemon of Tzeentch thing explains the psychic talent a bit better than any other theory I have come up with.
And anyone who ever wants to write a story or any piece of fluff, I recommend following these tips:
Open this link:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCEAD7F4AE1961A8B&feature=mh_lolz
Click on play all. Shuffle.
Write.
4 steps is all it takes. I write everything to this. I know what I write for 40k sucks, but seriously, the gak I put together on that playlist works wonders.

Psychic powers don't have to be Tzeentchian, they just normally are. In the somewhat disused Sensei fluff there are psychic abilities that draw power from the warp presence of the Emperor, so it would follow that a strongly psychic benign race could create a very minor (greater demon level) warp god.

And just a helpful hint, never describe your own work as amazing, ever.

Hold on a sec, you're saying my race should gain their power from the Emperor?
That would be pretty cool.
And, yeah sorry. I have a tendency to just let myself go when I write, so it's not me writing. I'm just watching the story come to life. My fingers have minds of their own. Ever had a feeling like that? It's better than anything you can ever imagine.

No damnit! The Emperor also dislikes xenos.

What I'm saying is that while a benign warp power source is possible, a chaos god acting benign isn't.

Sorry, I didn't fully understand what you meant.
What I was trying to say earlier, is that the Lord Of Change is cut off from Tzeentch; the crystal is a containment unit for the daemon. It will never escape. Tzeentch can't get into the crystal either. How the daemon got there I'm still trying to figure out. But, when the Lynx began worshipping the crystal, the positive emotion (hope, faith etc) inverted the daemon; it is ow the Lynx's goddess.

Again, it would be much easier to just go the traditional route and have the god be a warp reflection of the race...

Before creating Slaanesh the Eldar created a dozen lesser gods (Khaine, Isha, Vaul, etc) that served as their pantheon, the Orks have Gork and Mork, the Imperium has the Emperor.

Ok, yeah sure.
I still think the daemon thing would add more depth. However, having the deity trapped inside the crystal anyway would be quite ominous; a crystal not native to the galaxy, containing a deity of untold power, and unknown intent...

The daemon thing wouldn't make sense.
They do not change nature.
They do no 'invert'.
In fact it's more likely that would corrupt the entire race if they were worshiping it while it was trapped in the crystal...
Say it's a warp entity they have worshiped since the dawn of their race and now it's powerful in the warp to the point where it can shield the psykers of your race provided they bond to the crystal via an imprinting.
An imprinting is where the psyker in question remains by the crystal for days at a time focusing on becoming one with the entity inside until they share a common consciousnesses. This eventually fades for all but the most powerful psykers (I'm talking like 1 in a trillion).
What is left is a slightly weakened but controllable and safer psychic ability to be used in combat or for more mundane uses.
The creature inside the crystal only communicates with the highest in the order of whoever is looking after it (Priests priestesses etc) and they are in charge of the spiritual guidance of the race and act as advisers to the race's leaders.
It's origins and intentions are as of yet unknown to all but those who remain in contact with its consciousness.

As for rules, counts as eldar would work REALLY well.

You could have an avatar of this god using the rules of an avatar of khaine for example.

Counts as Eldar mostly, but there are a few unique things I've already kitted them out with.

In fact, a LOT of unique things.

Double post.

purplefood wrote:The daemon thing wouldn't make sense.
They do not change nature.
They do no 'invert'.
In fact it's more likely that would corrupt the entire race if they were worshiping it while it was trapped in the crystal...
Say it's a warp entity they have worshiped since the dawn of their race and now it's powerful in the warp to the point where it can shield the psykers of your race provided they bond to the crystal via an imprinting.
An imprinting is where the psyker in question remains by the crystal for days at a time focusing on becoming one with the entity inside until they share a common consciousnesses. This eventually fades for all but the most powerful psykers (I'm talking like 1 in a trillion).
What is left is a slightly weakened but controllable and safer psychic ability to be used in combat or for more mundane uses.
The creature inside the crystal only communicates with the highest in the order of whoever is looking after it (Priests priestesses etc) and they are in charge of the spiritual guidance of the race and act as advisers to the race's leaders.
It's origins and intentions are as of yet unknown to all but those who remain in contact with its consciousness.

May I use that?

That's why i posted it.

Mynameisalie wrote:In fact, a LOT of unique things.

Like what?

Their entire army layout, for one. Unfortunately, I lost the digital copy of the army list. I had a lot of stuff on it too. Most of the wargear, psychic powers etc is another. All on the digital copy.

purplefood wrote:That's why i posted it.

But she can assume a physical form for a very limited time. Only a few seconds, most of the time, but sometimes up to an hour.

Mynameisalie wrote:

purplefood wrote:That's why i posted it.

But she can assume a physical form for a very limited time. Only a few seconds, most of the time, but sometimes up to an hour.

Lets not.
Because having a god appear in the material realm is gonna just be silly.
If you want an avatar-esque creature then just say it can project its will through a willing recipient but it needs to have a strong connection to them in the first place, so it must be a strong psyker who had a strong connection during the imprinting ceremony and after they have been possessed as it were the psyker is totally disconnected from the warp. No connection at all.
Some go on to be regular fighters or commanders, other return home to live a regular life, others join the Order and help guide their species.