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OMFG the Imperium really is screwed. Really, really, really (x100) screwed. To hell. That badly. How are humans even surviving the age they're in?!?!

Mynameisalie wrote:OMFG the Imperium really is screwed. If this is what to become of humans in the future, nuke ourselves now before it happens and spare us all the stupid things we do to ourselves.

Wat da faq....

I have no idea what you've just said.

blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:OMFG the Imperium really is screwed. If this is what to become of humans in the future, nuke ourselves now before it happens and spare us all the stupid things we do to ourselves.

Wat da faq....

I have no idea what you've just said.

I just read timeline of the Milky Way on the 40k wiki. It's absolutely ridiculously awesome and at the same time, ridiculous. If you know what I mean.

Mynameisalie wrote:OMFG the Imperium really is screwed. Really, really, really (x100) screwed. To hell. That badly. How are humans even surviving the age they're in?!?!

Ze frakk? Care to enligthen us?

read my reply to Blood Reaper. The you'll see what I'm getting at.
Emperor is possibly dying cause his fething Golden Throne is malfunctioning, the IoM is literally being ground into paste by every other fething race in the galaxy, and to top it off, the chaos gods have now decided they want to do playtoy with the material realm and are tryig to smash their way out of the Warp.

You must have posted before while I was typing

Mynameisalie wrote:read my reply to Blood Reaper. The you'll see what I'm getting at.
Emperor is possibly dying cause his fething Golden Throne is malfunctioning, the IoM is literally being ground into paste by every other fething race in the galaxy, and to top it off, the chaos gods have now decided they want to do playtoy with the material realm and are tryig to smash their way out of the Warp.

welcome to Warhammer 40,000!

keep reading.

Mynameisalie wrote:read my reply to Blood Reaper. The you'll see what I'm getting at.
Emperor is possibly dying cause his fething Golden Throne is malfunctioning, the IoM is literally being ground into paste by every other fething race in the galaxy, and to top it off, the chaos gods have now decided they want to do playtoy with the material realm and are tryig to smash their way out of the Warp.

Another reason why your race should in no way be in their situation, at least have a WAAGH or two entering your home world, or at least a Tyranid splinter fleet.

Mynameisalie wrote:read my reply to Blood Reaper. The you'll see what I'm getting at.
Emperor is possibly dying cause his fething Golden Throne is malfunctioning, the IoM is literally being ground into paste by every other fething race in the galaxy, and to top it off, the chaos gods have now decided they want to do playtoy with the material realm and are tryig to smash their way out of the Warp.

So it appears you've read the most basic part of the setting's fluff. No offense, but that's the most standard pieces of information you'll ever get. I would really suggest delving much deeper into the fluff before making the attempt writing your own. If this is surprising you now, honestly, either you never opened a piece of 40k background information, or... yeah that's about the only option.

That's also probably what's hurting your own fluff (and why we keep pointing out its flaws), the less you know about the pre-existing setting the higher the odds of our finding fluffy impossibilities, copies of other races, and general massive flaws rises. Exponentially.

(and as an aside, the reason people keep focusing on the fluff, and not the rules, is because this is in Dakka Fiction and the original topic was concerning the fluff. You decided to change to rules and demanded we all must follow suit)

I am glad you toned back the fluff a bit, and are now actually doing some research. However, I would also like to point out that going to a large group of strangers (many of whom are much older and more experienced than you) and demanding delicately-worded praises will never work. Especially on the Internet. Most of us don't care that you don't want to listen to blunt criticism (which, while blunt, doesn't mean it's not constructive. Constructive criticism can still be very harsh) and will not pull their punches. Expecting otherwise is unrealistic. Delicate criticism thus far has been seen as total support, so more and more of us turn to bluntly stating our views. Opening up your work to critique will always mean it can be met harshly, and demanding we not be blunt to preserve your delicate sensibilities is honestly pretty immature and naive.

If you wanted to stick with the Warp Storm fluff, Segmentum Ultima is your best bet, because the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath is located there. It's also the entire eastern side of the Milky Way, making it a *really* big region of space. Warp Storms can be much more localized affairs, though, so you could set your worlds anywhere. The Halo Stars or the Ghoul Stars are nice, though the Ghoul Stars are supposedly filled with all manner of Lovecraftian horrors and dead stars.

Remember that, while the Imperium lays claim to the entire galaxy, they don't control even half of it. Every Imperial system is separated by vast gulfs of space that may have never been visited by Humankind. Even between two relative "neighbors", there can be an entire Xeno Empire that, because of vagaries of the Warp, have no stable Warp routes leading in or out. These Xenos may be quite advanced, but lack the means to leave their cluster of star systems, and may be entirely ignorant of the rest of the galaxy.

The Imperium of Man lays claim to a million worlds. Each of these worlds is an island adrift in a sea of darkness. Most of these worlds know how to get to the next Imperial world, but they do not know anything about what lies off the beaten path between worlds. In the vast reaches of interstellar space are all manner of threats, some of which are predators, and hunt Mankind, others exist in complete ignorance of the wider galaxy.

Elector wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:read my reply to Blood Reaper. The you'll see what I'm getting at.
Emperor is possibly dying cause his fething Golden Throne is malfunctioning, the IoM is literally being ground into paste by every other fething race in the galaxy, and to top it off, the chaos gods have now decided they want to do playtoy with the material realm and are tryig to smash their way out of the Warp.

So it appears you've read the most basic part of the setting's fluff. No offense, but that's the most standard pieces of information you'll ever get. I would really suggest delving much deeper into the fluff before making the attempt writing your own. If this is surprising you now, honestly, either you never opened a piece of 40k background information, or... yeah that's about the only option.

That's also probably what's hurting your own fluff (and why we keep pointing out its flaws), the less you know about the pre-existing setting the higher the odds of our finding fluffy impossibilities, copies of other races, and general massive flaws rises. Exponentially.

(and as an aside, the reason people keep focusing on the fluff, and not the rules, is because this is in Dakka Fiction and the original topic was concerning the fluff. You decided to change to rules and demanded we all must follow suit)

I am glad you toned back the fluff a bit, and are now actually doing some research. However, I would also like to point out that going to a large group of strangers (many of whom are much older and more experienced than you) and demanding delicately-worded praises will never work. Especially on the Internet. Most of us don't care that you don't want to listen to blunt criticism (which, while blunt, doesn't mean it's not constructive. Constructive criticism can still be very harsh) and will not pull their punches. Expecting otherwise is unrealistic. Delicate criticism thus far has been seen as total support, so more and more of us turn to bluntly stating our views. Opening up your work to critique will always mean it can be met harshly, and demanding we not be blunt to preserve your delicate sensibilities is honestly pretty immature and naive.

I've read most of the timeline of 40k. And some of the planets section on the wiki.
Wow. They Lynx are quite similar to the Eldar.
Anyway, back to the point. Regarding the origins of their psychic power, could they have been created by the Old Ones, or gained it through contact with and Animatrix Crystal? Or something different? Cause most races just spontaneously birth psykers at random times, but the Lynx could gain the ability in an unusual way. That would make them a bit more unique, wouldn't it? And, as far as I understand, it fits with the fluff...

Having a race of psykers could fit with the fluff.
Not having them plagued with daemons or enslavers doesn't...
This planet would be easy for daemons to find and a single weak point could doom the entire planet...

Is that a criticism or an idea for the fluff for the Lynx?

Looool no way this thread is still going.

Yep. Still is. I've torn down the previous fluff I had. Starting again. So far I've got:
Their origin is the Ghost Stars in the Ultima Segmentum. The Lynx used to be non-psykers, relying on their pure agility, intelligence and stealth to expand and survive. Their small scale empire was decimated by furious Warp Storms after a large crystal of unknown origin smashed into a nearby planet. When the Lynx went to investigate, they found a previously dead planet completely and utterly terraformed into a verdant paradise. What was even stranger is that the planet looked like it had been speared by a huge lance of florescent, turquoise crystal, (I'll try and get a picture of that), and it resonated with psychic energy. When a scout party was sent to investigate, they were captured by sheer awe, and (foolishly) tried to bring back some of the fabled crystal for use. This immediately caused an immense change in the Lynx's main DNA structure, giving them innate psychic talents equivalent to that of beta level psykers. Unfortunately, this psychic flare up tore open several portals to the Warp, resulting in a series of Warp storms (mentioned earlier) that cleansed almost all the planets the Lynx had inhabited of life, and cut off the planet the Lynx had just found from all external contact.

See now it just sounds like a super hero origin story...
Why do they all have to be super psychic?

Cause I like psychic. : )

Well that's all well and good but it makes things a lot harder...
I suppose you like cat people as well?

You have a problem with that?
Not cat people as in either manga or anime respect.It's more of a big cat standing up on two legs sort of thing. Plus, it was the first thing that came into my head. It stuck. The name came shortly after.
And I have come up with the next part.
After the remaining Lynx living on the new planet overcame their shock, they began to experiment with their new found potential. Of course, the first demonstrations consisted of little more than psychic fireworks and simple levitation tricks. (If you are a psyker, you can do practically anything. You can use the Warp to alter things that happen in the material universe, right? Therefore, a Lynx could easily think about heating objects by shaking the atoms around it, thereby setting it on fire). But these practices slowly escalated in frequency and power, until on one occasion a Lynx simply exploded whilst trying to twist a huge firestorm into rather interesting shapes. Nearby Lynx then collapsed into fits of agony, seemingly going insane from the death of a fellow Lynx.

Not particularly, it was supposed to be a small joke.
At any rate you should consider not making them all super psychic. They can all be latent psychic or psychic sensitive with some individuals being more powerful than others but having them all super psychic is a bit silly.

It's like Grey Knights++

purplefood wrote:Not particularly, it was supposed to be a small joke.
At any rate you should consider not making them all super psychic. They can all be latent psychic or psychic sensitive with some individuals being more powerful than others but having them all super psychic is a bit silly.

They're beta level psykers truly, but deliberately restrict themselves. See the edit. They're more equivalent to low-level delta psykers in the way they use their powers. It's a failsafe.
Deepsykers are beta level
Focuspsykers (quite rare) are alpha level
Hellpsykers (extremely rare) are alpha plus level.
High priestess Meldamiriel (Amber, in English) is somewhere around Alpha plus. She freaking tears open small warp portals and summons a massive bast of Warp energy out of it. Then early kills herself doing it. That's how much power they drain. Lynx do vary quite a bit in power levels, but the most powerful are a match for GK librarians.
The Emperor, as I understand it, is somewhere around alpha plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus.

Mynameisalie wrote:

purplefood wrote:Not particularly, it was supposed to be a small joke.
At any rate you should consider not making them all super psychic. They can all be latent psychic or psychic sensitive with some individuals being more powerful than others but having them all super psychic is a bit silly.

They're beta level psykers truly, but deliberately restrict themselves. See the edit. They're more equivalent to low-level delta psykers in the way they use their powers. It's a failsafe.
Deepsykers are beta level
Focuspsykers (quite rare) are alpha level
Hellpsykers (extremely rare) are alpha plus level.
High priestess Meldamiriel (Amber, in English) is somewhere around Alpha plus.
The Emperor, as I understand it, is somewhere around alpha plus plus plus plus plus plus plus plus.

An alpha psyker could lay waste to an entire continent with ease...
Saying they deliberately restrict themselves does not make it better...
That's like saying "My Imperial Guardsmen are invincible but allow themselves to die so their enemies don't get their feelings hurt"

No they have to restrict themselves or risk obliterating themselves, their friends, and everything else in about a 2k radius.
Like I said, they're deliberately restricted to using 2 level lower powers.
And the psyker level tend to be exaggerated a bit in actual power. Alpha psykers can control a few hundred people, but can't blow up a Titan wit the flick of their wrist. They're really over exaggerated by what they can actually do. A Lynx alpha psyker, at their best, could unleash a firestorm of around 2000C and sear everything in front of them. Then they'd probably explode from a power surge.

So why are you saying they're alpha level if they aren't?
Incidentally if they can't control a beta level psyker (Who apparently isn't beta level) how can they control an alpha level psyker (who apparently isn't an alpha level psyker either)?

Again, the cracks are filled by the same type of argument.

How are they achieving this power restriction? The Eldar use runes, spirit stones and Ghosthelms to test the waters (essentially see if it's safe to cast their power) and automatically cut themselves off from the warp if the gak hits the fan; they have to make an effort to slip up thanks to these failsafes.

The Lynx, apparently, have no method of controlling it, and 'because they can' or an equally laughable excuse will not cut it. If the Eldar, amongst the most powerful psykers in the Universe, need so many ways of ensuring that they don't go overboard, how can another race just sit there and do it?

They don't use their full power deliberately. The can't control their maximum power, and part of their beliefs is that they will only gain true control over their powers if they do so naturally, without any external shut off. Over time, they have learnt how to limit themselves to a lower power level naturally, like all psykers should. If an Eldar were to take off their ghost helm or a Primaris psyker their implants, then next time they try to use their powers they would probably die in some horrific way. The Lynx restrict themselves naturally, and gradually creep up to their full potential, which hardly and Lynx do as they kill themselves long before that, or are killed anyway. So whilst they are high level psykers, they deliberately try not to overstretch what their minds/bodies can take. After enough exposure to the Warp, a Lynx will slowly begin to escalate in psychic prowess. But this takes a very long time.
Unlike a lot of other psykers, they are tied directly to their crystals, which are essentially massive Warp plugholes which drain a hell of a lot of psychic energy. This is channelled directly to the Lynx. However, they get far more than they should do. So they have had to learn, through several calming techniques and safe gauges, how to restrict themselves to letting off only about half of it at a time.

You're avoiding the question; how is it that the Lynx can learn to control their power whereas the Eldar, who have existed far longer than all but the Daemons and the Necrons (we know this because they fought the War in Heaven against the C'Tan, and the Necrons cleansed the Galaxy of all life during their reign), still rely on runes and other things to control theirs?

EDIT: You edited as I was typing: 'claming techniques' is one of the laughable excuses I was talking about; that is not going to fly. If meditation was a way of controlling power then the Eldar would not be in their current position. As for 'safe gauges', care to explain what is at first glance an exceedingly vague and generic justification?

Avatar 720 wrote:How are they achieving this power restriction? The Eldar use runes, spirit stones and Ghosthelms to test the waters (essentially see if it's safe to cast their power) and automatically cut themselves off from the warp if the gak hits the fan; they have to make an effort to slip up thanks to these failsafes.

The Lynx, apparently, have no method of controlling it, and 'because they can' or an equally laughable excuse will not cut it. If the Eldar, amongst the most powerful psykers in the Universe, need so many ways of ensuring that they don't go overboard, how can another race just sit there and do it?

To test the waters, to see how far their powers go, essentially.
They had to learn pretty quick when they realised they could unintentionally commit suicide when just wanting to impress their friends. That and the jewellery they wear gives them a little more control over their powers than an ordinary psyker. They know their bounds already.
Ok, you want me to answer the question directly? I'll try my best. Whilst they are very powerful, they have learned to "bleed" energy back into their crystals. This allows them to control how much psychic energy they have at any given time. So, using this technique, they can "bleed" half their maximum storage, if you will, back into a crystal, and siphon off the rest as psychic power. Younger Lynx will have a lower tolerance than the older Lynx, and so have to bleed off more to keep them from exploding when the siphon off the rest.
Besides, about 50% of all the siphoned off energy goes directly to personal psychic shields. So in truth, Lynx are only using about 25% of their maximum capacity when casting psychic powers.
That's the best I can do.
And my race, so far, fits with the fluff. I actually have read the timeline, and psykers, and the Warp etc. The Lynx fit. And why have we now resorted to squabbling about their powers?