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**Mynameisalie**

blood reaper wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:
blood reaper wrote:I don't want to, well, you seem to imply 'gak' on your threads, it would just add to the pile. Anyways, you refuse to take criticism unless it barely effects your semi-perfect race.

Exactly what I mean.
If you have any suggestions besides the usual "it's really, really bad, absolutely everything needs to be changed, they're just copied etc etc" then give them. You aren't suggesting anything other than "change the entire race". If you have any suggestions on how to change things on top of the existing base flow of he race, make them.

Impossible.

Honestly, that or just improbable.

Improbable.
But there again, my point is proven. Not everyone thinks this race needs a complete and utter makeover. Read through some other posts. And if you have no suggestions, don't reply, as your mundane comments are beginning to annoy me.

**Mynameisalie**

matapata98 wrote:
blood reaper wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:
blood reaper wrote:I don't want to, well, you seem to imply 'gak' on your threads, it would just add to the pile. Anyways, you refuse to take criticism unless it barely effects your semi-perfect race.

Exactly what I mean.
If you have any suggestions besides the usual "it's really, really bad, absolutely everything needs to be changed, they're just copied etc etc" then give them. You aren't suggesting anything other than "change the entire race". If you have any suggestions on how to change things on top of the existing base flow of he race, make them.

Impossible.

Honestly, that or just improbable.

you just really have to learn to take CC

and the CC that's coming from blood reaper is...
absolutely nothing. He hasn't made any contribution at all.

**Trondheim**

Mynameisalie wrote:Advanced the fluff a little more. Tech section is complete. Now there's just, erm... How their army works and a rounding-off to this section:

The Lynx are the most mysterious and secretive of all the races discovered by the Imperium so far. They resemble furry humanoids, with reflective eyes, pointed ears and a long, prehensile tail. They are lithe and fragile beings, but psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race.

Lynx are powerful psykers, able to manipulate the material universe to their whim with a simple mental stimulus. Though this psychic power is as much a hindrance as a help. Due to the massive amounts of energy a Lynx consumes form their own metabolism to be able to use their powers, a Lynx deprived of energy which they drain from their sacred crystals will eventually wither and die. Though this is dangerous enough in its own right, the power itself is sometimes too much to handle. Those who show even a momentary lapse in concentration will be slain mercilessly by their own power in horrific and gory ways. Yet it is not just the psyker that suffers; the psychic turbulence is an extreme danger to his or her companions. The disruption created by the overload of power causes a feedback loop in nearby Lynx, inflicting extreme pain and loss of consciousness, if not death.

Psychic tendencies aside, the Lynx have a array of technology that even the Magi of Mars would be jealous of. Their crystals are used in a wide variety of their technology, from weapons to armour to entire skeletal transplants. How they achieve the latter is confusing even for the Eldar or Tau, but it seems commonplace in the more psychically gifted Lynx. They have even discovered some valuable relics from the Dark Age of Technology, which they sell to rogue traders in exchange for materials and information. Amongst these are the Standard Template Construct for the fabled Executioner pattern Leman Russ, vortex warheads for the destructive Deathstrike Missile Launchers and several pieces of curious dimension rift technology.
Feel free to suggest an alternative to the last sentence.

As I mentioned earlyer in my PM to you, you really, really need to make this creation of yours somewhat less insanely demigodish, the Imperium is VERY protective about STC related things. And particular if Xenos are involved, and as regarding your somewhat less than belivibal explenation for you rather blatent copy of a Eldar avatar I have notting good to say. People will always react harsly when someone creates things like this, and for heavens sake learn to respond to constructive crritique

**Mynameisalie**

Trondheim wrote:
Mynameisalie wrote:Advanced the fluff a little more. Tech section is complete. Now there's just, erm... How their army works and a rounding-off to this section:

The Lynx are the most mysterious and secretive of all the races discovered by the Imperium so far. They resemble furry humanoids, with reflective eyes, pointed ears and a long, prehensile tail. They are lithe and fragile beings, but psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race.

Lynx are powerful psykers, able to manipulate the material universe to their whim with a simple mental stimulus. Though this psychic power is as much a hindrance as a help. Due to the massive amounts of energy a Lynx consumes form their own metabolism to be able to use their powers, a Lynx deprived of energy which they drain from their sacred crystals will eventually wither and die. Though this is dangerous enough in its own right, the power itself is sometimes too much to handle. Those who show even a momentary lapse in concentration will be slain mercilessly by their own power in horrific and gory ways. Yet it is not just the psyker that suffers; the psychic turbulence is an extreme danger to his or her companions. The disruption created by the overload of power causes a feedback loop in nearby Lynx, inflicting extreme pain and loss of consciousness, if not death.

Psychic tendencies aside, the Lynx have a array of technology that even the Magi of Mars would be jealous of. Their crystals are used in a wide variety of their technology, from weapons to armour to entire skeletal transplants. How they achieve the latter is confusing even for the Eldar or Tau, but it seems commonplace in the more psychically gifted Lynx. They have even discovered some valuable relics from the Dark Age of Technology, which they sell to rogue traders in exchange for materials and information. Amongst these are the Standard Template Construct for the fabled Executioner pattern Leman Russ, vortex warheads for the destructive Deathstrike Missile Launchers and several pieces of curious dimension rift technology.
Feel free to suggest an alternative to the last sentence.

As I mentioned earlyer in my PM to you, you really, really need to make this creation of yours somewhat less insanely demigodish, the Imperium is VERY protective about STC related things. And particular if Xenos are involved, and as regarding your somewhat less than belivibal explenation for you rather blatent copy of a Eldar avatar I have notting good to say. People will always react harsly when someone creates things like this, and for heavens sake learn to respond to constructive crritique

This is my point: has blood reaper made any proper critique?
I have nerfed them in almost every way I can think of. =(
I try to please. Really I do. The Eldar avatar thing? It's not a direct copy at all. Or even an indirect one. I didn't even know about Avatars when I created God Constructs. Ok, I will remove the STC thing, but the Lynx do find rare relics sometimes. It's going to happen. Eventually. And they have been there before the Great Crusades.
Then what do you guys suggest? That I utterly, utterly scrap the idea and never go back to it again? Cause that's where it's going, again.

**Trondheim**

I was refering to other posters. I expected you would realise that seeing how not all who post here re helpful. When you post such things on Dakka be prepared to recive ALOT of flakk, People do take offense when furry humanoids with rather immense psyichic powers are mentioned. I for one never liked your idea that they had been around since before the great crusade, the first rule when creating fluff is to not break already establised and agreed upon background story. This army would fit much better with the Tau, and as for your Avatar explenation well I am not going to pursue the mather futher if you really did not know about it.

And if you give them stats that rivals some of the most powerfull units in the eniter game people will react, granted yu have moddified them and that is great. But I would recomend that you use a already publised codex. That way you can pick the one that resembels your army the most, and you dont step on anybodys toes.

**Drakmord**

why is it inevitable that they're going to find old imperial tech? why? WHY?

seriously! WHY?

that isn't something that just happens. relics aren't just "found," otherwise they aren't relics.

really, the Imperial angle needs to be thrown out. if you want to have relations with any current group, it should be the Tau, because:

1. they have no psykers, which is a niche the Lynx could fill;

2. they don't have high-profile CC units, which is another niche the Lynx could fill.

people have brought this up before, and they even brought it up here, and i'm going to bring it up, too.

and blood reaper has offered you the most honest and frank advice you could possibly get out of these threads -- essentially what everyone else has been saying, but much more direct. your idea needs work, months or years of work, before it will be even close to done.

**Trondheim**

I support the notion that Drakmord brings up, Angels must sadly die of and a better form take their place. I strongly suggest you either start lisening to people or stop posting this. Sorry to come accros as rather harsh but once again you force our hands,

**Psienesis**

It would really, really do you a lot of good to hit up Lexicanum or the 40K wiki and read up on *all* the other factions of the 40K universe, as well as their unique (or near-unique) troop types, fighting styles and so on and so forth.

This is called "research", and every writer, game designer, GM, RPG Referee, and TO should do this before putting pen to paper.

Not only will it help you familiarize yourself with how the various factions in 40K work, both in their fluff and on the tabletop, but also let you get a better picture of where in the cosmos your Xeno will fit. There's no races of god-like power that aren't in some way *seriously* crippled. The C'Tan are the closest thing to gods the battlefield will see... and they've all been shattered into thousands of shards and kept prisoner in necrodermis shells.

A psychic army that is shooty with a few solid CC troops? That's almost an Eldar counts-as. That's fine, because that gives you a good place to start with unit types, stats, and similar roles on the battlefield. That's not to say that your Lynx need to be identical to the Eldar, but it's as good a source as any to draw inspiration and direction from.

**LoneLictor**

Why do your xenos need to be allied with the Imperium? I mean, they could still be the kraaazy kat people you want them to be even if they're not.

**Mynameisalie**

Nonononono! You guys don't get it! I scrapped the allied with IoM idea when psienesis (extremely helpfully) made a fluff for the Lynx that involved the Tau and Eldar!
And regarding the god-like thing, I toned them back. quite a bit. Who saw the basic troop post? Y'know where I suggested base stats for my basic troop choice.
And the Lynx are older than humanity. How do I explain:
a. They've evolved and made all this fantastic technology (which the Tau have helped them build) in under 10,000 years.
b. ?
c. That's all I can think of.
blood reaper has been saying "screw your race, cause i's worse than any other thing I have see on Earth". I find that quite harsh. I am a sensitive person; I don't like to be criticized very bluntly. I prefer it to be in a more delicate way. Don't get me wrong, blood reaper can have the idea that Lynx really do need to be scrapped and made from scratch, it's just I've had this idea for about... 18 months now, and I literally plucked up enough courage to actually propose this army to a Warhammer 40k community to get some feedback only about a week ago. I knew they weren't perfect. That's why I posted about them. So I could get improvements. But I didn't expect nearly everyone to come at me guns blazing yelling "NO NO NO!". I was expecting more like: "It's OK, but needs a bit more work".
That's all I have to say currently.

**purplefood**

Tau are 2000 years old...
I'm sorry you didn't receive the response you expected.

**Mynameisalie**

It's ok. I just didn't expect everyone to be against it. I knew some people would. I didn't think everyone would be...
The tau used to be stone age, didn't they? Then they all tried to kill each other, but the Ethereals the arrived, halted the warring factions and brought peace to the Tau through the notion of "The Greater Good". The tau then went through an age of technology and by the time the Imperial fleet got back, they saw worlds of tech, not cavemen throwing rocks at each other.
I think that's how it goes, doesn't it?
And honestly, "The Greater Good" thing is probably the right idea for all the races in the Milky Way. The Tau are just going about it the wrong way. Instead of making humanity subservient, they should treat them as equals.
And if the races of the galaxy don't buck up their ideas and make an alliance to kick the 'nids out, the Milky Way hasn't got much time left.
Focus on the Tyranids, Numbskulls! Or you're going to get stomped so hard...

**purplefood**

The Galaxy is too busy tearing itself apart...
That's why a race with a single world is fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things...
Unless you've changed that as well...
I never know what's going on with this...

**Mynameisalie**

No, I'm not changing anything about that part of the fluff. I'm just saying the galaxy really does need to buck up its ideas.
Besides that, I believe I now have a semi solid fluff. I've corrected a lot of it. No more allies with the IoM, now with Tau and Eldar instead. So...
What else do I need to fill in? I don't know what to do now.

**Mynameisalie**

And why have all my buttons disappeared? I can't exalt, friend, ignore, quote, edit etc

**Boggy79**

Just let it die....

Seriously I sat and read through both of your threads about the Lynx and you've had more help and guidance than you realisitcally should have got.

Please look up the definition of Constructive Criticism. It doesn't say 'agree with everything I say in a nice way'. The bits of your fluff that you are so dead set on not changing are the bits that need work.

As others have mentioned, read up on 40k history and find a niche to fit into. You can't just shoehorn any idea into any world. Every universe or world has to have its own rules and boundaries to restrict itself or every soldier would be superpowered, every race immortal or you could invent killer blocks of invisible cheese.

On a positive side you have enthusiasm and creativity. You definitely have passion. Learn to take the hits on the chin, learn to listen and digest.

Good luck in life...........

**Mynameisalie**

Yeah it's cause I mention sending a codex to GW and everyone goes nuts...

**Mynameisalie**

Psychic tendencies aside, the Lynx have a array of technology that even the Magi of Mars would be jealous of. Their crystals are used in a wide variety of their technology, from weapons to armour to entire skeletal transplants. How they achieve the latter is confusing even for the Eldar or Tau, but it seems commonplace in the more psychically gifted Lynx. Many lower caste Lynx instead have minor transplants and addition, the most common being a simple transfusion of crystal to the forearm. In combat these can effectively grow small spines out of the user’s forearm that shred through most known materials.

Despite their miniscule numbers the Lynx are a fearsome force to be reckoned with in combat. They will attack with stealth, guile, technologically superior forces and a variety of psychic fireworks that will decimate enemy forces with seemingly contemptuous ease. They function in battle as a whole, but also individually. The higher members of the force will give the orders, but how the lower warriors accomplish it is up to their sergeant. Similarly, even the lowest Lynx will show initiative and the ability to think on their feet, lest they find themselves without a commander.

Second half of the fluff, just thought I'd put it up in case this thread gets shut down... If anyone just wants to round that off... Go ahead... it seems as if no-one would want to play my race besides me and my friends anyway...

**Boggy79**

So far they seem to have too many strengths and poorly defined weaknesses.

Please don't take this the wrong way but much of what you've put forward comes across as 'wow wouldn't it be cool if they could do this....' even if it doesn't fit within the race.

You're young and haven't had much life experience yet. For those older gits such as myself it's clear to see. I'm sure 90% of the people who you believe are shooting you down were just the same when they were your age; I sure as hell know I was.

Put down everything you have on separate sheets. Strengths on one, weaknesses on another; history, reasons why they do what they do, alliances and reasons for them. Carefully breakdown each one and see if they contradict another and strip out those that do.

I can't offer anymore than that.....see ya!

**Mynameisalie**

I'll do that! Thanks!

**Trondheim**

Mynameisalie wrote:Nonononono! You guys don't get it! I scrapped the allied with IoM idea when psienesis (extremely helpfully) made a fluff for the Lynx that involved the Tau and Eldar!
And regarding the god-like thing, I toned them back. quite a bit. Who saw the basic troop post? Y'know where I suggested base stats for my basic troop choice.
And the Lynx are older than humanity. How do I explain:
a. They've evolved and made all this fantastic technology (which the Tau have helped them build) in under 10,000 years.
b. ?
c. That's all I can think of.
blood reaper has been saying "screw your race, cause i's worse than any other thing I have see on Earth". I find that quite harsh. I am a sensitive person; I don't like to be criticized very bluntly. I prefer it to be in a more delicate way. Don't get me wrong, blood reaper can have the idea that Lynx really do need to be scrapped and made from scratch, it's just I've had this idea for about... 18 months now, and I literally plucked up enough courage to actually propose this army to a Warhammer 40k community to get some feedback only about a week ago. I knew they weren't perfect. That's why I posted about them. So I could get improvements. But I didn't expect nearly everyone to come at me guns blazing yelling "NO NO NO!". I was expecting more like: "It's OK, but needs a bit more work".
That's all I have to say currently.

Once again you amaze with your sheer lack of knowledge of 40k, or a massive amount of ignorace. First rule for making good and most belivebal fluff is that you know the universe it is set in. You have at no point done so, I strongly recomend that you do some major reading and then as others have pointed out, go true your fluff on separte documents. And why everyone disagree with you should be rather obvious

Mynameisalie wrote:It's ok. I just didn't expect everyone to be against it. I knew some people would. I didn't think everyone would be...
The tau used to be stone age, didn't they? Then they all tried to kill each other, but the Ethereals the arrived, halted the warring factions and brought peace to the Tau through the notion of "The Greater Good". The tau then went through an age of technology and by the time the Imperial fleet got back, they saw worlds of tech, not cavemen throwing rocks at each other.
I think that's how it goes, doesn't it?
And honestly, "The Greater Good" thing is probably the right idea for all the races in the Milky Way. The Tau are just going about it the wrong way. Instead of making humanity subservient, they should treat them as equals.
And if the races of the galaxy don't buck up their ideas and make an alliance to kick the 'nids out, the Milky Way hasn't got much time left.
Focus on the Tyranids, Numbskulls! Or you're going to get stomped so hard...

Because its Warhammer 40k, and nobody wants to hold hands and sing songs around the campfire.

**Mynameisalie**

lol. That campfire thing is pretty funny.
But I do mean it. If the 40k universe was real (it probably is somewhere in this universe. If you want to disagree, do it on the OT forums) the rest of the galaxy is just going to get hoovered up by the Tyranids. Who else can actually see that happening?

**blood reaper**

I'm not the best example to use in your argument, because you've used me three times now I believe to try and divert attention away from your races flaws and to the fact you aren't hearing what you wanted.

**blood reaper**

Mynameisalie wrote:lol. That campfire thing is pretty funny.
But I do mean it. If the 40k universe was real (it probably is somewhere in this universe. If you want to disagree, do it on the OT forums) the rest of the galaxy is just going to get hoovered up by the Tyranids. Who else can actually see that happening?

The 40k universe is set in our universe, but again, you haven't taken any time to read over the fluff.

Erm, why are you talking about the 'nids now? I mean, everyone know's they are a threat, again this makes 0% sense.

**Mynameisalie**

Ok, I've had a read through the sectors. Where best would it be to put these guys? Btw, I'm starting all over again besides the key facts:
The lynx are psykers, powerful ones at that, they're physically weak, they were primarily quite uncivilised until an Animatrix crystal comes along and makes them psykers, thereby setting off a Warp Storm that has lasted since ? [fill in number of years here], they're technologically advanced, through both their own tech and the Tau's help, allied with the Tau very firmly, Eldar I'm not so sure about.
Definitely not Segmentum Solar. I know who lives there.
Obscurus: No. Eye of Terror + Lynx = very bad idea. Daemons would come ravening out of that thing in an attempt to kill every Lynx within 1,000 light years. Or any other suitable reason you guys can think of.
Ultima: No. Too many races live here already, I believe. Tyranids, Tau Necrons and Eldar I think.
Tempestus: No no no no no no nononono. I am not having my race being wiped out by the 'nids of Leviathan.
Pacificus: It's quite quiet, it would be suitable for the Lynx. No Warp portals, chaos incursions, little Imperial contact. Seems like a good place.
Those are my reasons for putting the Lynx in Segmentum Pacificus.
Anyone disagree to putting them there?

**Mynameisalie**

And I see during the wars between the Old Ones and the Necrons the Old Ones made races with a strong connection to the Warp, and fought the Necrons with a perfect psychic race. But it doesn't mention what race this is. A possible loophole for my race? I'm just saying, could it be possible to fill that gap with the Lynx?

**Mynameisalie**

Wait, guys, what parts of the 40k wiki do you suggest me reading?
Just the links on the main page? Or more in depth? Or certain links on the main page?

**Trondheim**

Read up on psykers, Daemons, the warp. the sector that you want to sttel this furry race in and the general timeline of 40k. If you asked me the Ghoul stars would be a fitting place since well not much is know about said part of space

**Mynameisalie**

Got it. I still think pacificus is decent place.
So, Ghoul Stars or Pacificus, forum?

**Trondheim**

I vote Ghoul stars