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Mynameisalie wrote:

purplefood wrote:Undercosted i'd say...

What do you suggest? I'm not too good at costing.
And I've just uploaded the current codex (still not finished but corrected). If anyone wants to see it, let me know and I'll either PM it to you or It'll go up in the Proposed Rules section.

I'd say they're about right. Because they do have a weaker Strength and toughness, and a weaker armor save. But the invul and better main weapon balance it out.

Makarov wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

purplefood wrote:Undercosted i'd say...

What do you suggest? I'm not too good at costing.
And I've just uploaded the current codex (still not finished but corrected). If anyone wants to see it, let me know and I'll either PM it to you or It'll go up in the Proposed Rules section.

I'd say they're about right. Because they do have a weaker Strength and toughness, and a weaker armor save. But the invul and better main weapon balance it out.

They used to be S4 T4, but I toned that back cause it was very OP. And they need a psychic test on 3D6 to activate their invulnerable save. It would be unfair if someone had a 2++ all the time . But if they fail the test, there is no Perils of the Warp and no Overloads. The save just doesn't activate.
http://pdfcast.org/pdf/lynx-codex-pdf
Click that. It takes you to the latest codex. Metapsykers aren't corrected yet, so don't start moaning about them, ok?

Why don't you just have your guys count as another race?

They are.
They have their own codex.
They don't appear in any other races codex.
And I remember seeing you somewhere on one of Trondheims threads...
Small world.

Mynameisalie wrote:They are.
They have their own codex.
They don't appear in any other races codex.
And I remember seeing you somewhere on one of Trondheims threads...
Small world.

No, I mean count your guys as another Codex.

Like, have your basic soldier count as a Space Marine and your general count as a Chaplain or something.

The Counts As rule is usually quite a useful rule in matters like these...

LoneLictor wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:They are.
They have their own codex.
They don't appear in any other races codex.
And I remember seeing you somewhere on one of Trondheims threads...
Small world.

No, I mean count your guys as another Codex.

Like, have your basic soldier count as a Space Marine and your general count as a Chaplain or something.

Erm...
What?
Sorry, don't understand half the that goes on in the 40k universe.

The Rulebook basically says you can have an army that doesn't have a codex and use the rules from another codex to represent them.
For example: If i wanted to represent an Arbites force (Badass military police used by the Imperium) i could use the Imperial Guard codex to represent them. As long as the models were consistent and i explained everything to my opponent beforehand it'd be perfectly legal. It's even in the rulebook... i think... not entirely sure about 6th ed...

...
Ohhhh...
No.
My Lynx! :(
Okay, getting serious. I didn't know that. And no, please, I want my guys to be unique. That's the whole point. If I'd wanted them to be SM's I would have just got SM's. Good idea, but no, sorry. They're my race.

They really aren't unique.

Their just a ripoff or daemons, Eldar and Necrons.

So do I buff up the costs on the basic units? Or is it decently costed?
Highest point unit in the codex is about 750pts
And that is a God Construct. Basically about 17 odd Lynx souls shoved inside a mechanical monstrosity that breaks .
No, that's not a freaking copy of the eldar Avatar, before any of you guys says anything.
Avatar is organic and a Warp entity, I believe.
God Constructs are inorganic (crystal, metals etc) and are not Warp-based. Never had heard of the Avatar until a week ago, and I got the ideas for God constructs loooong before that.

Makarov wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

purplefood wrote:Undercosted i'd say...

What do you suggest? I'm not too good at costing.
And I've just uploaded the current codex (still not finished but corrected). If anyone wants to see it, let me know and I'll either PM it to you or It'll go up in the Proposed Rules section.

I'd say they're about right. Because they do have a weaker Strength and toughness, and a weaker armor save. But the invul and better main weapon balance it out.

Actually the weapon is shorter ranged but has higher AP. I think that balances out the weapon as well. So the inv save is the thing that keeps them alive

Looks good so far, definitely read the Doona series of books by Anne McCaffrey if you want some more ideas on a race of sci-fi cat people.

I'm unsure about the allied to the Imperium aspect, but they could certainly be allied to humans, possibly remnants from the dark age of technology that the Crusades never reached.

That's what I have been trying to say to these guys, in a slightly different way.
It's just quite a few of the ones I have ended up talking to are either sticklers of the fluff or just want to up my army

Advanced the fluff a little more. Tech section is complete. Now there's just, erm... How their army works and a rounding-off to this section:

The Lynx are the most mysterious and secretive of all the races discovered by the Imperium so far. They resemble furry humanoids, with reflective eyes, pointed ears and a long, prehensile tail. They are lithe and fragile beings, but psychic power emanates from each Lynx with such intensity that it can cause lesser beings to be drive insane. Though for all this power, they are a cursed race.

Lynx are powerful psykers, able to manipulate the material universe to their whim with a simple mental stimulus. Though this psychic power is as much a hindrance as a help. Due to the massive amounts of energy a Lynx consumes form their own metabolism to be able to use their powers, a Lynx deprived of energy which they drain from their sacred crystals will eventually wither and die. Though this is dangerous enough in its own right, the power itself is sometimes too much to handle. Those who show even a momentary lapse in concentration will be slain mercilessly by their own power in horrific and gory ways. Yet it is not just the psyker that suffers; the psychic turbulence is an extreme danger to his or her companions. The disruption created by the overload of power causes a feedback loop in nearby Lynx, inflicting extreme pain and loss of consciousness, if not death.

Psychic tendencies aside, the Lynx have a array of technology that even the Magi of Mars would be jealous of. Their crystals are used in a wide variety of their technology, from weapons to armour to entire skeletal transplants. How they achieve the latter is confusing even for the Eldar or Tau, but it seems commonplace in the more psychically gifted Lynx. They have even discovered some valuable relics from the Dark Age of Technology, which they sell to rogue traders in exchange for materials and information. Amongst these are the Standard Template Construct for the fabled Executioner pattern Leman Russ, vortex warheads for the destructive Deathstrike Missile Launchers and several pieces of curious dimension rift technology.
Feel free to suggest an alternative to the last sentence.

Although the Imperium might, might, trade the tech with your race, I doubt they would give them the STC. The imperium really likes having those.

TheRobotLol wrote:Although the Imperium might, might, trade the tech with your race, I doubt they would give them the STC. The imperium really likes having those.

The Lynx have no use for it. Besides, wouldn't it be a good twist when a forge world starts churning out Executioners...? The Lynx can't mass produce the executioner; it would be pointless to do so. Besides, the Lynx are trading through rogue traders, and xenos and old age tech often arrives through them.

Mynameisalie wrote:That's what I have been trying to say to these guys, in a slightly different way.
It's just quite a few of the ones I have ended up talking to are either sticklers of the fluff or just want to up my army

No it isn't.
The thread is even entitled 'Use and help of xenos within the Imperium'
You wanted them allied with the Imperium. Not some random disconnected humans.

It's not that we're trying to mess with your army, your army has some large flaws which you refuse to change...
The whole race being powerful psykers for one.

the Eldar would most likely not be too confused by the Lynx's surgical skills. i forget which book its in, but there's a part of a story wherein the space elves perform some very complex surgery on a Space Marine's skull that was far beyond imperial capacity to replicate. they were even going to cut him open (and ruin the whole thing) to see what they did.

continuing on with the Eldar similarities, you really need to work on this crystal shtick. it's just wraithbone that does X instead of Y, and that's fairly boring. i'm not saying to get rid of it but in its current state it's too similar.

and whatever the God Construct does, it needs to not be 750 points. that's an Apoc-level cost -- more than a PYLON, and i don't think its even as good as one of those crazy things.

look at the C'tan Shards in the Necron codex for inspiration on how to cost it, and how it should work. or any other MC, i guess, but it sounds more like a shard than anything.

purplefood wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:That's what I have been trying to say to these guys, in a slightly different way.
It's just quite a few of the ones I have ended up talking to are either sticklers of the fluff or just want to up my army

No it isn't.
The thread is even entitled 'Use and help of xenos within the Imperium'
You wanted them allied with the Imperium. Not some random disconnected humans.

It's not that we're trying to mess with your army, your army has some large flaws which you refuse to change...
The whole race being powerful psykers for one.

this, too. who are you making this army for? just you? in that case, you don't even need to change anything. just go play! no one else will see it except for your friends, i suppose, so it doesn't particularly matter what you do with it.

but if you're planning this for an audience larger than yourself, be ready to can just about every idea you come up with during its development. if you aren't willing to do that, then the project isn't going to go anywhere.

going by what you've said in both of these threads, the former is your most likely motivation. your posting feels like a search for validation, which is fine i suppose, but it isn't conducive to making your Lynx the best they can be.

no one is trying to bungle your army, we're just not saying what you want to hear. you've been given a lot of good critique and commentary, and that's not something you should ignore!

Drakmord wrote:the Eldar would most likely not be too confused by the Lynx's surgical skills. i forget which book its in, but there's a part of a story wherein the space elves perform some very complex surgery on a Space Marine's skull that was far beyond imperial capacity to replicate. they were even going to cut him open (and ruin the whole thing) to see what they did.

continuing on with the Eldar similarities, you really need to work on this crystal shtick. it's just wraithbone that does X instead of Y, and that's fairly boring. i'm not saying to get rid of it but in its current state it's too similar.

and whatever the God Construct does, it needs to not be 750 points. that's an Apoc-level cost -- more than a PYLON, and i don't think its even as good as one of those crazy things.

look at the C'tan Shards in the Necron codex for inspiration on how to cost it, and how it should work. or any other MC, i guess, but it sounds more like a shard than anything.

It's semi-surgical, semi-psychic.
Yeah, it is a bit similar. How do you suggest i alter it? I'm not quite sure how to change it...
God Constuct:
WS: 8
BS: 8
S: 7
T: 7
W: 6
I: 7
A: 5
Ld: 10
Sv: 2+/2++
That and it could have the potential to burn off a super-heavy's armour in 4 rounds.

Drakmord wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:That's what I have been trying to say to these guys, in a slightly different way.
It's just quite a few of the ones I have ended up talking to are either sticklers of the fluff or just want to up my army

No it isn't.
The thread is even entitled 'Use and help of xenos within the Imperium'
You wanted them allied with the Imperium. Not some random disconnected humans.

It's not that we're trying to mess with your army, your army has some large flaws which you refuse to change...
The whole race being powerful psykers for one.

this, too. who are you making this army for? just you? in that case, you don't even need to change anything. just go play! no one else will see it except for your friends, i suppose, so it doesn't particularly matter what you do with it.

but if you're planning this for an audience larger than yourself, be ready to can just about every idea you come up with during its development. if you aren't willing to do that, then the project isn't going to go anywhere.

going by what you've said in both of these threads, the former is your most likely motivation. your posting feels like a search for validation, which is fine i suppose, but it isn't conducive to making your Lynx the best they can be.

no one is trying to bungle your army, we're just not saying what you want to hear. you've been given a lot of good critique and commentary, and that's not something you should ignore!

No, I'm going for publishing.
Don't reply to that.
Not ignoring it, taking into account quite a lot of it actually, though it seems I may not. blood reaper is one of theose guys who just wants to on my threads on this codex.

I don't want to, well, you seem to imply 'gak' on your threads, it would just add to the pile. Anyways, you refuse to take criticism unless it barely effects your semi-perfect race.

Mynameisalie wrote:So do I buff up the costs on the basic units? Or is it decently costed?
Highest point unit in the codex is about 750pts
And that is a God Construct. Basically about 17 odd Lynx souls shoved inside a mechanical monstrosity that breaks .
No, that's not a freaking copy of the eldar Avatar, before any of you guys says anything.
Avatar is organic and a Warp entity, I believe.
God Constructs are inorganic (crystal, metals etc) and are not Warp-based. Never had heard of the Avatar until a week ago, and I got the ideas for God constructs loooong before that.

sorry, but i believe an avatar is molten metal, and how did you manage never to hear about an avatar, at all?

blood reaper wrote:I don't want to, well, you seem to imply 'gak' on your threads, it would just add to the pile. Anyways, you refuse to take criticism unless it barely effects your semi-perfect race.

Exactly what I mean.
If you have any suggestions besides the usual "it's really, really bad, absolutely everything needs to be changed, they're just copied etc etc" then give them. You aren't suggesting anything other than "change the entire race". If you have any suggestions on how to change things on top of the existing base flow of he race, make them.

sorry for suggesting this, cant remember the OP, but it WOULD make much more sense for them to be allied with the tau, as they are generally very good at allying (vespid, kroot, etc)

Mynameisalie wrote:

blood reaper wrote:I don't want to, well, you seem to imply 'gak' on your threads, it would just add to the pile. Anyways, you refuse to take criticism unless it barely effects your semi-perfect race.

Exactly what I mean.
If you have any suggestions besides the usual "it's really, really bad, absolutely everything needs to be changed, they're just copied etc etc" then give them. You aren't suggesting anything other than "change the entire race". If you have any suggestions on how to change things on top of the existing base flow of he race, make them.

Impossible.

Honestly, that or just improbable.

And we're arguing about the fluff. That's really about it. The race i have personally ensured is a slightly above average race, with balanced units, and higher power and lower power ones. They're not GK standard anymore. If you forgot about the fluff, ad played them on the table, I think they'd be quite fun.

blood reaper wrote:

Mynameisalie wrote:

blood reaper wrote:I don't want to, well, you seem to imply 'gak' on your threads, it would just add to the pile. Anyways, you refuse to take criticism unless it barely effects your semi-perfect race.

Exactly what I mean.
If you have any suggestions besides the usual "it's really, really bad, absolutely everything needs to be changed, they're just copied etc etc" then give them. You aren't suggesting anything other than "change the entire race". If you have any suggestions on how to change things on top of the existing base flow of he race, make them.

Impossible.

Honestly, that or just improbable.

you just really have to learn to take CC

*constructive Criticism