Is there reason to believe the best of archeotech is actually human technology?

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**PhillyT**

Well, it was originally the whole void dragon. It would of course be a MASSIVE shard at this point, potentially the majority of him, but still, he is sprayed around the inside of the cavern and trapped isn't he?

**Furyou Miko**

pm713 wrote:
Doesn't 1 guardians seem a bit....weak?

Well, technically two - the Guardian, who can use all the Void Dragon's powers, and her boytoy, who rides a Paladin.

Sprayed across the inside of a cave...

yes, something like that!

**Unyielding Hunger**

It's a labyrinth, so it's not much of a cave as a long maze with a trapped shard at the end. Still, it's not like we are talking about every inch of the lower sections of mars being completely dangerous, it's just the large number of rogue mechanisms that is the real problem. Even if they don't go after the majority of the tunnels, they should still be able to salvage and stabilize more of the planet. Think of retaking the planet in the following scenario.

Working in small squads, you send a techpriest and several skitarii down into the lower tunnels. They start from the entrance and work systematically, barricading off each end of a hallway, room, etc, and moving out farther each day, one room/hall at a time. Behind them, you send your acolytes to search through the refuse for anything of value. After that, you take everything of questionable safety and hold it in a secure lock up, and work off the paper prints and texts you find. Paper isn't threatening, and you should reasonably be able to tell if it worthy salvage, or something made by the dark mechanicus during the schism. Really, all you have to worry about are the rogue machines getting boxed in and aggressively attacking the bulkheads, which makes it fairly easy for the Mechanicus troops to defend these new areas. Sure, it will probably take them a couple hundred years to sweep a decent section of the areas, but it should realistically be fairly simple. Granted, the minute you get into a major foundry or workshop down there...Well, I wouldn't go in there, but that is why the Mechanicus has combat servitors.

**EmpNortonII**

Psienesis wrote:
The Tau didn't, prior to the Warp Storms. It is also the basic principles on which all of our technology is built.

A popular misconception among Imperial players, it seems.

Page 8, Tau Codex

"The story of evolution from stone tools to a more advanced society is common enough tale throughout the galaxy. What makes the Tau story notable is the speed at which their culture leapt from stage to stage. It was not many generations after they established their first settlement that the Tau began building fortresses and using combustion firearms to defend themselves from marauding tribes of plains dwellers allied with the Tau of the air."

Prior to the Warp Storm and prior to the Ethereals, the Tau were STILL advancing at a break-neck speed compared to humanity IRL. Not many generations compared to hundreds of thousands of years.

**Mynameisalie**

We've gone from computers the size of a house to ones that fit in the palm of your hand and are several hundred million times faster in about half a century. If that isn't fast I don't know what is.

**Furyou Miko**

More impressive, Mynameisalie, is that we went from no computers at all computers to computers in every house in twenty five years.

The more advanced technology becomes, the faster it progresses.

**Mynameisalie**

Furyou Miko wrote:
More impressive, Mynameisalie, is that we went from no computers at all computers to computers in every house in twenty five years.

The more advanced technology becomes, the faster it progresses.

First fully digital computer was made in 1939. They've been around a lot longer than 25 years. 80 years now, it seems.

As for your second statement, I agree wholeheartedly. Technology does indeed advance exponentially as the years go by, purely by vortue of having more to work with.

**Psienesis**

How it actually works on Mars.

Unyielding Hunger wrote:
It's a labyrinth, so it's not much of a cave as a long maze with a trapped shard at the end. Still, it's not like we are talking about every inch of the lower sections of mars being completely dangerous, it's just the large number of rogue mechanisms that is the real problem. Even if they don't go after the majority of the tunnels, they should still be able to salvage and stabilize more of the planet. Think of retaking the planet in the following scenario.

Working in small squads, you send a techpriest and several skitarii down into the lower tunnels.
90% of them are never heard from again.

They start from the entrance and work systematically, barricading off each end of a hallway, room, etc, and moving out farther each day, one room/hall at a time.
Fifteen minutes after the remaining 10% who are sometimes heard from again, have managed to completely blockade a section, freefloating nanomachines have devoured the blockade and seven skitarii. The free-range Scrapcode infesting every device and system has driven the Tech-priest irrevocably insane. And then the tunnels reposition themselves, a la The Cube.

Behind them, you send your acolytes to search through the refuse for anything of value.
Who meet the insane Tech-Priest from above and have their remaining flesh pulled off by mechadendrites and eaten.

After that, you take everything of questionable safety and hold it in a secure lock up, and work off the paper prints and texts you find. Paper isn't threatening, and you should reasonably be able to tell if it worthy salvage, or something made by the dark mechanicus during the schism.
Paper, and its contents, have been re-written by the Scrap-Code Daemons that infest the reaches of Mars. Following the instructions on this paper is taking your life and soul into your own hands, as the device you build off these notes might decide to kill you the second it rolls off the assembly line.

Really, all you have to worry about are the rogue machines getting boxed in and aggressively attacking the bulkheads, which makes it fairly easy for the Mechanicus troops to defend these new areas. Sure, it will probably take them a couple hundred years to sweep a decent section of the areas, but it should realistically be fairly simple. Granted, the minute you get into a major foundry or workshop down there...Well, I wouldn't go in there, but that is why the Mechanicus has combat servitors.
There are far worse things than "just" machines in the maze of tunnels that wind their way through the Martian sub-strata. Mars is *fethed*. This is why they look for STC out in the Galaxy, rather than on Mars: because it's safer.

**Furyou Miko**

Mynameisalie wrote:
First fully digital computer was made in 1939. They've been around a lot longer than 25 years. 80 years now, it seems.

As for your second statement, I agree wholeheartedly. Technology does indeed advance exponentially as the years go by, purely by vortue of having more to work with.

You're assuming that I was counting from today.

I was counting from 1988... so, fifty years was right. I didn't realise that digital computers were that early, I thought they were spawned of the second world war.

**Exergy**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Cleaning out Mars would take more power than obliterating the Tau by a number best estimated as a magnitude.

The problem with clearing out mars it not really how much force it would require but how much of what is left would be destroyed by the process. It would be like cleaning out a library with a flamethrower. Would it clean it out, yes. Would anything useful be left, no.

They leave it as it is in the hope that one day they can find a way to recover what is down there without completely destroying it.