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 Paradigm wrote:
Well, 20 MEQ-sized minis with options in a box for £40 is plasusible. Dreamforge Valkir Heavy Troopers are in that sort of area, and probably reasonably so given the purported quality.
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/dreamforge-miniatures/21630-eisenkern-valkir-heavy-troopers


HOWEVER this is GW we're talking about, so take the base cost of a 10-man box for anyone else (about £20), add a SM tax (£5), a HH Tax (£5) and there's no way in hell GW are doing 20 for £40, unless they are snap-fit/no options (which is what the one rumour said, I believe)

Again, if we take the "gateway" idea as read, then one needs to apply the Dark Vengeance type pricing philosophy to this stuff, rather than the usual "think of the most you could conceivably get away with and double it" approach.

I buy FW for the sharpness of detail, while I hope these are good I don't think I'm automatically going to buy these. You only have to look at the Mk6's shoulder pad with studs that already appears in plastic to see why plastic isn't automatically a good thing. I'm most interested in the pre-heresy rhino but that's for my chaos army.

If this is a real thing, I doubt the point is to replace FW kits but rather to market them.

i think so to

As an aside can someone tell me where those dwarves are from? And the tank to the right? Thanks

 Pacific wrote:
The great thing is, we don't really need to wait for GW to release Squats any more!

Spoiler:

I think the Forge Fathers are pretty much what GW would do if they released Squats again in the modern era, minus a giant plastic kit of a tank thing with lots of guns and skulls on it that costs £90

There are a number of rule sets out there for using these in 40k, and of course Warpath is going to have a big Kickstarter at some point in the not-too-distant future.

The dwarfs there are Mantic ForgeFathers. Not sure about the tank.

That tank is from Ramshackle.

Oooo good more sodding space marines
Although wouldn't it be good if we where all wrong and it ended up a new epic since the first epic was Horus heresy titan vs titan if memory serves me right

So does Lords of War have to be so obtuse and arrogant about their denying of rumors.

They can be right all they want but they dont have to be jerks about it, or deny a rumor without giving an answer of whats actually happen since they seem to know if they can deny it with such credence.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So does Lords of War have to be so obtuse and arrogant about their denying of rumors.

They can be right all they want but they dont have to be jerks about it, or deny a rumor without giving an answer of whats actually happen since they seem to know if they can deny it with such credence.

I don't get the mentality either. Just come out, state things clearly and then everyone can be happy.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So does Lords of War have to be so obtuse and arrogant about their denying of rumors.

They can be right all they want but they dont have to be jerks about it, or deny a rumor without giving an answer of whats actually happen since they seem to know if they can deny it with such credence.

I don't get the mentality either. Just come out, state things clearly and then everyone can be happy.

You guys new here? That's practically rumor monger 101 for some of the more legit ones.

Check out how Harry and Hastings post stuff sometimes. Heck, didn't Hastings post a whole thing comparing the future of WHFB to South Asian politics (Year Zero, etc) a couple months ago (without really saying what was going down but in retrospect clearly talking about end times)?

I'd have to go back and check but the folks who come out and say X - May, Y - June, Z - July are almost always wrong (Vela, Natfka, StWB, Stickmonkey). The folks who say things like 'In the next year, we're probably going to get SM, Eldar and Tau in that order' (Harry, Hastings) or limit their predictions to the next one or two (LoWG, 40kradio) end up being a lot more accurate. This largely has to do with release schedules not being set in stone (or so is my guess).

As to the arrogance, it probably comes from the fact that they know what's coming and don't like seeing a lot of arse-hats trying to generate clicks by making stuff up.

Lastly, a number of rumor mongers never give everything they have so as not to out themselves. It is much easier from a deniability standpoint to fact check or deny crappy rumors without exposing your source than to start putting out detailed potential release schedules. If they 'just state things clearly', that'll probably be the end of their source. We've seen that before with mongers who have a string of good predictions and then dry up (40kradio?).

TLDR: Give LoWG a break. They may be a bit more abrasive, but they aren't doing anything the other good mongers aren't doing.

 pretre wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So does Lords of War have to be so obtuse and arrogant about their denying of rumors.

They can be right all they want but they dont have to be jerks about it, or deny a rumor without giving an answer of whats actually happen since they seem to know if they can deny it with such credence.

I don't get the mentality either. Just come out, state things clearly and then everyone can be happy.

You guys new here? That's practically rumor monger 101 for some of the more legit ones.

Check out how Harry and Hastings post stuff sometimes. Heck, didn't Hastings post a whole thing comparing the future of WHFB to South Asian politics (Year Zero, etc) a couple months ago (without really saying what was going down but in retrospect clearly talking about end times)?

I'd have to go back and check but the folks who come out and say X - May, Y - June, Z - July are almost always wrong (Vela, Natfka, StWB, Stickmonkey). The folks who say things like 'In the next year, we're probably going to get SM, Eldar and Tau in that order' (Harry, Hastings) or limit their predictions to the next one or two (LoWG, 40kradio) end up being a lot more accurate. This largely has to do with release schedules not being set in stone (or so is my guess).

As to the arrogance, it probably comes from the fact that they know what's coming and don't like seeing a lot of arse-hats trying to generate clicks by making stuff up.

Lastly, a number of rumor mongers never give everything they have so as not to out themselves. It is much easier from a deniability standpoint to fact check or deny crappy rumors without exposing your source than to start putting out detailed potential release schedules. If they 'just state things clearly', that'll probably be the end of their source. We've seen that before with mongers who have a string of good predictions and then dry up (40kradio?).

TLDR: Give LoWG a break. They may be a bit more abrasive, but they aren't doing anything the other good mongers aren't doing.

I'm hardly new at this, but it doesn't mean I agree with it. If you have details and you're going to share them, just share what you want to share without rumor matrixes, guessing games or being a dick about it. You don't have to share everything, just don't try to channel the fething Riddler to do it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

I'm hardly new at this, but it doesn't mean I agree with it. If you have details and you're going to share them, just share what you want to share without rumor matrixes, guessing games or being a dick about it. You don't have to share everything, just don't try to channel the fething Riddler to do it.

This, if you got something to say say it, instead of being smug, denying rumors while giving nothing in return

Not a good way for an actual rumor monger to keep their source.

Then why be a rumor monger if you're not going to say anything of worth for fear off outing your source

 pretre wrote:
Not a good way for an actual rumor monger to keep their source.

There are ways to do it. Heck there are ways of giving details without directly quoting your source. It doesn't mean you need to pretend to be the bloody Riddler.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Super salty salt for this one.

The saltiest part is the Deimos Pattern Rhino/Predator. It really doesn't make much sense to do that. Still, GW did put the FW Valkyrie and Drop Pods into plastic with few changes from the resin ones. Hell, with all the weird stuff that's been released surrounding Fantasy, I just don't know.

I honestly hope they don't do the Deimos in plastic. I've still got one of the old model Rhinos in bits and I'd love to be able to ride the hype if they do release 30k plastics.

So what's the current state of this rumor? How much do we know about it as of yet, and should I hold onto money or just get Dark Vengeance or bulk Space Marines instead?

Well it looks like there's a CSM supplement on the way after this End Times stuff is done with. (see AdMech Skitarii rumours) to include the new shiny shiny Bloodthirster types and a new CSM warband. No new models other than the Thirster.

Chaos Space Marines don't have Bloodthirsters, though.

that's apparently what the supplement is going to do, put together a khornate CSM warband and deamons (and yes I bet to use it you'll need both codex)

Could be a good thing, think World Eaters supplement. Though I think GW will rather gnaw their own foot off than give a traitor legion decent spotlight-time. It'll probably be some new khornate warband, that again, for some reason, lost all plasma cannons and razorbacks and found a secret stash of autocannons.

Edit: Being a pessimist and being allways right sucks:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The hints on the last page of the upcoming WD (March 13) teasers Khorne related 40k articles in the next issue (March 20). There were rumors from reliable sources (Darnok, Sad Panda) that there is going to be a CSM: Supplement around end of march. It will bring rules for the Bloodthirster variants to 40k and also for a mixed CSM and Daemon list focusing on Khorne units. No new models. The book is not featuring Worldeaters but a Renegade warband. AdMech is not this and not the next week. I cannot wait as well

 Breotan wrote:
The saltiest part is the Deimos Pattern Rhino/Predator.

That twigged with me as well. I just don't see them doing a slightly different Rhino kit.

Maybe GW still has the original plastic Rhino and Predator molds and they can just produce those as the "new" Deimos versions?

I was thinking they might be doing something mor Chaos culty. y'know in the vein of the Blood Pact/Sons of Sek o.O

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
The saltiest part is the Deimos Pattern Rhino/Predator.

That twigged with me as well. I just don't see them doing a slightly different Rhino kit.

Doesn't necessarily have to be a full new kit. If the FW Demios pattern bits are selling well enough, it would be simple enough to do an upgrade sprue that just contains the upgrade pieces so they can sell it as an online-only sprue for the normal Rhino kit.

 endtransmission wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
The saltiest part is the Deimos Pattern Rhino/Predator.

That twigged with me as well. I just don't see them doing a slightly different Rhino kit.

Doesn't necessarily have to be a full new kit. If the FW Demios pattern bits are selling well enough, it would be simple enough to do an upgrade sprue that just contains the upgrade pieces so they can sell it as an online-only sprue for the normal Rhino kit.

Possible, but they've mostly moved away from upgrade sprues, and per Hastings they want to sell this stuff in their retail stores.

The FW rhino kits could definitely be selling well enough to justify another Rhino kit. They've done plastic kits for things that would seem to have far less sales potential. I'm just not sure that it makes sense in the first run of stuff from a board game. And I think this latest batch of rumors has all the signs of being a "best guess" invention.

When/if they start doing vehicles, I think they'd sell shedloads of plastic Spartans, especially if more people get into HH.

WrentheFaceless wrote:Then why be a rumor monger if you're not going to say anything of worth for fear off outing your source

ClockworkZion wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Not a good way for an actual rumor monger to keep their source.

There are ways to do it. Heck there are ways of giving details without directly quoting your source. It doesn't mean you need to pretend to be the bloody Riddler.

A real rumor monger with good sources is constantly treading the line between saying nothing and saying too much. Even if you don't quote somebody, the nature of the information you provide and when you provide it can as good as zero in on the source.

I get it. You guys want information to be free. Everyone should just tell everything. It doesn't work like that.

Anyways, we're OT so should probably take it to another thread. Feel free to start one or post in the Rumor Tracker thread if you want to discuss this further.

Look I could have the same success rate as LoW by saying "X isnt soon" all the time too, because its vague enough to be not only be believable, but not able to be actually confirmed.

They're saying next to nothing and being jerks about it, thats not being a rumor monger, thats being that kid on the playground going "I know a secret and i cant tell youuuuu nya nya nya"

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Look I could have the same success rate as LoW by saying "X isnt soon" all the time too, because its vague enough to be not only be believable, but not able to be actually confirmed.

Their history says otherwise. They've been accurate with predicting as well as denying.

They're saying next to nothing and being jerks about it, thats not being a rumor monger, thats being that kid on the playground going "I know a secret and i cant tell youuuuu nya nya nya"

That's certainly an opinion.