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2017/03/02 16:23:37
Subject: Eldar, Exodites...Craftworlders, Croneworlders, Commorrites...Harlequins and Ynnari!
Thanks dude! Yeah I love the extra arm wyches I've got a Succubus (Khali herself) that I can't wait to get finished, but is awaiting some of those kickass Talos vestigial arms.
The whole thing for the Haemi coven/Wych Cult will be a sort of insectoid multi-limbed thing which I'm really looking forwards to
The Necrons I'm really looking forwards to as well they're a bit of a side-project to the Eldar, but I really want to do some more horror-style 'crons. For instance, I love the old Wraith models that have that little more humanity to them with their standard faces so I'd love to do that with the new plastics, and I'm fairly certain I can fix the new Flayed Ones models with a little GS too
Sometimes I have to shake my head at computers. I came here yesterday to check what was new on your thread and didn't see anything, figured it must of been quiet since I left over a week ago. I check today cause it says theres a new message and I'm bombarded by a whole page of awesome conversions of multi-armed bloodbrides and storm guardians and so much amazing things. Really don't even know where to begin dude, so much amazing stuff. Though your four-armed bloodbride is a real standout to me
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2017/03/03 11:04:06
Subject: Eldar, Exodites...Craftworlders, Croneworlders, Commorrites...Harlequins and Ynnari!
Haha! Thanks man yeah sometimes it's a little dodgy for me too. If I leave anything for too long I think it defaults to 'read'...
Glad you like the Bloodbride too I've got a Shardnet/Impaler one of those on the chopping block at the moment but I'm waiting for a delivery of those kickass Talos vestigial arms to finish her.
Oh, and I've got a Succubus for the same Cult awaiting on those bits too and a piece of fluff I'm really proud of to go along with it! I can't wait
Was inspired by this frankly awesome Sylandri Veilwalker (with Mask of Secrets!) made from the Silver Tower Mistweaver by Rollingawaythestone here on Dakka:
I informed him that I liked it so much I'd be stealing the idea! He was flattered, so here we go:
To be perfectly honest I think Rolling's one's better, the lack of hair makes it look a little more alien and his mask is more recognisably Harlequin, but I quite like mine and had to change it up slightly
Thanks again for letting me shamelessly steal this idea!
Haha, more like great minds flagrantly steal the same ideas
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery though, so RollingAwayTheStone should be proud!
While I did put a lot of effort into the mask, I'm not sure if it's actually paid off TBH. I do like those Sisters of Slaughter masks, but I think a Harlie mask might look better overall. What do you think?
Also, I managed to completely blank on my own suggestion to Rolling. I thought it would be a neat idea to use one of the grenade backpacks from the Kabalite kit as a Shadowseer backpack and completely forgot when it came to making mine... :S
Thats what I eventually decided too. Mistweaver Saih is such an awesome model - but it felt slightly too fantastic and I needed some elements to make it clearly a Harlequin. I think with the Kabalite backpack it will be undeniable.
I think yours sans-hair will work much better with the backpack (which would really hammer home the 'Shadowseer' look). I don't have one spare to test, but I think the hair will foul on the backpack if left in place...
Changed the mask though and it's definitely more recognisably Harlequin
For a few tense moments Mohruin and the Slaaneshi Marine circled each other, sizing up their opponent. Without warning, the augmented human lunged. Combat knife met venom blade, sparks skittering as Mohruin parried wildly. This mon keigh was fast. He hadn't been expecting that. Blows rained down upon him as the astartes set to work with savage glee. It was all he could do to avoid being torn asunder by the ferocious assault. Disengaging for a split second he keyed the command for his drug dispenser. Hypex flooded his circulatory system, wrenching him into a state of hyper-consciousness. The sound of his accelerated breathing assaulted his senses. The colours of his surroundings stung his unblinking eyes. Nerves searing with the speed of their reaction he set about his counter-attack. Strikes rang out like church bells to his enhanced senses, chunks of ceramite exploding where he outmanouvered his foe. His movements were ragged, twitchy...but fast. Blindingly fast. Subconsciously he found himself subtly manipulating the anti-gravity generators in his jetpack, jerking clear of snarling counter-strikes. Veering away from a vertical strike, he clasped his sword in both shaking hands and violently activated his thrusters to lend momentum to his sideways strike.
He staggered aside as the astartes' torso slid apart. The sound of his rapid heartbeat thundered in his ears, red dots clouded his vision where blood vessels had burst. Fingers twitching erratically, he keyed the drug dispenser to release the anti-venom into his bloodstream. Twitches and tics calming, he paused for a second to recover his breath. "Sweet dreaming Lileath that was exhilarating", he muttered in awe.
Thanks dude I must admit, I am a little proud of the edge highlighting on the thigh armour. Edge highlighting's never been something I've felt comfortable with, and this is the first time I fell like I've got it right especially on the dude front and centre.
Glad you like the fluff piece! I was thinking about combat drugs before writing it, and how it's the Dark Eldar that are making them. They're not going to be 'smoke this it'll make you see funky colours' drugs. They're going to be so intense that they're downright painful, but so utterly exhilarating that it's worth it. That alongside the distinct feeling that if you're on them for more than a fleeting moment they'll probably kill you
Had some bits arrive today that I'd been waiting for for ages it seems! So, without further ado:
The vat-born gladiator stood in the dank unfamiliar room, her finely honed body still glistening with fluid from the amniotic chamber. Noticing that she was not alone, Khali sprawled out low to the ground, feet spaced wide and steadied by a third hand planted on the ground, head cocked to one side. Her hooked lower arm extended out to the side, and the upper raising a curved knife above her head, evoking primal visions of scorpions in the mind of the Astartes before her.
The grav-shackles released with a clank and the Astartes bolted forwards, snatching a long serrated blade from the chamber floor. The hulking human settled into a well-honed combat stance, the dried blood of its previous adversaries caked into its matted hair. The Astartes lunged forwards, blade searching for purchase on Khali's frame, but she was quick to dodge this first strike. The augmented brute circled around, wrapping a chain around its free hand. Khali leapt out, catching the warrior by surprise and raking her knife across its forearm. She rebounded from the wall behind and landed a double-armed jab on her opponents torso. Barely registering this assault, the Astartes lashed out with a brutal punch, ribs cracking beneath its slab-like fist, throwing Khali across the room. Coughing blood, she staggered to her feet just in time to avoid another strike as the Astartes pressed its advantage. She sunk her knife into its leg, which elicited a grunt of pain but not much else, and the Astartes swung its blade wide nearly cleaving her in twain. Khali blocked another haymaker, gasping in pain as her forearm broke beneath the blow. Rebounding from the blow, she pirhouetted fast. Lashing out, her hook found purchase in the Astartes' throat. Momentum tore through muscles and arteries in a great gout of blood and the formidable soldier slumped to the ground. Staggerring sideways she stumbled to one knee, taking deep shuddering breaths. Bloodied and broken, but alive.
In the shadows behind her, an arachnid-like Haemonculus scrawled into her research notes. 'Subject K-46...shows promise'.
She's based on this brilliant Lelith conversion by Eye of Error:
I hope I've done it justice!
I also had some Wych legs turn up, so thought I'd do a little step-by-step for my next Bloodbride hopefully they're simple enough that it won't put people off from trying, but enough to show people some tips
So, to kick it off, the tools of the trade
Pair of electrical clippers (have a wedged cutting edge rather than a flat one like hobby clippers which is worse! Not sure why I've not bought a pair of proper clippers yet), plastic glue and a very large reasonably sharp knife. I tried a scalpel/hobby knife a while ago and managed to snap the blade. Personally I prefer the hunting knife as it's actually a bit safer. There's more surface area to hold it by, and it's easier to get leverage on without slipping. Probably more importantly, it's what I'm comfortable with. Oh, and there's a dremel too but I don't use that for most conversions
Anyway, enough about the wrong tools for the job...
Here's what we start with:
Wych legs and a couple of Wych kits with most of the bits picked off them (one kit would do, but I don't have a full one left).
Might seem simple, but legs go down first. They're the only fixed part of a multi-pose model, so the whole pose will stem from what the legs look like.
Then bodies go on. I always find that putting a body on at a degree of rotation, even if it's just a slight one, helps with making a pose look both natural and dynamic. Since these guys are running full-tilt, they get quite a big degree of rotation. It's also good to vary up which way they face
Then, we get to the main bit I wanted to use in the first place. Razorflails!
Here's where the trick to 4-armed stuff comes in You cut off the rounded bit at the top of the shoulder to make a flat face like so:
...and stick it to the body using that new flat edge. That gap below we'll use to fit the lower arm.
Now, this frankly godawful picture is where the other Razorflail arm wants to sit, which won't quite work for us. Not only did it not really look in the right position compared to the other arm now (if in doubt about a pose, I find that physically acting it out helps you to get where your various body parts sit naturally), but there's also no space for the lower arm. A bit of holding it up in different places got to where I want it to be:
So, clip off the rounded end a bit. I also found that there wasn't much space for the lower arm to wedge in so I shaved the underside of the arm joint to make is slimmer.
More holding it in place showed that it still didn't seem high enough, fouling on the leading edge of the shoulder pad so that had to go.
And glued in place with a space to wedge the lower arm in again
Now, if you were just reposing you could fill those gaps in with GS. But for these guys, we'll use these
Took a little bit of sifting through bits to get the right arms. One of the things I wanted to do on these is to have each pair of arms (upper and lower) mirror each other somewhat in pose. I tried just picking out cool arms, and they just look like they were flailing wildly windmilling all over the place. With paired poses, they look much more cohesive
So, hold it up in place to see what sort of angle you want to cut...
...cut the end of the arm into a wedge shape...
...realise you've cut it wrong and the arm's much further back in its swing than you planned...
...look at it from a couple of angles and decide that it looks cool anyway so glue it in place
With a bit of work shaping and trialling the wedge you can get it to fit quite snugly which will prevent the need for GS.
Then, repeat the procedure with the other arm hold in place to get the wedge shape. Cut it. Skim it down so it fits snugly and glue it in place
Last thing to go on is the head most of the time I'll spend a little while holding the head in different positions to see what looks cool, but this one was obvious. If he's hitting something with his sword then he's going to be looking at what he's hitting.
And done!
Hope that was helpful
Also got the bits to finish the Shardnet Bloodbride I'd mostly done
Very excellent tutorial, the finished models are top notch and will truly stand out as some amazing bloodbrides. In comparisons my bloodbrides just kinda come across as... lazy and simple. Just a little bit jealous now.
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2017/03/07 23:31:50
Subject: Eldar, Exodites...Craftworlders, Croneworlders, Commorrites...Harlequins and Ynnari!
Lazy and simple?! Now I won't have that your Bloodbrides are some of my favourite models, just because it's such a simple change yet so effective I've always thought it's about picking the right bit, not necessarily the most complicated. Plus, it's not exactly a walk in the park mating the neckless Sisters of Slaughter heads to Deldar torsos...
Oh, and I'm fairly certain they outshine everything I've ever done in the paint department same goes for your Harlies too Gummy in that regard
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Uneven footsteps echoed out through the ruined and creeper-riddled hall. A clank of armour, and a far heavier thud of a wraithbone replacement, slightly too long to produce an even gait. The ancient High Lord of Selesti stalked through his domain. "I am Lord of this place you tread", he spoke with an authority born of millennia of rulership, his iron voice echoing through the chasms. "Lord since before your kind rose from the depths, and Lord long after they will be consigned to dust."
"Tremble before me, worm-kin. I have watched your upstart Gods rise, and I will watch as they fall. Meet me here, plaguebringer. Meet me here and test your resolve. Your Gods are watching. Do not disappoint."
Raodruin, Godborn, Allfather, Son of Asuryan. High Lord of Selesti. Ancient almost beyond comprehension, the High Lord of Selesti still remembers the great exodus and the Fall of his empire in the depths of his rheumy memories. Prior to the Fall, he was a member of an ancient, secretive and reviled sect of Eldar culture. Called Carrac Noill (lit. Soul Drinkers), these ancient beings practiced what amounts to vampirism. Murderously, they would prise the soul from another Eldar and encorporate it into their own. Through this, they would achieve a continuity of existence that even reincarnation could not promise. Clouded memories of the legends of his forebears told of how they were some of the earliest rulers of the ancient eldar, not long after Eldanesh himself, and how they were hunted and persecuted after their fall from grace. Whether this was truthful, or merely hubristic justification of their crimes was lost to the hazyness of countless millennia. Still, the vast experience accumulated through his unnaturally extended lifespan had seen his people through the great exodus, and the many trials they had endured in the years since the Fall. Surely that was atonement enough for his crimes. He was growing weary of life, he could feel it. Each night, the susserus of lost souls would get bolder. Each fresh hunt would sustain him that little less. Still, he thought, he must go on. Without his guidance Selesti would surely fall, and its people be swallowed whole by the aether. This is something he would never let come to pass. No matter the cost.
The minute I saw the Triumvirate box I knew that feathered cloak seems tailor-made for an Exodite lord
If anyone was wondering about the fluff (specifically the Soul Drinker part), it's based on one of my favourite little excerpts from one of the old codices:
There's so much information hinted at here in such a small little picture. The bit that set me thinking was the little rune down at the bottom right. Soul Drinker: Also scavengers, looters, parasites, vermin, dying, diabolical, daemonic and decaying. One of the most hideous rune-concepts in the Eldar language. It's connected to the Dark Eldar rune next to it, but not the same. It's also distinct (although similar) to the rune for Slaanesh.
I've always thought that having the 'Eldar Empire' as this unchanging monolithic structure existing for millions of years was unrealistic. Much more likely that there have been many, many different forms of Eldar civilisation throughout the millennia, much like humanity has gone through the DAoT, Age of Strife, the Great Crusade, and the final slow inexorable slide into ruin that's occurring in the year 40k. All of that history will have either been consigned to myth, or lost to the sands of time. Plus, this being the grimdark universe of 40k at least some of those forms of civilisation are going to be pretty nasty.
So, I came up with the idea that the concept of a 'Soul Drinker' pre-dated both Slaanesh and the Dark Eldar, and that it refers to one of these previous forms of Eldar civilisation, consigned to vague myth. Plus, it being a pretty revolting rune-concept, it probably refers to something that's both a bit nasty and importantly defeated. History is written by the victors, after all.
Drawing a bit on Fantasy Vampire Counts, I thought of the idea that these proto-soul drinkers first discovered that they could ingest another creature's soul just like the Dark Eldar do now, and used this newfound ability to rise to power over the early Eldar civilisation (possibly in the power vacuum caused by the death of Inriam the Young, last of the line of Eldanesh). However, they would have had to be deposed (probably violently) a long time before the Empire came about for their story to be forgotten in all but a single, reviled, rune-concept.
Thinking of what happens to entrenched regimes that get violently deposed, the survivors scatter to the winds and go into hiding. So, we get to the point where these 'soul drinkers' are a secretive subsect of Eldar society who are hunted by the rest of their culture, again drawing on the 'vampires and vampire hunters' trope. Raodruin is one of the descendants of this culture.
However, because 40k thrives on grey-areas, you can't have these kin-slaying murderous vampires be pure evil. The utter destruction of their civilisation would have effected them just as much as the Eldar that hunted them (if any believed they still existed outside of myth at that point). Most, I'd imagine, would be well entrenched in the debauchery that gripped the Empire. Some would likely find a home with the Dark Eldar (although I imagine that in a twist of fate, most of those would have come to a sticky end at the hands of the Haemonculi while they discovered the secrets of their soul-drinking abilities). Others I'd imagine would have the same foresight that others of their kind had, and deduce that if their civilisation died then they would die with it.
Raodruin is one of that latter group, and led the Selestini to their new home. In protecting his people he has found new purpose beyond simply self-preservation. However, this new conscience he has developed racks him with guilt, as in order to maintain the strength to protect his people he needs to hunt them down and consume their souls.
Apologies for the wall of text, but thought you might like to read some of the backstory
I've also got a little WIP process for anyone that's interested in the modelling
Spoiler:
Take 1 standard Visarch kit
I've got a bit of a thing that HQs should be more physically imposing than the rank and file, and the easiest way to do this with Eldar models is to stick them on some ruins the rubble from the High Elf Lord kit should work nicely
Trimmed to size, and I'm sure that little bit left over will come in handy
Next up is the legs.
This is basically what I was going for. Clip off the Tree Revenant leg, and offer it up to the Visarch legs to see what sort of angle you need. Then, clip off the Visarch leg and discover that you've got the angle wrong again (noticing a trend?). It's always useful to cut off a little further up than you actually need so you've got some extra material to play with when (not if) you get it wrong.
After a bit of faffing about I got them to mate up neatly enough. So glued in place and onto the base, making sure that the back foot covers up the hole in the High Elf ruins.
Next up is the body here's the plan:
After some fairly fraught cutting and clipping, I managed to separate the little masks and the cloak intact (it's too cool of a bit to ruin, if I didn't want to keep it it would have been much easier to remove)
Onto the tabard.
The Visarch cloak is blowing to the left, but the tabard is blowing to the right. The only way you'd get that happening in real life is if the character is spinning his torso around, which doesn't quite fit with the relatively static pose of the Visarch. So, we cut it apart and repose it.
Much better!
Glue it in place, and I must admit I'm not sold. It adds a lot of visual bulk to the lower torso that just doesn't look right (you'll hear me witter on about 'visual bulk' quite a lot with the Triumvirate, although with a little modification they can be very delicate indeed).
To test out whether it'll still look ok, I started gluing together the rest of the model.
When I went to test it again, I accidentally pulled apart the tabard and thought it looked much better cut down! Result
Now, right arm (again, Tree Revenant):
I forgot to get a picture on the glaive arm, but this one should demonstrate. A lot of AoS stuff now has sculpted connection areas for arms, meaning that they naturally fall into a single pose on a sculpted to fit torso. This makes the models themselves a lot friendlier to put together for a novice, and thanks to the sheer variety of bits on AoS models you don't get monopose stuff, which is very impressive
Luckily, it means that there's excess plastic to play with so you can adjust the pose slightly when you cut it flat.
Now, if you're a clever person you'll spot the little nub on the Visarch torso that helps locate his arm in a monopose and clip it off before you stick everything together. Because on occasion I am categorically not a clever person, I spotted that and thought 'ah well, I'll deal with that later'. Nearly pushed the recently-stuck and still malleable model apart trying to get it flat.
And stuck!
It's at this point that the whole pose of the model starts to come to me. He'll be pointing at something with his glaive, looking in that direction too. One of the things I know from my psychology degree regarding body-language is that when people are concentrating on something, their leading foot (or the foot closest) tends to point in that direction too. Otherwise the pose tends to elicit a little 'well that dude looks slightly awkward' thought in the back of people's heads without them realising it. So, the tree revenant foot had to rotate slightly.
Much better luckily you can be pretty rough with the clippers on the tree revenant foot as it's full of odd little ridges anyway. This takes a little more carving to flow if you're doing it on a smooth Eldar leg.
Left arm!
Cut down to fit into the Visarch socket (which is half an arm bonded to the cloak).
And done
Then to test the head I'd originally planned him having, which came up a little short.
So, better idea to reuse the idea from Thaegr the Son of Kurnous. Note how the hair piece I picked is also blowing the same way as the cloak.
Roughly cut the antlers off longer than you need them to be.
Taking a sliver off each time you cut, and starting well in advance of where the final cut needs to be, start cutting a little 45 degree angle into the antlers. The reason you're starting so far back is because getting the angles similar enough not to look wonky when you stick the horns on is a little tricky, and too much cutting can result in some short antlers...
Head in place. It's also a good idea to model with a cup of tea (or a beer or glass of wine ), as you need something to occupy yourself while the glue dries enough to keep the head still when you're posing the antlers.
First stab at getting the antlers in place.
Not so good. Looks more like insect mandibles than antlers. Cool, but not what I'm looking for. Because plastic's such a forgiving material to work with, they're easy to repose.
Much better!
Through this whole thing, I was never quite happy with the tabard. Either too much bulk or not enough. So, I clipped off some of the upper bits and stuck some little greebles from the Wood Elf Wild Rider kit on the bottom.
Little greebles like that are a godsend when you're converting. Things like Purity Seals for Imperial stuff, and various pouches and grenades can hide a multitude of sins in the 'gaps' department
Lastly, I didn't thing the model needed it particularly, but I'd been dying to use some of the gribblies from the Tree Lord kit, so it got sprinkeld with gribblies
And then, best bit about it, I've got all of these bits left over for other conversion jobs! Plus the masks and tabard too
That one was a bit more involved than the 4-armed Bloodbride, but I HQs give you the opportunity to really go the extra mile as you only have to do one dude and not 10 of them!
Thanks dude! Glad you like him especially the fluff.
I was going for something that could be a potential progenitor to both the Haemonculi, Phoenix Lords/Exarchs and Ynnari soul-shenanigans. Some sort of basic soul-transference and containment process that if taken down three different branches of a tech tree could produce each of those different technomancies
I also quite like the duality that in his day Raodruin's Soul Drinker kin were reviled, yet in these strange and desperate times the Ynnari using basically the same process (stealing someone else's soul and using it for your own gain) are lauded as saviours
Wonderful job on this guy dude. How you're able to pump out such amazing conversions and even get them painted so quickly is beyond me. Your creativity (and your bitz box) knows no bounds.
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2017/03/09 16:37:41
Subject: Eldar, Exodites...Craftworlders, Croneworlders, Commorrites...Harlequins and Ynnari!
Haha thanks man TBH I really should have done real life adulting things last night rather than this guy, but I was excited enough when the parcel arrived that I completely forgot about all that :S will pay for that in having to work doubly hard tonight!