[DUNE] novels, movies, television shows -trailer page #10

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**Manchu**

Very well said, Cpt Joystick!

**BobtheInquisitor**

I always found “Zensunni” funny. I prefer to think it’s just a word that happens to sound like two ancient religions mashed together, because otherwise it makes about as much sense as “Wahabbuddhism” or “Voodoomormonism”. At least the Orange Catholic Bible was lacking context* enough for it to sound mysterious instead of silly.

*Until you read the appendices, of course.

**Esmer**

I've listened to several people discussing the movie and I'm still not sure if it's supposed to be pronounced "Dyun" or "Doon" in English, as I'm frequently hearing both. Is this an US/Brit thing?

**BobtheInquisitor**

I’m not sure it breaks down that easily. When people are casually discussing the topological features, they often say doons. When discussing the book (and not wanting it to sound like “Doom”) or adding gravitas to the word, it is often (over)enunciated “Dyunes”. But that might be my regional thing.

**Manchu**

Yes, Brits moreso than Americans pronounce the letter U (long vowel) as “you” rather than “oo.”

**gorgon**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
@Gorgon, no it’s not a Millenial thing or a Marvel thing. It’s a natural reaction to the near-constant barrage of dark, joyless sci fi over the last 20 years. Yeah, Margel
Movies are lighter and more fun, but even our Star Trek is dour and depressing these days. Look at the John Carter adaptation, where the writer saddled an adventurous hero with dead-wife-and-kids angst. The big action scene is interspersed with this old timer punch-up hero crying over little graves. The whole genre has been affected by this trend. I completely understand someone mistaking Dune for yet another crapsack story due to that trailer.

John Carter and the most recent ST movies are dark and joyless? Um, ok. Those films were many things, but those particular adjectives don't come to mind.

How many of the great sci-fi books were 'funny'? Dune, 1984, Neuromancer, Frankenstein, The Martian Chronicles, Fahrenheit 451, Foundation, etc.? There's a lot of darkness in the story of Dune.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Manchu wrote:
Frank Herbert himself described the Butlerian Jihad as a “crusade against computers” so whether he really used the word “jihad” to mean something different from crusade is pretty questionable and I suspect all this smattering of Arabic and Arabic-esque terminology was more about adding some exoticism (and cultural/historical verisimilitude) to his work more so than some kind of importantly particular reference; kind of like how Zensunni doesn’t really work out to anything other than a strange phrase that tricks the mind into seeming familiar in a surprising way.

This exactly. He chose it in 1965 as an exotic word for 'religious war'. Today that word has more baggage, and it makes sense to stay away from it so that audiences don't think you're making other connections and messages.

**Manchu**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
it makes about as much sense as “Wahabbuddhism” or “Voodoomormonism”

Like Buddilsam and Navachristianity (actual Frank Herbert inventions).

**BobtheInquisitor**

Manchu wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
it makes about as much sense as “Wahabbuddhism” or “Voodoomormonism”
Like Buddilsam and Navachristianity (actual Frank Herbert inventions).

I forgot about those.

**Manchu**

Buddislam, for the worshippers of Buddallah.

Again, this is Frank Herbert’s term ...

**Kwahrezal**

Herbert did like to work tiny fragments of Islam into his works sometimes, which dates it a little. My favorite example is when Mohammed is summoned from the dead by the protagonist of The God Makers to discuss the nature of miracles. Their conversation was the most interesting part of the book!

**SamusDrake**

Fanboys: "Deeennnnissss....Deeeennnniiisssss...."

Denis: "Christmas...2020...classic sci-fi. Your time has come! A movie is coming - OUR movie...and when arrives it will shake Hollywood! Marvel? We come for you! We come for you!"

Denis(again...): "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

Fanboys: "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

<sounds of rabid sci-fi geeks storming theatres, stampeding attendants giving advice about covid> Laaa-laaaaaaa-LLLLAAAAAAAAAA-LAAAAAAA!!!

**trexmeyer**

Manchu wrote:
Buddislam, for the worshippers of Buddallah.

Again, this is Frank Herbert’s term ...

The idea isn't absurd, I mean Christianity has absorbed elements of paganism, but the name is awful. It's like Taslan.

**Esmer**

SamusDrake wrote:
Fanboys: "Deeennnnissss....Deeeennnniiisssss...."

Denis: "Christmas...2020...classic sci-fi. Your time has come! A movie is coming - OUR movie...and when arrives it will shake Hollywood! Marvel? We come for you! We come for you!"

Denis(again...): "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

Fanboys: "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

<sounds of rabid sci-fi geeks storming theatres, stampeding attendants giving advice about covid> Laaa-laaaaaaa-LLLLAAAAAAAAAA-LAAAAAAA!!!

Shouldn't that be "MUAD'DIB! MUAD'DIB!" ?

Not a day has passed and someone already made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZPZGq3Zy8

**BobtheInquisitor**

Damn. The Lynch Dune is gorgeous. More so than I remembered.

**gorgon**

Saw this in an article about the attention to detail.

Passage from the book:

“Paul’s attention went to the carved headboard of his bed — a false headboard attached to the wall and concealing the controls for his room’s functions. A leaping fish had been shaped on the wood with thick brown waves beneath it. He knew if he pushed the fish’s visible eye that would turn on the room’s suspensor lamps. One of the waves, when twisted, controlled ventilation. Another changed the temperature.”

From the trailer:

Spoiler:

**Easy E**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Damn. The Lynch Dune is gorgeous. More so than I remembered.

I love Lynch's Dune...... I am not afraid to admit it!

**SamusDrake**

Esmer wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Fanboys: "Deeennnnissss....Deeeennnniiisssss...."

Denis: "Christmas...2020...classic sci-fi. Your time has come! A movie is coming - OUR movie...and when arrives it will shake Hollywood! Marvel? We come for you! We come for you!"

Denis(again...): "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

Fanboys: "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

<sounds of rabid sci-fi geeks storming theatres, stampeding attendants giving advice about covid> Laaa-laaaaaaa-LLLLAAAAAAAAAA-LAAAAAAA!!!

Shouldn't that be "MUAD'DIB! MUAD'DIB!" ?

Not a day has passed and someone already made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZPZGq3Zy8

If Denis pulls this off then that'll be his name from then on!

That side-by-side was pretty good! No matter how good the new film is, I will love the '84 movie forever.

**Esmer**

SamusDrake wrote:
Esmer wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Fanboys: "Deeennnnissss....Deeeennnniiisssss...."

Denis: "Christmas...2020...classic sci-fi. Your time has come! A movie is coming - OUR movie...and when arrives it will shake Hollywood! Marvel? We come for you! We come for you!"

Denis(again...): "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

Fanboys: "LONG LIVE THE FANBOYS!"

<sounds of rabid sci-fi geeks storming theatres, stampeding attendants giving advice about covid> Laaa-laaaaaaa-LLLLAAAAAAAAAA-LAAAAAAA!!!

Shouldn't that be "MUAD'DIB! MUAD'DIB!" ?

Not a day has passed and someone already made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcZPZGq3Zy8

If Denis pulls this off then that'll be his name from then on!

That side-by-side was pretty good! No matter how good the new film is, I will love the '84 movie forever.

The lack of pugs in the new film is a major letdown, truth be told.

Spoiler:

He is the Kwisatz Haderach.

**SamusDrake**

Now that demands an answer; what the duece happened to the pugs?

Did they escape Arrakeen and start their own seitch?

**Captain Joystick**

Serious question to answer the joke question: they were added to the 80s film for some crazy reason, weren't they?

**trexmeyer**

Captain Joystick wrote:
Serious question to answer the joke question: they were added to the 80s film for some crazy reason, weren't they?

Possibly. Lynch took a lot of liberties with things. I do think the heart plugs were an amazing addition, but am probably in the minority there. I feel like Lynch does add some things in to his work now for no reason (Twin Peaks Hawk oven mitts scene from s1 is one he admitted to), but I don't know if he was doing that earlier in his career.

**BobtheInquisitor**

I enjoyed a lot of what he added to the movie. It had a lot more flavor than a straight adaptation would have, and helped me visualize the book in a way that made it stand out even more from all of the similar sci-fi stories that had been published concurrently with Dune.

**Easy E**

The costuming, set direction, and prop work were top notch for 1984.

**ZergSmasher**

gorgon wrote:
Saw this in an article about the attention to detail.

Passage from the book:

“Paul’s attention went to the carved headboard of his bed — a false headboard attached to the wall and concealing the controls for his room’s functions. A leaping fish had been shaped on the wood with thick brown waves beneath it. He knew if he pushed the fish’s visible eye that would turn on the room’s suspensor lamps. One of the waves, when twisted, controlled ventilation. Another changed the temperature.”

From the trailer:

Spoiler:

That kind of attention to detail is always awesome to see! That's part of what made the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and even The Hobbit trilogy to a lesser degree, something really special. Little stuff that just looks like it jumped right out of the book and onto the screen.

**Sterling191**

SamusDrake wrote:
Now that demands an answer; what the duece happened to the pugs?

Did they escape Arrakeen and start their own seitch?

Nope. Gurney took care of them. They show back up in the final sequence in the Paul/Feyd duel.

Spoiler:

**insaniak**

Esmer wrote:
I've listened to several people discussing the movie and I'm still not sure if it's supposed to be pronounced "Dyun" or "Doon" in English, as I'm frequently hearing both. Is this an US/Brit thing?

For 99.9% of the book, it's pronounced 'Arrakis'...

I have no idea why the book was called 'Dune' since that name is only used right at the start of the book, in the bit that explains that Arrakis is informally known as Dune. Nobody ever actually calls it that.

But yes, outside of the US, the word is generally pronounced 'Dyoon', although Herbert (an American) used the common US pronunciation.

**SamusDrake**

Sterling191 wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
Now that demands an answer; what the duece happened to the pugs?

Did they escape Arrakeen and start their own seitch?

Nope. Gurney took care of them. They show back up in the final sequence in the Paul/Feyd duel.

Spoiler:

OMG, how did I ever overlook them!

Thank you so much for putting that to rest!

**Manchu**

Easy E wrote:
The costuming, set direction, and prop work were top notch for 1984.

The production design for that movie is IMO superior to almost everything since (including this film).

**Sterling191**

SamusDrake wrote:

OMG, how did I ever overlook them!

Thank you so much for putting that to rest!

In fairness, its a shot thats cut from the theatrical release. It shows back up in one of the alternate edits that have squeaked out over the years.

**Argive**

Ok that trailer looks Good...

Question: Who could they have cast as a modern day equivalent to sting?