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An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
*Sigh* The point isn't new units, it's better rules for the units the army already has and better internal balance.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
*Sigh* The point isn't new units, it's better rules for the units the army already has and better internal balance.
You know, like in sm 2.0?
Then say that? New datasheets usually translates into new or totally redesigned units.
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An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
*Sigh* The point isn't new units, it's better rules for the units the army already has and better internal balance.
You know, like in sm 2.0?
Then say that? New datasheets usually translates into new or totally redesigned units.
It was the same codex with a couple added data sheets. That doesn't qualify as a "new" codex and you know it.
Would sm 2.0 been as impactful to the faction if it was like csm 2.0?
An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
*Sigh* The point isn't new units, it's better rules for the units the army already has and better internal balance.
You know, like in sm 2.0?
Then say that? New datasheets usually translates into new or totally redesigned units.
It was the same codex with a couple added data sheets. That doesn't qualify as a "new" codex and you know it.
Would sm 2.0 been as impactful to the faction if it was like csm 2.0?
I never looked at the previous codex so to me yes, it's a new codex, but given they added in new mechanics etc then I feel that counts. The issue is that CSM 2.0 is where people should want to be at, marines are the outlier and an imbalance.
Moreover, that's little to do which psychic awakening at that point if we're not discussing any sisters contents in relation to it.
In actual PA related question when did IG as part of PA5 members be aware? Do I recall correctly it was fairly late?
What's the odds sisters could still appear in the ork vs wolves book? Has it been confirmed those 2 would be only factions or could there be more?
We know sisters get PA book and the remaining sister releases are awfully quiet so starting to wonder if the 2 aren't related. Sisters get rules in PA book and along it rest of the kits actually gets released. And if that's true I'm hoping like hell sisters are in next book becxause if not earliest is in may and having to wait to may for core units would be just ridiculous.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
*Sigh* The point isn't new units, it's better rules for the units the army already has and better internal balance.
You know, like in sm 2.0?
Then say that? New datasheets usually translates into new or totally redesigned units.
It was the same codex with a couple added data sheets. That doesn't qualify as a "new" codex and you know it.
Would sm 2.0 been as impactful to the faction if it was like csm 2.0?
I never looked at the previous codex so to me yes, it's a new codex, but given they added in new mechanics etc then I feel that counts. The issue is that CSM 2.0 is where people should want to be at, marines are the outlier and an imbalance.
Moreover, that's little to do which psychic awakening at that point if we're not discussing any sisters contents in relation to it.
No, csm didn't add new mechanics. And it isn't where everyone else needs to be because it has bad internal balance. It was just a cash grab by gw.
Which does bring us to pa. Instead of releasing multiple factions along with questionable quality fluff in expensive hardback books these should have been done as faction specific soft backs. $40 for four pages of rules is ridiculous.
And yeah it's off topic so I'll shut up about it.
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An Actual Englishman wrote: I think it'd be a joke if Sisters also get PA rules, given their codex was released during this campaign.
Yes, we know. You think Orks should have tons of very good very powerful stuff in PA and Sisters should get nothing. Orks are obviously more popular, yadda yadda.
AAE is spot on tbh, as a consumer of new sisters stuff, I'll be annoyed if I have a borderline mandatory expansion that could have been included. It's not about orks getting loads of stuff, it's about not releasing an intentionally incomplete codex.
kinda dickish move on GW's part.
Yeah, but not nearly as dickish as releasing a "new" codex with only a couple new data sheets....
Why? A new codex doesn't have to mean 5+ brand new units, not when the entire army is getting new models.
*Sigh* The point isn't new units, it's better rules for the units the army already has and better internal balance.
You know, like in sm 2.0?
Then say that? New datasheets usually translates into new or totally redesigned units.
It was the same codex with a couple added data sheets. That doesn't qualify as a "new" codex and you know it.
Would sm 2.0 been as impactful to the faction if it was like csm 2.0?
I never looked at the previous codex so to me yes, it's a new codex, but given they added in new mechanics etc then I feel that counts. The issue is that CSM 2.0 is where people should want to be at, marines are the outlier and an imbalance.
Moreover, that's little to do which psychic awakening at that point if we're not discussing any sisters contents in relation to it.
No, csm didn't add new mechanics. And it isn't where everyone else needs to be because it has bad internal balance. It was just a cash grab by gw.
Which does bring us to pa. Instead of releasing multiple factions along with questionable quality fluff in expensive hardback books these should have been done as faction specific soft backs. $40 for four pages of rules is ridiculous.
And yeah it's off topic so I'll shut up about it.
I think we got wires crossed anyway, I meant the sisters book had new mechanics added, the csm 2.0 was a bit of a shambles all round really.
Definitely agree some factions deserve a softback expansion rather than sharing the page count though.
You're right, we're all pointing out GW's pretty damn obvious gakky practices and being negative to ourselves. My bad. Maybe I should only look at the official Facebook and Instagram and get all the positivity I need!
Please do.
Maybe that's what you need to do. If you can't handle us criticizing GW, with VERY legit concerns at that, maybe you shouldn't be looking to get your news and conversation from a public forum.
There's a difference between news and commentary.
This thread is for News. Commentary belongs elsewhere on this forum.
It's as simple as that.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:"Don't be a dick" and "This is a family wargame" are good rules of thumb.
Maybe the sisters will be able to inspire the rabble the ministorum priests are leading. So hopefully we’ll get rules for Frateris Militia, zealots, hive gangers, or some other Imperial cultists.
I'd not expect much more than a create your own minor Order rule for sisters. Maybe squad relics.
There's an element of the Day 1 DLC here, where it could have been part of the codex, but with everything contained in the PA books I wonder if they've taken a precautionary take with this kind of thing and had all of this stuff contained in something that can become Legends if it all gets too much.
Codexes would then be pure Matched Play things, updated via Chapter Approved (which would also be home to new datasheets etc) but if these things aren't that popular or don't fit the design ethos they want going forward (like Vigilus style detachments seem to have fallen foul of) then they are just something that comes into play for this cycle before moving to being Narrative stuff.
CA2020 is going to be interesting in how much it keeps and collects from these books, as already the missions seem to be stabilising.
You're right, we're all pointing out GW's pretty damn obvious gakky practices and being negative to ourselves. My bad. Maybe I should only look at the official Facebook and Instagram and get all the positivity I need!
Please do.
Maybe that's what you need to do. If you can't handle us criticizing GW, with VERY legit concerns at that, maybe you shouldn't be looking to get your news and conversation from a public forum.
There's a difference between news and commentary.
This thread is for News. Commentary belongs elsewhere on this forum.
It's as simple as that.
Then all the threads here would be locked outside the official news. Simple as that, as there's no in between. Dudeface simply doesn't like negativity.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
Tastyfish wrote: I'd not expect much more than a create your own minor Order rule for sisters. Maybe squad relics.
There's an element of the Day 1 DLC here, where it could have been part of the codex, but with everything contained in the PA books I wonder if they've taken a precautionary take with this kind of thing and had all of this stuff contained in something that can become Legends if it all gets too much.
Codexes would then be pure Matched Play things, updated via Chapter Approved (which would also be home to new datasheets etc) but if these things aren't that popular or don't fit the design ethos they want going forward (like Vigilus style detachments seem to have fallen foul of) then they are just something that comes into play for this cycle before moving to being Narrative stuff.
CA2020 is going to be interesting in how much it keeps and collects from these books, as already the missions seem to be stabilising.
If that theory is true then new codexes are a must. Because if pa content is removed from matched play leaving only codexes, meaning sm 2.0 and the current codexes the other factions currently have, then balance is fethed.
Tastyfish wrote: I'd not expect much more than a create your own minor Order rule for sisters. Maybe squad relics.
There's an element of the Day 1 DLC here, where it could have been part of the codex, but with everything contained in the PA books I wonder if they've taken a precautionary take with this kind of thing and had all of this stuff contained in something that can become Legends if it all gets too much.
Codexes would then be pure Matched Play things, updated via Chapter Approved (which would also be home to new datasheets etc) but if these things aren't that popular or don't fit the design ethos they want going forward (like Vigilus style detachments seem to have fallen foul of) then they are just something that comes into play for this cycle before moving to being Narrative stuff.
CA2020 is going to be interesting in how much it keeps and collects from these books, as already the missions seem to be stabilising.
Eh GW won't move PA's out of matched play. They want to sell them. Same reason why they brought super heavies out of apoc only games. To make damn sure the models sell. Here they want to make damn sure books continue keep selling.
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Books are afterall the highest recurring spending veterans do.
Which is the reason for this newest excess.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Tastyfish wrote: I'd not expect much more than a create your own minor Order rule for sisters. Maybe squad relics.
There's an element of the Day 1 DLC here, where it could have been part of the codex, but with everything contained in the PA books I wonder if they've taken a precautionary take with this kind of thing and had all of this stuff contained in something that can become Legends if it all gets too much.
Codexes would then be pure Matched Play things, updated via Chapter Approved (which would also be home to new datasheets etc) but if these things aren't that popular or don't fit the design ethos they want going forward (like Vigilus style detachments seem to have fallen foul of) then they are just something that comes into play for this cycle before moving to being Narrative stuff.
CA2020 is going to be interesting in how much it keeps and collects from these books, as already the missions seem to be stabilising.
Eh GW won't move PA's out of matched play. They want to sell them. Same reason why they brought super heavies out of apoc only games. To make damn sure the models sell. Here they want to make damn sure books continue keep selling.
I think tastyfish is implying they'll move the contents of the books to legends after they have sold.
This is a guarantee at one point or another. We won't be using PA books in 5 years will we?
in fairness the books are all rules, we won't get legends rules. GW'l just release a new edition, new codices etc, and mention in a FAQ that "yeah no using PA this edition"
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Well until they need money and reimplement them again after cycling them out
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Not Online!!! wrote: Well until they need money and reimplement them again after cycling them out
ahh but those will be DIFFERANT books to REPLACE the old ones
Including printing errors, rushed through test Phase and in dire need of first Day faq , fresh books at codex cost
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
cuda1179 wrote: New rumor from BoLS, so take with a grain of salt.
War of the Spider PA book will have Necron, and one of their characters will be redone with a massively upscaled figure.
I think this might be rumour reverb, we heard a while back about a massive new character that at the time was said to be a new illuminator szeras I think it was (sorry if I butchered the spelling), the recent necron story in white dwarf showed us that the silent king has a very similar name and hence may be a model for him.
BrookM wrote: Would be neat if the Silent King got a model along the same lines as the Triumph and Katakros.
I'd love a Katakros-like one (this mini alone make me want to play ossiarch and AoS). Something along the line of the 5th ed necron codex cover with the overlord and all his vargards/advisors/crypteks.
I don't want dioramas characters to become the norm, but necrons would be ideal candidates for it i think.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't want diorama miniatures to become a trend.
Likewise. There's been enough scale-creep as it is.
If I desperately want a diorama I'll make one myself.
blood reaper wrote: I will respect human rights and trans people but I will never under any circumstances use the phrase 'folks' or 'ya'll'. I would rather be killed by firing squad.
the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
