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2021/09/05 16:35:45
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
MaxT wrote:Are we now debating the difference between an error and a mistake?
Pedants gonna pedant.
Semantics gotta semantic.
I'm in the 50% incompetence / 50% arrogance camp
It's really easy to believe that Mgt told peons that nobody is allowed to use anything regarding WH+. The peon is just doing their (presumably) low paying job.
But it is also easy to ascribe incompetence just due to the track record GW has on screwing up; pics, articles, press releases, etc...
2021/09/05 16:48:05
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
GW paints with a wide brush because they can afford to use a hammer when a scalpel would do. It is good legal strategy: if they step on someone unjustly all they have to do is apologise. But the deterrent effect sticks as it does make other creators nervous and anxious, which may make them less likely to produce content. The less content produced, the more likely consumers are to turn their eyeballs to GWs in-house stuff.
2021/09/05 22:08:03
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
MaxT wrote: Are we now debating the difference between an error and a mistake?
Apparently so. The main point is that Games Workshop did something that people swore up and down they wouldn't do, which is incontrovertible.
That's kind of a terrible point, to be honest.
What 'people' said GW wouldn't do doesn't matter and isn't binding on GW. It'd be somewhat meaningful if GW said they wouldn't do it, but as is, so what?
People (especially on the internet) make up the craziest things, and this isn't anywhere near the bottom of the barrel.
What people in this thread said GW wouldn't do but turns out actually did, is absolutely relevant to this discussion when evaluating the credibility of those same people.
Their... credibility to... be on the internet?
phandaal wrote:
Actually it's a great point, because the point is to show that some people were right, and other people who fought them tooth and nail over the original claim were wrong.
Ah. So 'someone' is right, others were wrong about random assertions on the internet, and that's the important thing?
I guess if there's someone keeping score somewhere, for no apparent reason, that might be important.
'What random posters said' seems entirely tangental to what GW is or isn't doing.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue.
2021/09/06 00:04:39
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
MaxT wrote:Are we now debating the difference between an error and a mistake?
Pedants gonna pedant.
Semantics gotta semantic.
I'm in the 50% incompetence / 50% arrogance camp
It's really easy to believe that Mgt told peons that nobody is allowed to use anything regarding WH+. The peon is just doing their (presumably) low paying job.
But it is also easy to ascribe incompetence just due to the track record GW has on screwing up; pics, articles, press releases, etc...
Yeah, I think Management will take note of the response though, this mistake won't be wasted.
2021/09/06 00:34:21
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
I’ve learned a bit about YouTube demonetization from this thread…and a lot about the current gaming culture. I hope this thread stays open until at least the next GW “error”.
right it was not this topic, but a different one were people said that GW will never to such things because "reasons"
problem ist that the topic is discussed in 5 different topics with the updated guideline for fan-films, the topic about 3D files being taken down, this topic, and the 2 WH+ topics
but the post sums up what was said in those, specially that GW will not use the Youtube Strike System unless it is perfectly legal (and that DCMA strikes on YT are not working that way anyway and only illegal videos are taken down before)
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
MJRyder wrote: Gert makes some valid points. While an individual certainly does work *for* and *on behalf of* a company, if someone makes a mistake, it doesn't mean that their mistake is part of some vast corporate conspiracy against you.
This is a ridiculous straw man. Nobody said that. Please don't waste everyone's time with this sort of thing.
I don't think you quite understand how straw man arguments work. This entire thread has turned into a conversation about a simple mistake that was quickly rectified. My argument that a single incident does not equate to a corporate conspiracy is in no way a straw man -- in fact, quite the opposite.
I would kindly ask you to take your patronising attitude elsewhere.
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2021/09/06 10:07:28
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Membership had nothing to do with the EU, EU member states are signed up individually and not as part of the EU
That is also true of EURATOM, yet our government threw in that we were leaving that as well in their Article 50 letter. Which then required us to negotiate a new Nuclear Cooperation Agreement or risk losing access to nuclear materials, research, safety and regulation enforcement etc.
Not really the same. WIPO has no connection to the EU, and so the UK didn't leave that. EURATOM, whilst separate to the EU is governed by many of its institutions including the European Commission and sits under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice - and so the UK left it.
Don't want to make this a Brexit thread - just trying to put the truth out there. There was a claim that the UK left WIPO, this NEVER happened.
2021/09/06 10:29:24
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
StraightSilver wrote: My understanding is that the UK'S membership of WIPO was based on it being part of EUIPO.
Once UK leaves EUIPO it becomes UKIPO after the transition period which is the end of this month (September).
The UK on its own was never a member of WIPO and has to reapply in October to join.
The Madrid protocols cease to apply to UK from the end of this month.
So UK is still a member state until end of September but after that it's uncertain.
It may well be the case that UKIPO is recognised as a member but it's not, AFAIK, a guarantee which is why UK companies are panicking at the moment.
I'm not an expert, I can only go by what the WIPO say themselves - they say that the UK is a member, and they make no mention of the EUIPO being a member. This article would seem to imply that the EUIPO is NOT a member of the WIPO (otherwise it would be a member meeting and not a bilateral meetings) https://euipo.europa.eu/ohimportal/en/news/-/action/view/5825285
Now it is true that the UK has/will drop out of EUIPO, and that grants extended protections within the EU over and above what is offered by the WIPO (although the main benefit seems to be the speed at which the EUIPO will grant a trademark), but that's not the same as dropping out of the WIPO
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2021/09/06 16:55:50
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
I am waiting for the sci fi fantasy writers’ guild to advertise for cosplay assassins to go after GW corporate henchlegal muscle so as to send a message about coopting someone else’s “IP” e.g. a Fafrd and a Grey Mouser to go after whoever at GW wants to defend Gotrek and Felix as if it belongs to that parasite… man, a hobby is not supposed to leave a bad taste in one’s mouth, unless that hobby involves eating something that tastes bad…
Corporations are always looking to flex their legal muscle or cut corners for profits, that's what they do. Like a bear killing a deer; it's the nature of the beast, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.
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Old World Prediction: The Empire will have stupid Clockwork Paragon Warsuits and Mecha Horses
Goose LeChance wrote: Corporations are always looking to flex their legal muscle or cut corners for profits, that's what they do. Like a bear killing a deer; it's the nature of the beast, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.
This is not the nature of corporations as originally formed any more than this is the native ethic of capitalism as originally envisioned. Sadly, this is how things are represented by anemic business ethics and economics professors and supporting literature since at least Friedman's work in the early 70s i.e. the only responsibility of a leader in business is to maximize profits, and to do anything else is to do something immoral rather than moral e.g. aim to maximize social benefits to quality of life for the leaat well-off, etc...
It is not as if the truth is difficult to find. Read Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments or study Freeman's value creation stakeholder management, pay attention to the disputed interpretations of Smith's Wealth of Nations (HINT: the neo-classical economists and their screeds taught at maybe 95% of universities get this wrong, but the tide is turning as the 'greed is good' ethos fails at every level in every nation as the hype-wave of contemporary globalism has crested and is falling like a stone on fire) in enlighened philosophical literature, and generally do what Smith would have advised, follow your conscience, do the right thing for the community, and act so as to make the world a better place ... profits follow from this, not the other way around.
Anyways, it is time for people who have no idea about what is going on in the world and less idea of the history of ideas that has led to the contemporary fiasco to stop presuming that this is just the way things are because fact o nature, because it is not only false but dangerous and damaging.
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2021/09/07 14:54:05
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Goose LeChance wrote: Corporations are always looking to flex their legal muscle or cut corners for profits, that's what they do. Like a bear killing a deer; it's the nature of the beast, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.
This is not the nature of corporations as originally formed any more than this is the native ethic of capitalism as originally envisioned. Sadly, this is how things are represented by anemic business ethics and economics professors and supporting literature since at least Friedman's work in the early 70s i.e. the only responsibility of a leader in business is to maximize profits, and to do anything else is to do something immoral rather than moral e.g. aim to maximize social benefits to quality of life for the leaat well-off, etc...
It is not as if the truth is difficult to find. Read Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments or study Freeman's value creation stakeholder management, pay attention to the disputed interpretations of Smith's Wealth of Nations (HINT: the neo-classical economists and their screeds taught at maybe 95% of universities get this wrong, but the tide is turning as the 'greed is good' ethos fails at every level in every nation as the hype-wave of contemporary globalism has crested and is falling like a stone on fire) in enlighened philosophical literature, and generally do what Smith would have advised, follow your conscience, do the right thing for the community, and act so as to make the world a better place ... profits follow from this, not the other way around.
Anyways, it is time for people who have no idea about what is going on in the world and less idea of the history of ideas that has led to the contemporary fiasco to stop presuming that this is just the way things are because fact o nature, because it is not only false but dangerous and damaging.
Are you presuming I'm advocating for it? Possibly because you don't fully grasp that you're as guilty as anyone else of supporting it.
Cancel all Disney services and throw your apple phones in the garbage. My fellow internet larping friends.
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Old World Prediction: The Empire will have stupid Clockwork Paragon Warsuits and Mecha Horses
Goose LeChance wrote: Corporations are always looking to flex their legal muscle or cut corners for profits, that's what they do. Like a bear killing a deer; it's the nature of the beast, there's nothing conspiratorial about it.
This is not the nature of corporations as originally formed any more than this is the native ethic of capitalism as originally envisioned. Sadly,
Spoiler:
this is how things are represented by anemic business ethics and economics professors and supporting literature since at least Friedman's work in the early 70s i.e. the only responsibility of a leader in business is to maximize profits, and to do anything else is to do something immoral rather than moral e.g. aim to maximize social benefits to quality of life for the leaat well-off, etc...
It is not as if the truth is difficult to find. Read Smith's Theory of Moral Sentiments or study Freeman's value creation stakeholder management, pay attention to the disputed interpretations of Smith's Wealth of Nations (HINT: the neo-classical economists and their screeds taught at maybe 95% of universities get this wrong, but the tide is turning as the 'greed is good' ethos fails at every level in every nation as the hype-wave of contemporary globalism has crested and is falling like a stone on fire) in enlighened philosophical literature, and generally do what Smith would have advised, follow your conscience, do the right thing for the community, and act so as to make the world a better place ... profits follow from this, not the other way around.
Anyways, it is time for people who have no idea about what is going on in the world and less idea of the history of ideas that has led to the contemporary fiasco to stop presuming that this is just the way things are because fact o nature, because it is not only false but dangerous and damaging.
Are you presuming I'm advocating for it? Possibly because you don't fully grasp that you're as guilty as anyone else of supporting it.
Cancel all Disney services and throw your apple phones in the garbage. My fellow internet larping friends.
Oh, I more than fully grasp.
Your words, “ nature of the beast” … are those to which I was responding. Advocate or not the understanding is mistaken.
Gregor Samsa wrote: GW paints with a wide brush because they can afford to use a hammer when a scalpel would do. It is good legal strategy: if they step on someone unjustly all they have to do is apologise. But the deterrent effect sticks as it does make other creators nervous and anxious, which may make them less likely to produce content. The less content produced, the more likely consumers are to turn their eyeballs to GWs in-house stuff.
Not so sure on that - the mass of content featuring GW's products on YouTube helps sell the products*. To an extent, I think even the "why I hate GW today" channels feed in to that. It keeps them talked about and relevant. And I'm sure every time someone posts a video about how some new models are massively overpriced, at least one viewer goes "well, he has a point but they are soooo nice I will buy them any way."
If they wanted to go after someone maliciously, why would they go after a fair and even handed review of WH+ that was very positive in places, rather than the videos calling it a rip-off, scam, money-grab, etc?
(*And no, I don't think fan animations help sell the product in the same way. Because they don't feature the actual product.)
2021/09/08 09:11:20
Subject: Games Workshop Hiring Infringement Assistants
Fan created videos, like fan fiction, fan lore, fan sites, conversions and all that might not help sell the products directly. However they do help sell the setting the products are in.
One thing GW has realised is the power of lore and that having lore and artwork and promoting it, ends up with people invested more heavily into your setting. It's one thing they've got really well done and its something a lot of other firms overlook or even totally ignore. Because its not a direct earning element they let it slip by; and yet GW focuses a lot of resources on it.
It also works; the lore helps hook people even when the game, building and painting might be at low spots for them. It also creates interest, hooks and more of a connection to the models and game and, ultimately, the story.
Yes because its a game-bound lore it has limits. We are never going to see the Emperor killed, humanity fall and Eldar rise to rule the Galaxy again whilst Tyranids are wiped out. Or at least if we did see such things it would be like the start of AoS, a wasteland of complaints, hate, drama and more.
But it works.
It's why GW didn't care about fan animations, nor even them earning money until they shifted their company stance on them. Even now we see that GW is keen to foster a good relationship with animators; even if at the same time they are having to issue demonitizing orders to them in order to protect their current and future media interests with their franchise, ip and lore.
Fun fact, that comic consists of 3 panels. The first one? it literally goes:
person A: "we should adress the issues of capitalism"
person B (the one that says yet you live in a society): "yet you have a cellphone".
Trust me, your comment is very reminiscent of that first pannel.
Yeah, you're really addressing the issues of Capitalism by posting memes on reddit and twitter.
And your edgy condescending comments on the state of the world inside a rumours thread for plastic minis made by a company you hate are really much better.
Goose LeChance wrote: I'm not saying anything different from most of the comments in this thread, why single me out? In fact, my entire point is to do less complaining.
That thread of conversation originated from one of your earlier comments that lead to the unfortunate discussion of the socio-economic climate of the world and the relative ability to stereotype people via memes. I do apologise, it's not only you doing this but the bulk of the last page has been you standing ground against various things. So in hindsight, yes everyone needs to stop trying to fix the world and being armchair lawyers/corporate owners/logistics experts etc.
