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I got a Land Raider Achilles Couple weeks ago, I wanna know what every one thinks about them.

They can be used in any space marine army and cost 300 points

Here is the rules for the tank:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/a/achilles.pdf

I would refuse to play against it, until I see the updated rules. For armies that rely on S8 weapons for anti-tank, it's just stupidly resilient. Stick a Techmarine in one, and it will repair faster than an entire battery of Exorcists can hurt it.

That thing is one of the most fethed up things to come out of Forge World. I wouldn't touch it with a stick.

Sure, if I have a superheavy tank-killer to bring

I see...

I was thinking of putting one with the tank and also adding Extra Armor, I know most people are not gonna like it..

trade off as that it is 300 points to run it and it carries only six models.

Very nasty though.

Well...atleast it does not have an Assault Ramp...annoying to kill though...
I'd the best use for it is to park it on an objective with some scouts or something inside to be able to effectively claim an objective that has no cover from enemy fire.
I would play against it once, then no more if its totally overpowered, though my guess is that it looks worse than it is.

I really wouldnt mind it for one or two friendly games as my nids and eldar have a few MC's and I like a challenge but after that, I think we would find it OP by a long shot and if you put it back on the table I would simply leave

What in the name of the Emperor is this monstrosity?

Still, the Thunderfire Cannon isn't as scary as I thought it was....


But...NOT AFFECTED BY LANCE OR MELTA SPECIAL RULES!?!?!? My poor Zoanthropes!

I also notice that like almost every other Space Marine model Forge World makes, the Blood ANgels can't have it...

I play tournies, so that being said I don't have to deal with it as it wouldnt be allowed Oo. Take that LRA ...

Ya BA players are crap out of luck , Not Blood Angels compatible. Other then that its a large point sink 300 points ouch, yes I know you get protection agianst melta and lance weapons , as well as a -1 on the damage charts but imho its not worth the points and cargo capacity is 6. Go with any other land raider save the extra 50 points.

I would pay 300 points for a near-guaranteed objective capture if it came down to pure performance with no concept of overall balance, enjoyability or fun. If you do something wild and zany like put that thing in cover it's effectively invincible and simply not worth even trying to kill. Capacity of 6 is enough to have small unit of troops that basically gives you an objective forever.

So...



If this was in the marine dex's now I would take three and piss on people.

I think the -1 on the damage chart was a bit much.

I like it,not sure when i will be able to afford one though.I would be having several conversations with my friends at my flgc,as it is a beast with the special rules and people may/may not be ok with me fielding it in a list.The way i roll dice,combined with the way my luck runs,it would not kill much and would end up scrapped by turn 3/4 anyway.

Its so dumb it makes my head hurt. So against say,..... ORKS, how exactly do we take one out? Im curious. Because other then getting really lucking with a boss + pk/DCCW, Im failing to see how we would go about it. The TFC isnt so scary against Orks when its the dex version yes, but stuck inside an almost unbreakable LR, Im betting you guys would find that TFC a bit more scary.

Nope, wouldnt play against it.

Didn't we have a thread of this already?

It can still be Wrecked....by Lascannon.....wait no it cannot....you could immobilize and weapon destroy to death....it only has 3 weapons.....

Well a Railgun would kill it....question is does the Railgun get the +1 for AP1......
if all Melta bonuses are nerfed...like less than 6in gets an extra dice...it should not limit the AP1 bonus on the Damage table....?? Does it protect against AP1?

Orks could kill it with the Shock Attack Gun.....Not sure about Psykers....

Still a tough bastard with written all over it....i am usually a fan of FW models and rules....but this is a bit over the top

Id play against it though....

This thread is full of girlymen who are afraid of losing.


Use it! And use it often. It's one of the more silly things FW has released of late (not as silly as the Minotaur, mind you) - but I think it looks great. Who gives a damn what it's rules are - it's got a huge boss cannon on the front and cool looking armour.

The Achilles is one of the few units that gives Forgeworld a bad name, and mars their other perfectly fine units. IT's not just that it's powerful, it's simply not expensive enough for how powerful it is.

I wouldn't refuse to fight against it though. It would be great fun getting my Carnifexes close enough to wreck it.

@HBMC
Preach on, brotha!
Put on your big boy pants and play the game here, you cheese crying sissy-boys!

Haha, seriously though, it is fine. People get upset about everything that comes out and looks tough on paper. There are ways to beat it. And zoeys being made? Why, you still have one of the best weapons to destroy it.

It isn't tournament capable and it isn't that bad. A smart player finds a way to overcome instead of throwing a tantrum.

Besides, this isn't even as bad as some of FW's stuff. The old Krieg flame mortars that FORCED units to fall back with no check? Yeah.

Hades Breaching drill? 50 points, son. Much worse.

Dreadnaught drop pod? Give me the Achilles any day over an army of Dreads in Drop pods.

FW stuff is always either grossly over or underpowered, they make beautiful models and gak rules. For casual gaming, the Achiles is fine and I would love the chance to try and take it down with any army.

You would hear no complaints from me.

Big boy pants? Afraid of losing? Seriously? What crappy arguments.

It's overpowered cheese and not wanting to play against it is being intelligent. It's preemptively avoiding a ridiculous model and all the frustration that goes with it.

You could always just have it count as a normal land raider, it's too cool to just have it on a shelf.

I am glad I bought it hahaha,

This thing is just so broke in my opinion but that is why it will be so fun playing against my friends and all them.

Then Again.. I think its more of an objective holder and intimidation tank but I'll see when I start running it

H.B.M.C. wrote:This thread is full of girlymen who are afraid of losing.

It's less a question of losing than it is of being boring. If the closest thing to winning against this unit is just ignoring it and letting it attack with impunity, that is bad game design.

Reecius wrote:Haha, seriously though, it is fine. People get upset about everything that comes out and looks tough on paper. There are ways to beat it. And zoeys being made? Why, you still have one of the best weapons to destroy it.

It isn't tournament capable and it isn't that bad. A smart player finds a way to overcome instead of throwing a tantrum.

Would you mind thinking about what you're saying instead of just accusing people of whining? We've been over this: if you're using one of the armies that relies upon S8 weapons for anti-tank work, the only way to reliably damage even one of these is to play another army.

Reecius wrote:@HBMC

Haha, seriously though, it is fine. People get upset about everything that comes out and looks tough on paper. There are ways to beat it. And zoeys being made? Why, you still have one of the best weapons to destroy it.

It isn't tournament capable and it isn't that bad. A smart player finds a way to overcome instead of throwing a tantrum.

You got that right man, when I look at it, it looks tough, but I always get that feeling of like on las-cannon or a rail-gun hitting it and blowing it to bits.

If it happens, it happens. Nothing in this game is invincible... well maybe an emperor titan.... hmmm....

Exactly, it is not invincible! Haha, and refusing to play it is such a wimpy way to play this game....it is a game after all!

And people, I and HBMC were being SARCASTIC! I know it is hard to pick up in the net, but come on, no need to get riled up.

If someone ever refused to play me because of a single model I would laugh. Find a way to win, every army in the game has a way to destroy this tank, or to contain it. If you don't see what it is, look harder.

Simply throwing your hands up and saying no, you won't play against it is the lazy man's way out.


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@AlexHelker
OK, I'll bite. Name an army and I will tell you how to destroy this tank. Maybe that will make your attitude less defeatist. And I don;t say that to insult you, please don't take it that way, but if you read what you have written, your attitude is just that.

Reecius wrote:OK, I'll bite. Name an army and I will tell you how to destroy this tank. Maybe that will make your attitude less defeatist. And I don;t say that to insult you, please don't take it that way, but if you read what you have written, your attitude is just that.

Sisters of Battle.

Reecius wrote:OK, I'll bite. Name an army and I will tell you how to destroy this tank. Maybe that will make your attitude less defeatist. And I don;t say that to insult you, please don't take it that way, but if you read what you have written, your attitude is just that.

Unfortunately, speaking like that is theorycrafting in a vacuum. I play Tyanids, and this thing is pretty much invincible.

Hive Guard? Strength 8, so it'll take a longass time.
Carnifexes? Good luck getting them near it with the rest of the army to worry about.
Zoanthropes in a pod? Guaranteed there will be a Librarian in there with a hood. Even then, their lance ability loses lance, to it's a bit harder to penetrate.

That said, I'd play against it. Variety is good, and having a tough nut to crack on occasion can be interesting. I'd honestly love trying to kill it, but I don't think I'd have much of a chance.

It doesn't matter if it's mathematically impossible or possible. It's not realistically probable and just frustrating to even deal with. Park one of these things in cover on an objective and it is for all intents and purposes invincible. At that point the best strategy is to simply not bother. No amount of shooting that can kill it is worth diverting from everything else on the board. One model and a cheap troops choice has effectively purchased you an objective.

This is not fun, and it's only practical to say 'No, I will not play against that.'