tetrisphreak wrote:
Shock Cannon is a "Blast" weapon? Wow. That makes so little sense when the projectile is a spear with a single thread of electric cable connected to it. Not saying you're wrong as i obviusly haven't seen the book. But that IS strange.

To the folks who don't understand the boons of a larger synapse bubble:

I can infiltrate my lictors and genestealers (should i choose to use these). When they inevitably get shot at, as long as i'm not in syanpse I'm not fearless - they can go to ground for a 3+ or 2+ cover save. On my turn, I cast dominion and move to within synapse for the vanguard - they gain fearless and immediately stand up, with no restrictions on movement or assault. They proceed to run out of the crater they were in and actually do something for a change - get into melee.

 pretre wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
3. Nice. So take this guy, give him the Norn Crown and Dominion. 30" synapse. Hilarious, but also kinda pointless.

Unless shadows and synapse are the same bubble. muhahahaha

MadmanMSU wrote:
Not sure I'm getting this right, but...

Deathleaper is HQ.
Deathleaper is Ind. Char.
Deathleaper can join units.
Deathleaper can only be shot at with snap shots.
Ergo..
Unit he shoots at can only be hit by snap shots?

Maybe?

 streamdragon wrote:
Assuming you, ya know, get to actually take your cover saves. Or there is unoccupied cover within range of what you're trying to charge (which makes your opponent sort of bad, honestly).

It's a nice trick, but hardly something for me to ooh and ah over, especially when a Flyrant can achieve the same thing by zooming.

davethepak wrote:
The Good

* There are still a lot of things we don't know, and some of these things could make a big impact.
. . .
* Shrikes and flying rippers are prolly still in.
* we may have a few EMP weapons.
. . .
* sounds like the new big bug might actually have AP2,although short range.
. . .
* venomthrope may have shrouded, and can grant it.
* deathleaper might be fun to use, and build some sort of list around.
* Onslaught might open up some good combos.
* some of the leaked warlord traits are good.
* zoeys may have ML2 and brotherhood of psykers.
* Blinding venom, while not useful for wounds (poison 6?) can be used per model, so you might be able to throw in a few blind attacks (only need to hit to force checks) in a swarm of gargs.
* there may be some good combos out there - brood lord horror to pin enemy unit so stealers can charge through cover. etc.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

to Bob Marley:

Brotherhood of Psykers on Zoanthropes? how does that work? Only 1 warp blast from the unit now, no matter how many models are in it?

 streamdragon wrote:
Assuming you, ya know, get to actually take your cover saves. Or there is unoccupied cover within range of what you're trying to charge (which makes your opponent sort of bad, honestly).

It's a nice trick, but hardly something for me to ooh and ah over, especially when a Flyrant can achieve the same thing by zooming.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:

MadmanMSU wrote:
Not sure I'm getting this right, but...

Deathleaper is HQ.
Deathleaper is Ind. Char.
Deathleaper can join units.
Deathleaper can only be shot at with snap shots.
Ergo..
Unit he shoots at can only be hit by snap shots?

Maybe?

I don't remember him being an IC, just a character.

Soemthing I remember and I haven't seen mentionned : the tyrant powers : Old adversary is now for the tyrant only , and only close combat! The power that used to give +1 to reserve rolls and outflank a troop unit is now only the outflanking part, and the horror one is a ld malus against fear IIRC.

 kirsanth wrote:

davethepak wrote:
The Good

* There are still a lot of things we don't know, and some of these things could make a big impact.
. . .
* Shrikes and flying rippers are prolly still in.
* we may have a few EMP weapons.
. . .
* sounds like the new big bug might actually have AP2,although short range.
. . .
* venomthrope may have shrouded, and can grant it.
* deathleaper might be fun to use, and build some sort of list around.
* Onslaught might open up some good combos.
* some of the leaked warlord traits are good.
* zoeys may have ML2 and brotherhood of psykers.
* Blinding venom, while not useful for wounds (poison 6?) can be used per model, so you might be able to throw in a few blind attacks (only need to hit to force checks) in a swarm of gargs.
* there may be some good combos out there - brood lord horror to pin enemy unit so stealers can charge through cover. etc.

I laughed out loud reading these.
Really.

 SHUPPET wrote:


Well looking at it the other way, if a decked out Prime joined his unit I imagine it would still apply.

davethepak wrote:

And the Ugly

* The Possibility of no BRB powers.
* S3 weapons in a lot of places....sounds like designed to kill tau and guard.
* malenthropes are still terrible (but FW has a new bundle for them).
* The relics are incredibly under par from any recent books.
** Was I expecting a biomorph that granted a 3++ and EW? Of course not, that would be....a space marine.

Jackedup wrote:So looking at the Codex right now, it seems to be a slightly weaker version of Cruddace's.


Synapse and Shadow in the Warp:

Instinctive behaviour is now hunt, lurk, and feed. Terrible things happen when you roll a 1-3 to check behaviour, from units attacking themselves to actually falling back. You need t roll a 6 on the behaviour check to get the old Rage bonus, for "feed" units. Overall, synapse is now way more important.

Shadow in the Warp gives enemy psykers -3 LD when within range.

The HQ Options:

For starters, I note there's no rule that makes the Tervigon a troop choice. They are HQ, and you pretty much have to surrender a Hive Tyrants to take one. The only real upside is that they produces the same 'Gaunts you use as a troop choice, along with all the upgrades. Sorry, I am blind (see replies below). For every brood of 30 (all 30) Gaunts you can get one as a troop choice.

It's interesting to see Deathleaper as a HQ choice, and at 130 pts only snap shots can be taken at him. Not bad, but he lacks synapse. The Swarmlord is now 285 pts, with little in the way of new features to recommend it. The Tyranid Prime at 125 pts is a bit pricey, since it also chews up a HQ slot, and Old One Eye is a similar waste of a HQ slot.


The Troops:

Termagant broods up to 30 now, with a lot more options. Genestealers remain a bit rubbishy, and seem to need synapse (although they do have Ld 10). Warriors have a bigger range of guns (but note there's still nothing in the whole book with skyfire). Overall, nothing to see here. Move on.


Fast Attack:

The Harpy (135 pts) and Crone (155 pts) are what everyone's looking at I suppose. Harpies haven't changed much, except the screech now gives the enemy -5 Init. There is no more giant spore mine bomb. The Crone is basically a flying flamer, with Str 5 Haywire missiles. I think you'll be taking them, because there's really no anti-air option otherwise.

Raveners seem to have lost rending.


Elite:

Hive Guard cost upped by 5 pts, not many rules changes. They have a Haywire gun they can take now. I am kind of sorry to lose the Ymgarl Genestealers, as I liked the flavour, but gone they are.

The venomthropes are kind of awesome, with their shrouded rule and poisoned 2+ attacks. But will you drop Hive Guard to take them? I dunno...

The Haruspex is built to rip apart infantry mobs, and little else. It has a Str 6 tounge (assault 1), and 3 attacks. Each unsaved wound gives it another attack. And it heals back its bank of 5 wounds for every wound it inflicts, and can also take regen. It's a little bit specialised for my tastes, at 160 pts.


Heavy Support:

Mawlock is the biggest improvement IMHO. Dropped to 140 points, and if it doesn't clear the area the S6 AP2 hit happens AGAIN. It also ignores cover now. Mind you, if it doesn't clear the area on the second try, you get a mishap roll. It also can't burrow on the very first turn like before, and loses the option for Regen.

The Trygon has gone up to 190 points, lost one attack, and...yeah. That's it. Everything else is the same. The Trygon Prime might actually see more use, there being a bigger need for synapse now. But 230pts is kind of extreme just for the synapse, no?

The Exocrine (170 pts) is kind of awesome, with Assault 6, Str 7, AP2 shots. Or it can drop a big blast. Park its butt for a round, and it's +1 BS. The Tyrannofex is dropped to 175 pts....

Well a few things have been fixed about the old Codex. Warriors have flesh hooks as an option, which are assault 'nades. The Lashwhip adds +3 init instead of dropping things' init to 1, which I think is better.

The Carnifex is down to 120 pts, and its Hammer of Wrath does D3 attacks which is nice.

Double ST just gives one more attack. No re-rolls...

Ripper Swarm:

39 pts for 3 bases, +13 pts per base

WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 2 A 4 Ld 5 Sv 6+

May take Spinefists, toxin sacs, adrenal glands, and deep strike.

Genestealers come with Rending claws, but yu can buy ST for 4 pts per model

Hormagaunts are Fleet, Move Through cover, and have bounding leap (run +3 inches)

Warriors are 30 points per model (I don't have the old book on me to refer)

Warrior stats are:

WS 5 BS 3 S 4 T 4 W 3 I 4 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+

Yes, there are Haywire weapons. The flying Crone has Haywire missles, and the Hive Guard can buy a Haywire "shock cannon". Also, the electroshock Thorax swarm is now Haywire.

The Lictor's Pheromone trail says any model can drop within 6 inches of it when deep striking without scattering (again, don't have the old book here to compare, sorry)...

One pair of talons gives you the amazing standard attack as stated on the profile, at AP 6.

Heavy Venom = 36', Str 9 AP 4, Assault 1 Blast

Venom = 36', Str 6 AP 4, Assault 1 Blast

Zoanthropes have Warp Blast psyker power. Takes 2 charges, and is 24' Str 5 AP 3, Assault 1 Blast, OR 18', Str 10, AP 2, Assault 1 Lance...

The Lictor doesn't scatter when deep striking. The flesh hooks have lost rending. Overall it uh...sucks I think. But it IS 50 points!...

Further clarification: The Lictor has rending claws (one set), and one set of ST. It has flesh hooks (assault 2, user Str), stealth and Hit and run, phermone trail, infiltrate, and move through cover. Stats are: WS 6 BS 3 S 6 T 4 W 3 I 6 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 5+...

Deathspitter 18', Str 5, Ap 5, Assault 3

Zoanthropes are a psychic brotherhood (level 2), that always know warp blast. So they generate one more.

Speaking of which I just noticed: The Tervigon is now 195 points, and is mastery level 1. So its psyker powers got nerfed a bit I think.

The new mechanic in the book is that instinctive behaviour is now lurk, feed, and hunt. Basically lurk means camping there, feed is assault, and hunt is shooting. If you fail leadership and they go on instinct, something bad happens on a 1-3 (lurkers fall back, shooters go to ground, feeders attack one another). On a 4-5 its something like can only assault, can only shoot, etc. On a 6 they gain a small bonus (feeders get rage, lurkers get stealth, shooters get preferred enemy.

The Prime still boosts the warriors as always...

The Trygon tunnel is the same as before (mark it, others come out from it, blah blah).

Tyranid melee weapons come as pairs. Each pair is a single melee weapon. A tyranid mist fight with TWO pairs of ANY melee weapon to gain a bonus attack for using two weapons. A Ravener with two pairs of ST gains a bonus attack, or a Stealer with rending claws and a pair of ST does as well.

Crushing claws gives + 1 Str, AP 2, Armourbane, and Unwieldy

Shrikes are still around, with 5+ save...

Some other points (again, sorry this is in bits and pieces, I am sneaking glances):

No Doom of Malantai, No Parasite. No mycetic spore. I do see the Red Terror is back (if he hits 4 times, he swallows a guy).

Warlord Traits:

1 - Nature's Bane - At the beginning of each movement phase, select one jungle within 12' of the warlord. It becomes carnivorous for the game.

2 - Heightened Senses - Warlord and Nids within 12' have Night Vision.

3- Synaptic Linchpin - Warlord has 18' synapse

4 - Mind Eater - 2 VP for independents slain by warlord in a challenge.

5 - Digestive Denial - After deployment, pick one piece of terrain on opponent's side that was NOT paid for. Cover save worsens by one. (4+ becomes 5+, etc.)

6 - Adaptive Biology - Warlord gains FNP (5+) on next movement phase after it suffers a wound. (For rest of game)...

Back again. Okay, some quick answers:

Zoanthrope Issue - A Zoanthrope brood follows all the rules for Brother hood pf Psykers except that the unit has a Mastery level of 2. In addition, if a brookd of Zoantrhopes uses the Warp Blast power, the number of shots fired is equal to the number of zoanthropes in that brood. (eg 3 Zoanthropes would make the burst and lance profiles assault 3)

Doom is gone, parasite is gone, mycetic spore is gone. Ymgarl stealers are gone, but the "ymgarl factor", of giving a special boost each assault round (+1 Str, +1 atk, Improve armour save by 1), can be purchased as a bio-artefact for 40 points.

Spore mines and shrikes are still around, and Red Terror is back. Gargoyles still have blinding venom, can buy toxin sacs and adrenal glands.

I don't see options to improve the Hive Tyrant's carapace to a 2+ save anymore, or any other HQ's for that matter. Looks like you'll need the Ymgarl Factor.

Tyrannofex rupture cannon is 30 points, 48' range, S 10, AP4, Assault 2

The tail morphs are:

Bone Mace, S 8, AP - , Unwieldy

Prehensile Pincer, S 6, AP 5

Thresher Scythe, S 4, AP 4, Rending

Toxinspike, S 1, AP 6, Poisoned 2+

A tail attack allows a single added attack, resolved separately from a model's other close combat attacks. It doesn't benefit from other melee weapons, biomorphs, etc.

Hive Tyrant stat line:

165 pts, WS 8, BS 4, S 6, T 6, W 4, I 5, A 4, Ld 10, Sv 3+ ( Interesting: You now have to pay 20 points for lash / whip, or it comes with two sets of ST)

FOC as follows:

HQ - Hive Tyrant, Swarmlord, ld One Eye, Tervigon, Tyranid Prime, Deathleaper

Troops - Warrior, Genestealers, Termagants, Hormagaunts, Ripper Swarm

Elites - Hive Guard, Lictor, Zoanthrope, Venomthrope, Haruspex, Pyrovore (Ha ha! Pyrovore "Elite"!)

Fast Attack - Shrikes, Raveners, Red Terror (as part of ONE Ravener brood), Sky Slasher, Gargoyle, Harpy, Hive Crone, Spore Mine Cluster (how mines are "fast" attack is beyond me)

Heavy Support - Carnifex, Biovore, Trygon and Prime, Mawlc, Exocrine, Tyrannofex

Powers of the Hive Mind:

1. Catalyst - 1 charge

Blessing that targets psyker's unit and up to one other friendly within 12'. Targets gain FNP.

2. The Horror - 1 charge

Malediction targeting single enemy unit within 24'. Target takes a pinning test at -2 Ld

3. Onslaught - 1 charge

Blessing that targets a single friendly unit within 24'. Unit can both run and shoot in the shooting phase.

4. Paroxysm - 1 charge

Malediction targeting single enemy unit within 24'. Target's WS and BS reduced by D3 (roll once for both)

5. Psychic Scream - 1 charge

Nova power, 6'. For each target unit, roll 2D6+ 2 and subtract Ld. Unit suffers wounds equal to result, no armour or cover saves.

6. Warp Blast - 2 charges

Witchfire power, either burst or lance. This is the standard Zoanthrope Warp Blast.

 SHUPPET wrote:

 kirsanth wrote:

davethepak wrote:
The Good

* There are still a lot of things we don't know, and some of these things could make a big impact.
. . .
* Shrikes and flying rippers are prolly still in.
* we may have a few EMP weapons.
. . .
* sounds like the new big bug might actually have AP2,although short range.
. . .
* venomthrope may have shrouded, and can grant it.
* deathleaper might be fun to use, and build some sort of list around.
* Onslaught might open up some good combos.
* some of the leaked warlord traits are good.
* zoeys may have ML2 and brotherhood of psykers.
* Blinding venom, while not useful for wounds (poison 6?) can be used per model, so you might be able to throw in a few blind attacks (only need to hit to force checks) in a swarm of gargs.
* there may be some good combos out there - brood lord horror to pin enemy unit so stealers can charge through cover. etc.

I laughed out loud reading these.
Really.

It really does seem quite miserable that we have so little to look forward too that we have to twist the nerfs, maybes, and irrelevants into postitives.

 wyomingfox wrote:
A compilation of Jackup's posts from the Tyranid Hive Thread

1-8-14: The Tyranid Hive

http://thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/44731/6th-codex-unimpressive-first-glance?page=4#ixzz2ppCAPESe=undefined&page=1

Jackedup wrote:So looking at the Codex right now, it seems to be a slightly weaker version of Cruddace's.


Synapse and Shadow in the Warp:

Instinctive behaviour is now hunt, lurk, and feed. Terrible things happen when you roll a 1-3 to check behaviour, from units attacking themselves to actually falling back. You need t roll a 6 on the behaviour check to get the old Rage bonus, for "feed" units. Overall, synapse is now way more important.

Shadow in the Warp gives enemy psykers -3 LD when within range.

The HQ Options:

For starters, I note there's no rule that makes the Tervigon a troop choice. They are HQ, and you pretty much have to surrender a Hive Tyrants to take one. The only real upside is that they produces the same 'Gaunts you use as a troop choice, along with all the upgrades. Sorry, I am blind (see replies below). For every brood of 30 (all 30) Gaunts you can get one as a troop choice.

It's interesting to see Deathleaper as a HQ choice, and at 130 pts only snap shots can be taken at him. Not bad, but he lacks synapse. The Swarmlord is now 285 pts, with little in the way of new features to recommend it. The Tyranid Prime at 125 pts is a bit pricey, since it also chews up a HQ slot, and Old One Eye is a similar waste of a HQ slot.


The Troops:

Termagant broods up to 30 now, with a lot more options. Genestealers remain a bit rubbishy, and seem to need synapse (although they do have Ld 10). Warriors have a bigger range of guns (but note there's still nothing in the whole book with skyfire). Overall, nothing to see here. Move on.


Fast Attack:

The Harpy (135 pts) and Crone (155 pts) are what everyone's looking at I suppose. Harpies haven't changed much, except the screech now gives the enemy -5 Init. There is no more giant spore mine bomb. The Crone is basically a flying flamer, with Str 5 Haywire missiles. I think you'll be taking them, because there's really no anti-air option otherwise.

Raveners seem to have lost rending.


Elite:

Hive Guard cost upped by 5 pts, not many rules changes. They have a Haywire gun they can take now. I am kind of sorry to lose the Ymgarl Genestealers, as I liked the flavour, but gone they are.

The venomthropes are kind of awesome, with their shrouded rule and poisoned 2+ attacks. But will you drop Hive Guard to take them? I dunno...

The Haruspex is built to rip apart infantry mobs, and little else. It has a Str 6 tounge (assault 1), and 3 attacks. Each unsaved wound gives it another attack. And it heals back its bank of 5 wounds for every wound it inflicts, and can also take regen. It's a little bit specialised for my tastes, at 160 pts.


Heavy Support:

Mawlock is the biggest improvement IMHO. Dropped to 140 points, and if it doesn't clear the area the S6 AP2 hit happens AGAIN. It also ignores cover now. Mind you, if it doesn't clear the area on the second try, you get a mishap roll. It also can't burrow on the very first turn like before, and loses the option for Regen.

The Trygon has gone up to 190 points, lost one attack, and...yeah. That's it. Everything else is the same. The Trygon Prime might actually see more use, there being a bigger need for synapse now. But 230pts is kind of extreme just for the synapse, no?

The Exocrine (170 pts) is kind of awesome, with Assault 6, Str 7, AP2 shots. Or it can drop a big blast. Park its butt for a round, and it's +1 BS. The Tyrannofex is dropped to 175 pts....

Well a few things have been fixed about the old Codex. Warriors have flesh hooks as an option, which are assault 'nades. The Lashwhip adds +3 init instead of dropping things' init to 1, which I think is better.

The Carnifex is down to 120 pts, and its Hammer of Wrath does D3 attacks which is nice.

Double ST just gives one more attack. No re-rolls...

Ripper Swarm:

39 pts for 3 bases, +13 pts per base

WS 2 BS 2 S 3 T 3 W 3 I 2 A 4 Ld 5 Sv 6+

May take Spinefists, toxin sacs, adrenal glands, and deep strike.

Genestealers come with Rending claws, but yu can buy ST for 4 pts per model

Hormagaunts are Fleet, Move Through cover, and have bounding leap (run +3 inches)

Warriors are 30 points per model (I don't have the old book on me to refer)

Warrior stats are:

WS 5 BS 3 S 4 T 4 W 3 I 4 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 4+

Yes, there are Haywire weapons. The flying Crone has Haywire missles, and the Hive Guard can buy a Haywire "shock cannon". Also, the electroshock Thorax swarm is now Haywire.

The Lictor's Pheromone trail says any model can drop within 6 inches of it when deep striking without scattering (again, don't have the old book here to compare, sorry)...

One pair of talons gives you the amazing standard attack as stated on the profile, at AP 6.

Heavy Venom = 36', Str 9 AP 4, Assault 1 Blast

Venom = 36', Str 6 AP 4, Assault 1 Blast

Zoanthropes have Warp Blast psyker power. Takes 2 charges, and is 24' Str 5 AP 3, Assault 1 Blast, OR 18', Str 10, AP 2, Assault 1 Lance...

The Lictor doesn't scatter when deep striking. The flesh hooks have lost rending. Overall it uh...sucks I think. But it IS 50 points!...

Further clarification: The Lictor has rending claws (one set), and one set of ST. It has flesh hooks (assault 2, user Str), stealth and Hit and run, phermone trail, infiltrate, and move through cover. Stats are: WS 6 BS 3 S 6 T 4 W 3 I 6 A 3 Ld 10 Sv 5+...

Deathspitter 18', Str 5, Ap 5, Assault 3

Zoanthropes are a psychic brotherhood (level 2), that always know warp blast. So they generate one more.

Speaking of which I just noticed: The Tervigon is now 195 points, and is mastery level 1. So its psyker powers got nerfed a bit I think.

The new mechanic in the book is that instinctive behaviour is now lurk, feed, and hunt. Basically lurk means camping there, feed is assault, and hunt is shooting. If you fail leadership and they go on instinct, something bad happens on a 1-3 (lurkers fall back, shooters go to ground, feeders attack one another). On a 4-5 its something like can only assault, can only shoot, etc. On a 6 they gain a small bonus (feeders get rage, lurkers get stealth, shooters get preferred enemy.

The Prime still boosts the warriors as always...

The Trygon tunnel is the same as before (mark it, others come out from it, blah blah).

Tyranid melee weapons come as pairs. Each pair is a single melee weapon. A tyranid mist fight with TWO pairs of ANY melee weapon to gain a bonus attack for using two weapons. A Ravener with two pairs of ST gains a bonus attack, or a Stealer with rending claws and a pair of ST does as well.

Crushing claws gives + 1 Str, AP 2, Armourbane, and Unwieldy

Shrikes are still around, with 5+ save...

Some other points (again, sorry this is in bits and pieces, I am sneaking glances):

No Doom of Malantai, No Parasite. No mycetic spore. I do see the Red Terror is back (if he hits 4 times, he swallows a guy).

Warlord Traits:

1 - Nature's Bane - At the beginning of each movement phase, select one jungle within 12' of the warlord. It becomes carnivorous for the game.

2 - Heightened Senses - Warlord and Nids within 12' have Night Vision.

3- Synaptic Linchpin - Warlord has 18' synapse

4 - Mind Eater - 2 VP for independents slain by warlord in a challenge.

5 - Digestive Denial - After deployment, pick one piece of terrain on opponent's side that was NOT paid for. Cover save worsens by one. (4+ becomes 5+, etc.)

6 - Adaptive Biology - Warlord gains FNP (5+) on next movement phase after it suffers a wound. (For rest of game)...

 gorgon wrote:

davethepak wrote:

And the Ugly

* The Possibility of no BRB powers.
* S3 weapons in a lot of places....sounds like designed to kill tau and guard.
* malenthropes are still terrible (but FW has a new bundle for them).
* The relics are incredibly under par from any recent books.
** Was I expecting a biomorph that granted a 3++ and EW? Of course not, that would be....a space marine.

The explanation for this -- and other examples of individual infantry models having EW -- goes back to something I said before. Sometimes you have to look at the game like it's a narrative to get inside the studio's mind.

To the studio, other armies are proper protagonists and antagonists that get to have proper 'heroes' and 'villains'. Meanwhile Tyranids are just an animalistic adversary to be overcome. It's heroic and cinematic to have some level 1 librarian taking down a Trygon or Tervigon with a single swing of his force weapon, so that's acceptable. It's also heroic and cinematic for some SM officer suffer enormous blows from a Carnifex that should have pulverized him and keep fighting, so that's acceptable also. The EW rule is an expression of cinematic heroics/villainry.

It is what it is. I'm not really even griping about it, it's something I've come to accept in their approach to the game. I happen to like the new regen and catalyst for boosting durability, FWIW.

DO IT TO IT wrote:
The Crone has Fire Warrior armor and can be grounded? I wish I hadn't ordered one...

davethepak wrote:
Regardless, the nid relics do not even come close the the bar set by recent books.

davethepak wrote:
Regardless, the nid relics do not even come close the the bar set by recent books.

 Anpu42 wrote:
To me it looks like we are going to be getting alot of Starship Toopers like senarios, at least with the Swarm Armies.
Hundreds of bug charging across the field Fearlessly as I throw either buckes of bolter shot at them [or flashlights] hoping that I kill enough before they get into Melee. Then me Praying that the bug roll bad and me good rolling good. Then the Big Bugs showing up to finish me off.

 ductvader wrote:
even a prime is much more than some chapter master or autarch.

 Anpu42 wrote:
To me it looks like we are going to be getting alot of Starship Toopers like senarios, at least with the Swarm Armies.
Hundreds of bug charging across the field Fearlessly as I throw either buckes of bolter shot at them [or flashlights] hoping that I kill enough before they get into Melee. Then me Praying that the bug roll bad and me good rolling good. Then the Big Bugs showing up to finish me off.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Oh has the point cost for the bio-artifacts been posted?
PE-granting claws = 15, the poisoned gun 25 and others are about 40. That's too much for the ymgarl one I feel ....

 ductvader wrote:

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
Oh has the point cost for the bio-artifacts been posted?
PE-granting claws = 15, the poisoned gun 25 and others are about 40. That's too much for the ymgarl one I feel ....

Did we reach a conclusion about Shadow and Synapse range always being equivalent?

Ymgarl one? I feel that one is made for a prime and well costed for him.