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Have you ever noticed something like this at a tournament or a FLGS?

A game I was watching between marines + tyrannids was in full swing, and I was one of many watching. After a few turns, I noticed that the tyrannid player was performing exceptionally well on his dice rolls. And then I noticed that he would do something like this. "Ok I have 20 attacks..." and then he picked up about 23 dice. I know you may say that I miscounted, but after a few turns I was convinced about it. I whispered this in the ear of another observer, who, after another few turns also agreed and noticed this as well.

We didn't see the point in raising this, as he would have just denied it, but it was easy to see why the tyrannid player won. Have you ever noticed this at your store? It was nothing short of blatant cheating, and the Marine player just had no luck at all of his own during that game.

It happens quite often in FLGS , not so much in tournament if people are watching ( or if they know each other, im guessing too much consequences when caught )

But usually the younger players , take w/e opportunity to cheat just to get a win.

I haven't seen this myself, however I can imagine it happening.

I make a point of announcing and counting the dice needed into a cup before throwing them, to avoid mistakes.

Kilkrazy wrote:I haven't seen this myself, however I can imagine it happening.

I make a point of announcing and counting the dice needed into a cup before throwing them, to avoid mistakes.

I too do that , but not for sake of showing my opponent that im not cheating.

I just grab the dice in 5's
Oh KK is a mandril now

Well I did see a unit of IG veterans disembark from the side hatch of a Chimera, and other thing where people take advantage of new players.


//Edge

I lay the dice I am going to roll on the table in groups of fives, different colors for different weps etc. After rolling I pick up misses and leave hits for all to see. I prefer when an opponent to do the same, however if they do not I just watch the dice as I play. I have seen a few people who make "mistakes" regularly, and granted maybe they are just bad at math. The community where I game is pretty good as a whole though!

the thing i see most is people lying about distance measured by either doin it fast or when the other person is not looking. Its crazy. This is a tabletop game, why do people feel the need to cheat?

I will never understand cheating in a game with no tangible reward for winning.

If there was money invovled, while I would still look down on cheating, I would at least see the motivation for it.

The only cheating I've come across in games against me is a Goblin player who magically kept sprouting madcap shrooms that I'm sure he didn't pay for. I didn't play that person ever again.

I'm not afraid to call people out on it in my own games. If I was a spectator, I would likely just whisper into the opposing players ear about how they are being cheated and let them bring it up if they see fit.

I've seen this. We have 2 players in our FLGS who are kind of notorious for cheating, and this is their favourite trick, pretty much.

It's a hard one to prove, of course, but we usually just let them play each other anyway, so it doesn't impact on the rest of us too much.

I had one person that ALWAYS rolled his dice behind terrain. Miraculously, he spent his first two games saving almost everything and wounding with most of his shots, and he crushed me. I didn't even suspect anything until after the second game (I just thought that he was lucky), and I wasn't even sure if he was cheating. Our third game I did the same thing he did (although I didn't cheat), and he got all nervous and started rolling openly on the table. I tabled him after that.

This rarely happens at my FLGS as we only have 3 tables to play on at time. There are usually 15 people there that know the rules that are not playing when the tables are in use and they love watching the games, helping in rules, and commenting when one is not following the rules haha.

I don't know if it qualifies as cheating, but a bunch of people I play against manage to "misread" the scatter die. When they measure it typically ends up a good 15-20 degrees off where it should be, but one guy will alter the direction by about 50 degrees! I know it's impossible to be perfect, and we typically try to roll as close to the model in question as possible, and use a tape measure to keep a straight line, but the player(s) in question will twist the ruler around then claim I'm trying to cheat them. I am not in any way trying to brag, but I have near-perfect hand-eye coordination, and my measuring device almost never shifts: if it does, I start over. But I can't stand when people adjust the scatter role to suit them when their measurement is blatantly wrong. Some of these guys refuse to even admit they are making mistake and accuse me of being TFG or say I'm being a hard@**. I don't mind a slight mistake to the measuring, but an obvious cheater who says that I'M cheating THEM pisses me off.

*answered my own question of whether this is "cheating" or not

We've got this guy who regularly fails to tell us what he is rolling for. Reserves, wound allocation, terrain movement, ect ect. Does it two games in a row even after constant (polite) reminders and then after effective deepstriking in a manner that disallows him to place his units effectively, causing mishap, throws a fit over the ruling.

The most flagrant bit of cheating I have experienced was someone who used a higher than agreed amount of points.

It was a really tough game, and despite me putting my best units in the best places I still scraped a loss. As it became obvious that I was going to lose, I noticed something was amiss and I started working out a rough estimate, and I realised he had at least an extra 200pts or so in his army (in a 1500pt game)

I pointed this out to him after the game and he just said, "yeah? whatever.." or some other nonchalant reply. To my reply of "what was the point of us actually playing?" he just shrugged his shoulders. What made it worse was that he was one of those 'ground pound' players who go "yeah!!!!" really loudly whenever good something happens, so by default they should be automatically thrown into a pit of long metal spikes (even without the cheating!)

I accidentally cheated once. When I was still new to the game I used a measuring tape that we brought from china. However Later we realised that the tape had inches that were 3 cms long (that's about 1/5th longer than the normal inch) when a group of Space Marines couldnt rapid fire at me, but I was able to charge them with Berserkers. Ever since then I share my tapes and dice with my opponent, if the items are going to be wrong, at least we'd be wrong together.

We've never had the dice problem though. We always pool our dice together and whenever non-special rolls are made (I.e: all the weapons are the same) we all help count it out. Then again there's really no reason to cheat when your opponent gets 5 consecutive 1's on a bi-hourly basis.

Had guy claim his Waagh was in effect for a turn and a half, (me not knowing the Ork codex very well, figured it was right, turns out it was Ghazgull's Waagh that does that) he proceeds to survive a hellacious amount of fire power in his Boyz squad and manages to get a draw out of an obvious (in hindsight) win for me.

Same dude had 40 Nobz in one squad, in a battle wagon, I was sure glad that he was allowed to play at the last 'Ard Boyz

OnTheEdge wrote:Well I did see a unit of IG veterans disembark from the side hatch of a Chimera, and other thing where people take advantage of new players.


//Edge

Oh! That happened to me when I was playing my first few games at GW. i didn't really knew a lot last summer about the rules and codices and I'm still learning !

There was a marine player at our local tournament who had 4-5 near identical lists (same size units, different equipment) that let him tailor his army vs different forces (not a strict Wysiwyg event).

His meltas vs Guard and SM suddenly would morph to flamers vs orks and nids..

The look on his face was priceless when he got swept by my Nids despite this, but then he swept my brand new and beautifully painted (as best I can paint anyway) Trygon Prime off the table (by 'accident' but so hard it hit the floor 10 feet away in pieces) in a fit of pique. I don't think he's been back, but it was an expensive price to pay for it (still cheap to never see him again though )

timetowaste85 wrote:I don't know if it qualifies as cheating, but a bunch of people I play against manage to "misread" the scatter die.

I would give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the scatter dice as it can be really hard to read sometimes. Unless you get right over it, which is hard to do on a table, you will always get a bit of parallax. The problem is that both players have the opposite view from different sides of the table. Whilst the opponent may only be 10 degrees off or something you will think it is far more, as the dice looks skewed from your angle but their meassuring looks equally skewed as well. Sometimes I think games shold have a tennis style umpire, that would give a nice view of the game for things like this.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Ever since then I share my tapes and dice with my opponent, if the items are going to be wrong, at least we'd be wrong together.

Made me laugh, sounds like the last line of a romantic comedy.

Last time I played against DE, my opponent had about 100pts extra in his army by accident. Not a big deal tho.. It was an honest mistake.

SteamAlchemist wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:Well I did see a unit of IG veterans disembark from the side hatch of a Chimera, and other thing where people take advantage of new players.


//Edge

Oh! That happened to me when I was playing my first few games at GW. i didn't really knew a lot last summer about the rules and codices and I'm still learning !

Well It is a learning process I find it so sad when people take advantage of new players. This kid that was cheated played one of his first games with his new Blood Angels, this was when the WD dex came out, and after the match he was so put down that he didn't want to play Marines anymore. Worst part must be that the store manager just laughed and asked if they even knew the rules...no wonder the shop closed soon after


//Edge

Maybe more of a nitpick, but when people are supposed to roll the dice and instead just tip them into the lid we use for dice rolls. OH GEE, THAT'S A LOT OF SIXES AIT LAWL.

When I played Fantasy I left dice lots out by 5s to avoid accidentally cheating.

I cheat by accident a lot. I wonder if it's in my nature.

J-Roc77 wrote:I lay the dice I am going to roll on the table in groups of fives, different colors for different weps etc. After rolling I pick up misses and leave hits for all to see. I prefer when an opponent to do the same, however if they do not I just watch the dice as I play. I have seen a few people who make "mistakes" regularly, and granted maybe they are just bad at math. The community where I game is pretty good as a whole though!

This.

If it's hand to hand with a large number of models with many attacks (like Berzerkers), I'll divide the dice into clumps for each guy. So 10 Zerkers + Skull Champ = 9 clumps of 4 white dice, and 1 clump of 4 red dice. Then I'll tell the opponent what is meant to be what and why they're getting that number of attacks (ie: "9 Zerkers, 2 A base, weapon in each hand, charging bonus, so 4 attacks each. 1 Skull Champ, 3 base, charging bonus, 4 attacks.") Then I roll the dice, plucking the misses, and leaving the "hits" on the table.

I don't like when people pluck the hits and leave the misses. If they do this fast, you have to assume something shady is going on.



People also cheat a lot with movement. They'll move the model while they move the tape. I don't buy this crap at all. I measure from the front of the model, then put my finger at the point I'm moving it to, then move the model. This way, I'm moving EXACTLY 6 or 12 or 18 whatever inches. No more, no less.

I've been accused of it before, mainly because my dice rolls tend to be above average but I always offer to let my opponent use my dice to prove they aren't loaded.

Now I just make it a habit of counting out loud.
"30 attacks total so, 2 , 4, 6, 8, . . . 30 dice"

There's a game system out there, I think a CMG, that allows you to use your opponent's
dice if you so choose.

That is incredibly lame of any player. I prefer to have people roll no more than 15 dice at a time, because I know what that amount of dice should look like. Why play to cheat? Pathetic

I never thought of the extra dice thing before but can see this being a pretty effective way of cheating. Especially with horde armies were you are using a lot of dice and you can easily squeeze in two or three extra.

I will have to start paying more attention from now on to how many dice people actually roll.

It's a shame that some people need to define themselves by playing with toys. I've never understood why someone would sell themselves just to win a game.

I always ensure my opponent knows exactly what I am doing - including when counting dice. Always assume that your opponent will try to accuse you of cheating and do whatever you can to NOT give him the opportunity. Even when playing against friends - that way you don't get out of the habit.

rolling the wrong number of dice happens. everyone miscounts at times, just reroll with the right number.

Things i try to do to avoid making mistakes:
1) pick up misses, leave the hits, ask opponent to check before proceding
2) talk out what you're doing.

They still happen, but if you're saying it, the opponent should help catch it! It takes 2 people to have a game : )

I mean it could also come from misreading rules. A popular tourny goer last year misread al raheems move shoot move thing... and instead of rolling d6 for the second move... he always moved six! Simple misread... But I wouldn't call it cheating.

Now... if he continues to do this everygame after this... then you should question it.

I'd just be careful calling mistakes cheating... even though its a fuzzy line