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The fluff says that they have eaten many galaxies before and that we're just another one on the list. Do you think that our galaxy has put up the best fight so far? And do you think that we are the most diverse galaxy they have come across? Or do you think we're just another yummy morsel for the hive fleet?

Perhaps, but who knows? After all, we're not told anything about the other galaxies they've been to.

I really cant guess as to what mightve been in those other galaxies there just to much that can be left to the imagination. Personally im of the belief that the Tryanids are a sentient weapon left by the old ones as a last ditch "feth you" towards the Ctan, I.e by eating up all of existence and producing loads of soulless lil bugs they deny the Ctan there "soul harvest", Although to be honest I dont get how / why the Ctan harvest life perhaps they use it as an energy source ?. But back on topic I wouldnt be to surprised if the "hive mind" is one of the few remaining old ones, and its trying to eat up humanity because theyve been touched by Ctan corruption what with the pariah gene.

OR potentially the hivemind is eating up everything to safeguard all of creation from an unforeseen threat which is EVEN greater then anything weve seen, a failsafe left by the old ones as it where.

Excuse the hyperboles but when it comes to the Hivemind I get quite excited .

CommissarCandlestick wrote:Perhaps, but who knows? After all, we're not told anything about the other galaxies they've been to.

Seconded.

The other galaxies possibilities are as limitless as the imagination. Though on the logical approach, maybe looking at their various features could give hints as to what they have devoured before.

What made fethin carnifexs then?! *imagination runs wild*

I think each galaxy is extremely different from other galaxies, so Tyranids have to re-adapt every time they enter another galaxy.

Maybe the Tyranids were able to take down other galaxies with less effort,since the Impirium is probably the largest organised defence they had to face.

ChronoCupcake wrote:I really cant guess as to what mightve been in those other galaxies there just to much that can be left to the imagination. Personally im of the belief that the Tryanids are a sentient weapon left by the old ones as a last ditch "feth you" towards the Ctan, I.e by eating up all of existence and producing loads of soulless lil bugs they deny the Ctan there "soul harvest", Although to be honest I dont get how / why the Ctan harvest life perhaps they use it as an energy source ?. But back on topic I wouldnt be to surprised if the "hive mind" is one of the few remaining old ones, and its trying to eat up humanity because theyve been touched by Ctan corruption what with the pariah gene.

OR potentially the hivemind is eating up everything to safeguard all of creation from an unforeseen threat which is EVEN greater then anything weve seen, a failsafe left by the old ones as it where.

Excuse the hyperboles but when it comes to the Hive-mind I get quite excited .

technically we don't know if nids have no soul, remember they are still animals without the synapse creature they become animals -instinctive behaviour, who says they have no soul -

also necrons and nids are very much the same if you think about it, they both eat planets energy and lifeforce of others, they both expand and conquer all planets for their leaders - there was an idea that the nids are actually a creation of a c'tan who went insane and made them so he can eat planets and souls without leaving his main home-

also there was a picture (lost it) where a whole hive fleet simply ignored 1 world (looked like a deathstar) in my eyes that was a necron world and nids simply dont care for them - if the nids were a creation of the old ones wouldn't they attack necrons at first sight

DA's Forever wrote:What made fethin carnifexs then?! *imagination runs wild*

It is very likely that the tyranid creatures have evolved to the point they look nothing like the original creature. Just an idea I had haha.

That's true - consider that in 3rd/4th edition Zoanthropes came from Eldar biomass, Biovores from Ork biomass, and Tyrant Guard from Space Marine biomass, they take traits they want, but it doesn't end up looking anything like the original life form.

I would say based on the evidence seen so far the other galaxies couldn't have put up nearly as much resistence as the races occupying the milky way are. Reason the hive mind is supposedly an all remembering entity that memorizes past foes and strategies. The initial tactics that the Imperium used at Macragge completely caught them of guard, relatively simple hit and run tactics allowed the tau to defeat a hive fleet (a small one but still a hive fleet nonetheless) and the orks of octarius have been holding the tyranids at bay in an indefinite stalemate. This suggests that the hive fleets opposition to this point has been either:
A) signifigantly less numerous
B) far less intelligent and advanced
C) scattered, isolated or otherwise unable to unite against the common threat they faced.

I'd say its probably a combination of all these things. I would say that they have never faced a race as numerous, tenacious, indomitable and warlike as the orks and have never faced an organization or empire as vast and cohesive as the imperium. The very fact that the hive fleet is learning and adapting to relatively simple stratagies suggest that it is highly unlikely any other galaxy has put up signifigant resistance until now.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

DA's Forever wrote:What made fethin carnifexs then?! *imagination runs wild*

It is very likely that the tyranid creatures have evolved to the point they look nothing like the original creature. Just an idea I had haha.

I actually thought it was a general need for a destructive battering ram to blast through structures. This would likely leave room for the theory that races which Tyranids have conquered prior to visiting the Milky Way, had structures which were strong, and were impenatrable to standard Tyranid infantry. This represents the S9, given to carnifexes.

Each other organism can be evaluated in a similar manner, I.E. Gargoyles, on planets whose cities could've been similar to Bespin from Star Wars (who knows, the 'Nids could've eaten the Star Wars galaxy by now), would be deployed where standard gaunts could on be only used in very limited numbers.

In this way, almost any organism from the Tyranid Codex can be given background, allowing for a Hive Fleet/Swarm to be given personality.

Lord Solar Awesome wrote:The fluff says that they have eaten many galaxies before and that we're just another one on the list. Do you think that our galaxy has put up the best fight so far? And do you think that we are the most diverse galaxy they have come across? Or do you think we're just another yummy morsel for the hive fleet?

You have to remember that the Tyranids' own codex contains little more than a long string of "And Hive Fleet X was obliterated at great cost to a fleet comprised of [proceeds to list only the smallest and most token fragment of the respective races forces]." A single space marine chapter brought down one, with mild casualties. Then went and brought down the most destructive fleet to have yet appeared, with only minor reinforcements. A small Eldar expedition hunted down and destroyed a hive fleet that was outside of Imperial space. A single craftworld managed to weather a hivefleet relatively unscathed. A ramshackle flotilla comprised of conscripted merchant freighters led by a handful of warships from two Imperial worlds destroyed yet another, with a good fragment of the flotilla coming through intact. Even the Tau, with their inconsequentially small military, have managed to take out splinter fleets. Only the smallest fragments of the Imperium suffer from the Tyranids, and in doing so they obliterate entire Hive Fleets in return.

Since the Tyranids practically define "failure," even more than Abaddon does, I have a very hard time believing that they've consumed more than their home galaxy (if even that, they could well have left it with their tails between their legs if there was anything able to so much as raise a gun sharing it with them), unless there's been nothing more dangerous than some particularly fierce rabbits inhabiting those galaxies.

^ You forgot the time that a fleet of ork ships wiped one out
Pwned by ork ships?? How disgraceful, nids!

The Tyranids define evolutionary concepts. They evolve in order to face and overcome whatever obstacle their targets throw at them. With that fact as a starting point, it seems clear that this galaxy is tougher than others encountered, because Tyranid evolution is not yet up to the task of destroying it, whereas they WERE able to devour whoever came before. So I'd say they developed to the point where they were able to gobble previous galaxies, but are still perfecting the evolution needed to swallow the Milky Way.

Tyranids also might "throw" some battles to gather intelligence on what weaknesses the enemy acts upon first, what tactics and weapons they use..... I have no fluff proof of this just another idea. Also what I would do if I was the hive mind

xXSir MontyXx wrote:Tyranids also might "throw" some battles to gather intelligence on what weaknesses the enemy acts upon first, what tactics and weapons they use..... I have no fluff proof of this just another idea. Also what I would do if I was the hive mind

You can see this indirectly in how they throw waves at the enemy. Each wave learns from the latter and they adjust their tactics accordingly.

Bjorn_Stormwolf02 wrote:I would say based on the evidence seen so far the other galaxies couldn't have put up nearly as much resistence as the races occupying the milky way are. Reason the hive mind is supposedly an all remembering entity that memorizes past foes and strategies. The initial tactics that the Imperium used at Macragge completely caught them of guard, relatively simple hit and run tactics allowed the tau to defeat a hive fleet (a small one but still a hive fleet nonetheless) and the orks of octarius have been holding the tyranids at bay in an indefinite stalemate. This suggests that the hive fleets opposition to this point has been either:
A) signifigantly less numerous
B) far less intelligent and advanced
C) scattered, isolated or otherwise unable to unite against the common threat they faced.

However, also consider that the Tyranids had no idea what the inhabitants of this galaxy were like militarily. Behemoth made one big thrust into the galaxy - a simple tactic, which let them see what tactics would be employed against them. Doing one major push let them more easily see how races would respond to an attack, and then the following hive fleets could change initial tactics accordingly.

-Loki- wrote:

Bjorn_Stormwolf02 wrote:I would say based on the evidence seen so far the other galaxies couldn't have put up nearly as much resistence as the races occupying the milky way are. Reason the hive mind is supposedly an all remembering entity that memorizes past foes and strategies. The initial tactics that the Imperium used at Macragge completely caught them of guard, relatively simple hit and run tactics allowed the tau to defeat a hive fleet (a small one but still a hive fleet nonetheless) and the orks of octarius have been holding the tyranids at bay in an indefinite stalemate. This suggests that the hive fleets opposition to this point has been either:
A) signifigantly less numerous
B) far less intelligent and advanced
C) scattered, isolated or otherwise unable to unite against the common threat they faced.

However, also consider that the Tyranids had no idea what the inhabitants of this galaxy were like militarily. Behemoth made one big thrust into the galaxy - a simple tactic, which let them see what tactics would be employed against them. Doing one major push let them more easily see how races would respond to an attack, and then the following hive fleets could change initial tactics accordingly.

imo all 3 current major hive fleets are just testing the races of the galaxy and gathering intelligence, at least that seems to be what is implied. What makes or breaks the Tyranid threat is how the mother fleet does, though I doubt GW will ever get there.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Lord Solar Awesome wrote:The fluff says that they have eaten many galaxies before and that we're just another one on the list. Do you think that our galaxy has put up the best fight so far? And do you think that we are the most diverse galaxy they have come across? Or do you think we're just another yummy morsel for the hive fleet?

You have to remember that the Tyranids' own codex contains little more than a long string of "And Hive Fleet X was obliterated at great cost to a fleet comprised of [proceeds to list only the smallest and most token fragment of the respective races forces]." A single space marine chapter brought down one, with mild casualties. Then went and brought down the most destructive fleet to have yet appeared, with only minor reinforcements. A small Eldar expedition hunted down and destroyed a hive fleet that was outside of Imperial space. A single craftworld managed to weather a hivefleet relatively unscathed. A ramshackle flotilla comprised of conscripted merchant freighters led by a handful of warships from two Imperial worlds destroyed yet another, with a good fragment of the flotilla coming through intact. Even the Tau, with their inconsequentially small military, have managed to take out splinter fleets. Only the smallest fragments of the Imperium suffer from the Tyranids, and in doing so they obliterate entire Hive Fleets in return.

Since the Tyranids practically define "failure," even more than Abaddon does, I have a very hard time believing that they've consumed more than their home galaxy (if even that, they could well have left it with their tails between their legs if there was anything able to so much as raise a gun sharing it with them), unless there's been nothing more dangerous than some particularly fierce rabbits inhabiting those galaxies.

Oh my god that was awesome


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ChronoCupcake wrote:I really cant guess as to what mightve been in those other galaxies there just to much that can be left to the imagination. Personally im of the belief that the Tryanids are a sentient weapon left by the old ones as a last ditch "feth you" towards the Ctan, I.e by eating up all of existence and producing loads of soulless lil bugs they deny the Ctan there "soul harvest", Although to be honest I dont get how / why the Ctan harvest life perhaps they use it as an energy source ?. But back on topic I wouldnt be to surprised if the "hive mind" is one of the few remaining old ones, and its trying to eat up humanity because theyve been touched by Ctan corruption what with the pariah gene.

OR potentially the hivemind is eating up everything to safeguard all of creation from an unforeseen threat which is EVEN greater then anything weve seen, a failsafe left by the old ones as it where.

Excuse the hyperboles but when it comes to the Hive-mind I get quite excited .

technically we don't know if nids have no soul, remember they are still animals without the synapse creature they become animals -instinctive behaviour, who says they have no soul -

also necrons and nids are very much the same if you think about it, they both eat planets energy and lifeforce of others, they both expand and conquer all planets for their leaders - there was an idea that the nids are actually a creation of a c'tan who went insane and made them so he can eat planets and souls without leaving his main home-

also there was a picture (lost it) where a whole hive fleet simply ignored 1 world (looked like a deathstar) in my eyes that was a necron world and nids simply dont care for them - if the nids were a creation of the old ones wouldn't they attack necrons at first sight

Actually it does say that the Tryanids have no soul, and merely share a tiny fragment of the hive minds check the latest Tyranid dex, Tyranids and Necrons should team up imo Necrons eat souls Tyranids eat the bodies and planets they both win and we lose . Tyranids avoid Necrons because they cant digest Necrodermis properly something about it either expending more energy to digest then it provides or it just being utterly undigestable or something, Anyway's my point was that there a creation of the old ones to try a different strategy against the Ctan, think how the alpha legion was tasked with destroying humanity by siding with Horus so that the humanity would cave in and kill itself in 2 generations and effectively kill chaos as it no longer has any food, In a similar way if the Tyranids eat up everything and everyone the Necrons have nothing to harvest and simply shut off, and then they can be absorbed as well, regardless its just random speculation its not like I have anything concrete to back this up.

We won't know much about the threat of the Tyranids until Ordo Xenos gets their codex I believe. How much information could they possibly know; since its known they've fought tyranids quite alot of times.(Which will be the same edition likely, that a focus is expecially on Tyranids. Return of Genestealer Cults anyone?)

At the moment the imperium has encountered several 'tendrils'/hive fleets. whats going to happen when the origin (main fleet/cloud) of these tendrils reaches the imperium?
Thats going to be the end


Dan

Unless the Ordo Xenos is plotting something?

Hmmm... interesting lol, they may be

Dan

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:You have to remember that the Tyranids' own codex contains little more than a long string of "And Hive Fleet X was obliterated at great cost to a fleet comprised of [proceeds to list only the smallest and most token fragment of the respective races forces]."

Indeed - in the 5th edition codex anyway. Cruddace really seems to hate Tyranids with the fluff he retconned for 5th edition.

Also, lets put a few of these into perspective here.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:A single space marine chapter brought down one, with mild casualties. Then went and brought down the most destructive fleet to have yet appeared, with only minor reinforcements.

The Ultramarines lost their entire veteran company, nearly all of that equipment (including their Terminator armour), not to mention the Space Marines from other companies that defended the polar defenses. They lost a huge amount of the entire sectors Imperial Guard Auxillery forces, and a huge amount of the Ultima Segmentums fleet. Behemoth was beaten, but the Ultramarines, and the Ultima Segmentum as a whole, hardly suffered mild casualties. They still haven't recovered from them.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:A small Eldar expedition hunted down and destroyed a hive fleet that was outside of Imperial space. A single craftworld managed to weather a hivefleet relatively unscathed.

Iyanden was nearly destroyed before Deus Ex Yriel appeared. They lost a huge amount of their population - the reason they now have so many Wraithguard and Wraithlords.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Even the Tau, with their inconsequentially small military, have managed to take out splinter fleets. Only the smallest fragments of the Imperium suffer from the Tyranids, and in doing so they obliterate entire Hive Fleets in return.

The Tau defeated one splinter fleet, with an Imperial Crusade backing them up. An imperial crusade and a huge force of Tau beating a small splinter fleet - go team!

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Since the Tyranids practically define "failure," even more than Abaddon does, I have a very hard time believing that they've consumed more than their home galaxy

...... that is so fething awesome its going in my signature

-Loki- wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:A single space marine chapter brought down one, with mild casualties. Then went and brought down the most destructive fleet to have yet appeared, with only minor reinforcements.

The Ultramarines lost their entire veteran company, nearly all of that equipment (including their Terminator armour), not to mention the Space Marines from other companies that defended the polar defenses. They lost a huge amount of the entire sectors Imperial Guard Auxillery forces, and a huge amount of the Ultima Segmentums fleet. Behemoth was beaten, but the Ultramarines, and the Ultima Segmentum as a whole, hardly suffered mild casualties. They still haven't recovered from them.

Dont forget there were a decent number of titans playing around.

all kidding aside I do have to agree the hive fleets are just cannon fodder testing weaknesses until the big/original fleet hits, at that time I think humanity will be in a sorry(er)state, especially considering the Hive Mind is drawn to the astronomicon like a moth to fire, but then again the ultrasmurfs will be there, so I take that back, plot armor covered ultramarines will win the day