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With the exception of the Luna Wolves, no chapter to that point had conquered more worlds, quicker and left them in better shape than the Ultramarines.
Despite being completely surprised by the Word Bearers in their treachery and the Word Bearers having scores (More than any other Chapter) of Daemons.....Guilliman whips them.
Not only does he defeat them but still has sufficient strength to come streaming for Terra....which Horus hears about, craps his terminator armor, lowers his shields and we know the rest.
After all that? While Dorn and the others throw temper tantrums? He writes the Codex Astartes and starts retaking Imperial worlds.
Does he stop there? Nope, he kills another Primarch in a duel and bombards their planet.


Face it, Roboute was the man.

I agree. He's the guy that basically saved the IoM after the Heresy and made sure that if future events unfolded where others betray the Emperor, they would not be as catastrophic as the Horus Heresy.

Roboute +1

Hear hear!

There's a lot of "playa hatas" out there, but anyone with an eye for talent and style knows who the real pimp daddy among the Primarchs is.

Monster Rain wrote:Hear hear!

There's a lot of "playa hatas" out there, but anyone with an eye for talent and style knows who the real pimp daddy among the Primarchs is.

Fulgrim?

Hell no.

That emo tranny got what was coming to him.

All things fairly, pushed aside all the trash talk about ultrasmurfs and their poster boyness, Guilliman was, next to the Emperor the most tactically gifted mind Humanity has ever produced (alright Creed comes close but hey, whaddya gonna do?)

I'll give him his props for his long list accomplishments and keeping a thriving empire in his wake even almost 10,000 years after he "died"

In my opinion he was a little pompous but I guess it comes with the territory.

I'll never forget the time Roboute Guilliman challenged a greater daemon of Tzeentch to a chess match, and, after 40 days of intellectual and tactical sparring, the smoke from the awesome battle cleared leaving Roboute holding the daemon's king piece. "Looks like someone needs to change their strategy." He said and left the room.

okay maybe he didn't do all that but you know he would have if he had to. XD

Monster Rain wrote:Hell no.

That emo tranny got what was coming to him.

I believe you mean gave Guilliman what was coming to him

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Hell no.

That emo tranny got what was coming to him.

I believe you mean gave Guilliman what was coming to him

Fulgrim didn't do it, Daemon Did! Your blaming the victim!!

DA's Forever wrote:

battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Hell no.

That emo tranny got what was coming to him.

I believe you mean gave Guilliman what was coming to him

Fulgrim didn't do it, Daemon Did! Your blaming the victim!!

No, Daemon killed Mannus. Fulgrim gave in and wasted rowboat.

+1 to space smurfs. the only chapter i would play haha.

WARORK93 wrote:
I'll never forget the time Roboute Guilliman challenged a greater daemon of Tzeentch to a chess match, and, after 40 days of intellectual and tactical sparring, the smoke from the awesome battle cleared leaving Roboute holding the daemon's king piece. "Looks like someone needs to change their strategy." He said and left the room.

Pardon my ignorance, but is that really in the fluff? I'm assuming you're joking, but if not that's awesome.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Lets keep track shall we?

With the exception of the Luna Wolves, no chapter to that point had conquered more worlds, quicker and left them in better shape than the Ultramarines.
Despite being completely surprised by the Word Bearers in their treachery and the Word Bearers having scores (More than any other Chapter) of Daemons.....Guilliman whips them.
Not only does he defeat them but still has sufficient strength to come streaming for Terra....which Horus hears about, craps his terminator armor, lowers his shields and we know the rest.
After all that? While Dorn and the others throw temper tantrums? He writes the Codex Astartes and starts retaking Imperial worlds.
Does he stop there? Nope, he kills another Primarch in a duel and bombards their planet.


Face it, Roboute was the man.

Wait, what? The Ultras absorbed the remainders of the sanctioned legions, and thus had the most marines. He basically got his ass kicked by the Word Bearers, despite outnumbering them. Horus crapped himself because the Wolves were descending on him (as he copped to being afraid of them in Prospero Burns, whereas he hasn't mentioned the turncoa- I mean Ultramarines at all (because he knew that if he won, Gulliman would make a deal and join the winning side, unlike Russ who would kick his ace no matter what. Then he wrote the codex astartes, dismantling the Imperium's ability to logistically support a real war of conquest, and rather than trying to persuade his brothers that it was a good idea, he was willing to start another civil war unless everyone did as his egotistical self demanded. Then he proceeded to fight the Alpha Legion, maybe killing one of their two primarchs, then get whupped so badly by the rest of the legion that he ran away and bombarded the planet in a fit of cowardice (also known as normal behavior, when dealing with the Bluemarines). Then he died. Hero? Hah. He was the great vacillator out of the primarchs. Dorn, Khan, Sanguinius, Russ, even Ferrus Manus's doomed heroism put Gulliman to shame with their passion, pride, and drive for the Imperium's destiny. Gulliman was a petty kingdom builder who cared more for his own glory than that of their father.

If the first post in this thread was on Facebook, I would "like" it. Guilliman is the most under-appreciated Primarch there was. Sanguinus had a more heroic death, and Dorn was fairly bad-ass (not to mention wise enough to throw in the towel v. Guillman) but nobody else is even close. People can talk all day about Kurze or Magnus or Russ, but they were all traitors and cry babies.

Dorn threw in the towel to prevent a civil war Gulliman was more than willing to prosecute to stoke his own ego, because he was a better man. And Russ was a traitor and a cry baby? The hilarity of that statement exceeds my ability to express things using words.

Bromsy wrote:Dorn threw in the towel to prevent a civil war Gulliman was more than willing to prosecute to stoke his own ego, because he was a better man. And Russ was a traitor and a cry baby? The hilarity of that statement exceeds my ability to express things using words.

That is more like your αngle of view.

Bromsy wrote:Dorn threw in the towel to prevent a civil war Gulliman was more than willing to prosecute to stoke his own ego, because he was a better man. And Russ was a traitor and a cry baby? The hilarity of that statement exceeds my ability to express things using words.

Hear, hear!

I praise him the same way I praise a succesfull police officer who neglects and beats his family.

I would rank Alpharius ahead of Guilliman for tactical acumen.

tis true that Gulliman was the tactically brilliant Primarch... well except for The Lion... oh and Horus... and Alpharius... oh I see, YOU meant STRATEGICALLY.. well nope not top dog there either, maybe Logistics? yep thats him.

Btw im not a Gulliman hater, check some of my previous posts. I think, next to Horus, he was historically the most important Primarch.


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tis true that Gulliman was the most tactically brilliant Primarch... well except for The Lion... oh and Horus... and Alpharius... oh I see, YOU meant STRATEGICALLY.. well nope not top dog there either, maybe Logistics? yep thats him.

Btw im not a Gulliman hater, check some of my previous posts. I think, next to Horus, he was historically the most important Primarch.

Face it guys, you all just secretly wish you were ultramarines

Roboute and his Ultramarines are awesome IMO, but they are too rigid in thier operation, thats the only downside of thier glory and awesomeness.

I just don't the fact the ultras popped in at the end of the Heresy and said "hey guys lets make a book of tactics and rules!" even though the only fighting they did was nowhere near Terra and was more on their front doorstep. Besides that itself shows Horus was smarter since he recognised the ultras as the biggest opponent and threw 3 other armies at them to keep them busy.

Each Primarch embodies an aspect of the Emperor. guilliman embodies his visions of utopia.

Curse the hated ultrasmurfs! Ok, guilliman was tactically astute but he destroyed the imperium by bending his knee to beareucrats who feared the strength of the astartes legions. Word bearers FTW!

Mr Nobody wrote:I praise him the same way I praise a succesfull police officer who neglects and beats his family.

ROFL!








But no srsly though I give Guilliman 2 thumbs high

WARORK93 wrote:Guilliman was, next to the Emperor the most tactically gifted mind Humanity has ever produced

alpha legions primarch(s)?
the lion?
horus?

papa smurf was best at logistics not tactics
and having 3 legions worth of troops may explain his conquest rate

I think the best quality he exemplified was in leadership. He didn't simply conquer worlds, he won devoted citizen/worlds to the Imperial might...and led an impressive array of logistics.

I take disagreement with your first post:

\Noone knows if rowboat actually killed alpharius.

Index Astartes IV wrote:It should be noted, however, that Alpharius's death is still considered suspect even by the Ultramarines, and he may still be at large.2

Even if alpharius is dead Omegon may not be & the Alphas did have TWO primarchs.

Guilliman FTW!!! He's Awesome, period.

Although the vast majority of gamers hate the Ultra's for GW promotion of them we have to admit that he was a pretty damn good man.