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 djones520 wrote:
My supervisor at my last base was giddy about his Judge. I've heard a lot of bad things about it though.

Taurus is a very inconsistent manufacturer, so when you hear people sayinf they have a great one vs them having an awful one, they're both right really. They also have pretty terrible customer service to boot.

My daily carry is a Taurus PT111 - a great little subcompact 9mm and I trust it, but I also broke it in every hard when I got it because I was wary of it due to the bad rep. I would not have felt that necessary with an XDM or Glock.

I am thinking about switching to a CZ because they also seem to make great pistols. I wish I could go Glock but the hand feel is just too weird for me, I tried and I failed to love them.

 djones520 wrote:
My supervisor at my last base was giddy about his Judge. I've heard a lot of bad things about it though.

I love the concept of it. It seems like a weapon that is designed for one purpose. Making the bad guy very, very, very sorry he was the bad guy. I feel though that my standard 9mm with hollow tips will do the same, and I don't have to worry about accuracy outside of 5 yards.

I don't intend to use this as my carry gun, it is purely an anti-snake gun. Having said that, with .45 long colt I'm getting decent groups with it at 5-10 yards.

I have a glock 26 for my carry gun.

 Ouze wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
My supervisor at my last base was giddy about his Judge. I've heard a lot of bad things about it though.

Taurus is a very inconsistent manufacturer, so when you hear people sayinf they have a great one vs them having an awful one, they're both right really. They also have pretty terrible customer service to boot.

My daily carry is a Taurus PT111 - a great little subcompact 9mm and I trust it, but I also broke it in every hard when I got it because I was wary of it due to the bad rep. I would not have felt that necessary with an XDM or Glock.

I am thinking about switching to a CZ because they also seem to make great pistols. I wish I could go Glock but the hand feel is just too weird for me, I tried and I failed to love them.

I have the XD and trust her to the extreme. Much more then the POS M9 Beretta they're sending me back to Afghanistan with. When I get home I'll finally get my carry permit, and I'll probably get an XDM.


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 CptJake wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
My supervisor at my last base was giddy about his Judge. I've heard a lot of bad things about it though.

I love the concept of it. It seems like a weapon that is designed for one purpose. Making the bad guy very, very, very sorry he was the bad guy. I feel though that my standard 9mm with hollow tips will do the same, and I don't have to worry about accuracy outside of 5 yards.

I don't intend to use this as my carry gun, it is purely an anti-snake gun. Having said that, with .45 long colt I'm getting decent groups with it at 5-10 yards.

I have a glock 26 for my carry gun.

Glocks are my second favorite. Springfields just fit the best in my hand I've found.

 CptJake wrote:
So, last week the AC went out. Guy came out about 930PM to fix it. Checks out the outside part and determines it needs a new capacitor. We walk back towards his van and all of a sudden he screams like a girl and does a little bunny hop. I'm like WTF?

He shines his light down and there is a copperhead. I'm like "Dude, keep the light on it I'll be right back!"

I run and get the Judge and BOOM!



Poor AC dude swears he'll never do another night call. He has been doing HVAC for 20 years and has somehow never run into a live snake. Between almost stepping on a copperhead and the crazy guy blow gak away he was terrified.

The judge works!

Just curious, in the picture in the upper left.... Is that the crater from the gunshot?


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I will also chime in and say that the Springfield XDM is an excellent weapon. I have a .40 one and it is by far my favorite handgun, but too bulky for a carry gun. That's what my Taurus 709 is for.

The XDM got a lot funner when I finally found a decent, all aluminum magazine extender for it. 27 rounds of .40 just makes you feel warm inside.

Yes, that was the crater. #7 shot, 2.5 inch shell.

Had to move the head into the frame, it ended up about a foot and a half further away.

Certainly did the job. How venomous is a copperhead?

Depending on species you'd likely live after being bitten, but it will be far from pleasant. Definitely want to get medical attention to avoid a large spot of necrosis.

Venomous enough that they don't need to be where my daughter or any of the animals are in danger of getting bitten (or the HVAC guy for that matter).

Nasty - Keep your eyes peeled and your Judge to hand

 djones520 wrote:
My supervisor at my last base was giddy about his Judge. I've heard a lot of bad things about it though.

I love the concept of it. It seems like a weapon that is designed for one purpose. Making the bad guy very, very, very sorry he was the bad guy. I feel though that my standard 9mm with hollow tips will do the same, and I don't have to worry about accuracy outside of 5 yards.

They are good for tactical timmies.

I have only shot one snake-it struck rusty twice and I blasted it on sheer instinct (two coats of hair is battle armor proof against snakes). All other snakes have fallen to shovels and Weiner dogs.

When my parents first bought their house, my father found two 55 gallon drums behind the garage full of ash. So, one day he goes out with the wheelbarrow thinking to get rid of them. Shovel full of ash. Shovel full of ash. Shovel full of snakes.

Shovel goes one way, Dad goes the other, comes back with the H&R and the M2.

Buckshot and burning fuel were applied liberally.

And then he went to get the fire extinguisher to put the garage out.

Sunday morning, 600 yards, bliss

Very nice range.

Bolt action 'ARs' are interesting...

 Slinky wrote:
Sunday morning, 600 yards, bliss

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Nice looking duo you're sporting there.


If you don't mind me asking, what kind of optics set up are you running?

Cheers, guys.

My AR has a 1-4 Vortex Viper PST.
My Tikka T3 has a 6.5-20 Leupold Mark 4 LR/T.

The Vortex is a brilliant scope for the price IMO.

I just got a Vortex Crossfire II. I haven't sighted it in yet, hopefully tomorrow.

It looks very nice but I didn't research and realize it was x56 (oops) so now it looks like I have a telescope on my rifle.

400% jealous of your 600 yard range. The only range I have easy access to is 100 yards which kind of sucks. There is a longer range but it's a whole thing, you have to join a club and join the NRA and pay a yearly fee, and one of those is a total dealbreaker for me. So, 100 yards.

It's a military range, so it's always very well maintained.

However in order to be allowed to use it as a civilian club we do have to jump through a few hoops...

Love that range shot, Slinky. Brings back some good memories.

And I really like the look of your Tikka ... that sounds a bit dodgy, but you know what I mean

Just had a quick Google and it seems they're extremely customizable?

So funny story today.

Out at the range with 2 buddies. First ones there and we've been shooting for about 20 minutes, when all of a sudden a 5 point Buck walks out and strolls across the range. Too bad Deer season isn't for another 6 weeks. Wasn't more than 30 yards away either.

Sadly no pictures of it

Anyway, had fun shooting a bunch of stuff. My AK and 1911. My bud's Mosin, made in 1929 and with matching bayonet, was a treat. Very little kick. He had a beast of a 308 as well, that also had basically no recoil due to a compensator you might expect on a Barret and a special stock.

I had a deer do that before too.

 Grey Templar wrote:
So funny story today.

Out at the range with 2 buddies. First ones there and we've been shooting for about 20 minutes, when all of a sudden a 5 point Buck walks out and strolls across the range. Too bad Deer season isn't for another 6 weeks. Wasn't more than 30 yards away either.

Sadly no pictures of it

Anyway, had fun shooting a bunch of stuff. My AK and 1911. My bud's Mosin, made in 1929 and with matching bayonet, was a treat. Very little kick. He had a beast of a 308 as well, that also had basically no recoil due to a compensator you might expect on a Barret and a special stock.

It's like they know.

I had an occasion once where I had a 10 point walk into the road and just stare at me, as his harem of doe's crossed. It was right smack in the middle of rifle season, I had my firearm in the back of my car. Couldn't do a thing though. So frustrating.

 djones520 wrote:


It's like they know.

I had an occasion once where I had a 10 point walk into the road and just stare at me, as his harem of doe's crossed. It was right smack in the middle of rifle season, I had my firearm in the back of my car. Couldn't do a thing though. So frustrating.

Eh. They're not that bright. They parade past my father's bedroom window every year on first day. He doesn't even have to get out of bed, just wake up when the alarm goes off, roll over, fire, and yell for my brother to go get the deer.

Hell, I had one one year, just as it went down, some clown blew the deer's head clean off it's neck and claimed it as his kill. Using a rifled 12 gauge with a hollow point slug should be illegal.

He shot a deer that was all ready shot and on the ground? I hope you pointed out your wound, and told him to feth off.


Technically, not a firearm question, but a bow one. I haven't been turkey hunting in 15 years, or deer hunting in 12. Local laws allow in-town bow hunting (lots of restrictions though). As I live on the edge of town lots of animals visit my back yard. Among them are lots of deer, turkey, and the occasional fox. How unsporting would it be to simply hang out on my roof to shoot these things with minimal effort or skill needed?

I feel like if you're shooting it to eat for dinner, then it's not really different than going to the supermarket , but with no gas needed. I would do it for sure.

 cuda1179 wrote:
He shot a deer that was all ready shot and on the ground? I hope you pointed out your wound, and told him to feth off.

Technically, not a firearm question, but a bow one. I haven't been turkey hunting in 15 years, or deer hunting in 12. Local laws allow in-town bow hunting (lots of restrictions though). As I live on the edge of town lots of animals visit my back yard. Among them are lots of deer, turkey, and the occasional fox. How unsporting would it be to simply hang out on my roof to shoot these things with minimal effort or skill needed?

Are you talking recurve or compound? Anything you can get with a recurve is fair game, shooting a deer with a compound under, say, 20 yards IS unsporting, but technically falls under the get of my lawn umbrella, so have a go at it.

 Ouze wrote:
It looks very nice but I didn't research and realize it was x56 (oops) so now it looks like I have a telescope on my rifle.

I've got an 8x56 on one of my rifles. It's gigantic and and makes the rifle useless for a lot of tasks, but it does a pretty decent job for low-light target shooting, which is what I use the rifle for. It's really dark around here for a good part of the year.

Mine's a Weaver. I can't remember the exact model, "Classic K" or something like that maybe? It had pretty good reviews for not being crazy expensive. I think a more expensive scope might have even better light transmission, but this one seems to do a decent job and I'd hate to go out and spend $1500 on something that turns out to only be marginally better.


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 Ouze wrote:
I feel like if you're shooting it to eat for dinner, then it's not really different than going to the supermarket , but with no gas needed. I would do it for sure.

That's how I tend to look at it. I've never been overly concerned with how sporting a practice is, as long as it is safe, sustainable and does not cause extra suffering for the animal.

Then again I'm a rifle hunter who's out to get meat. If I was doing something more challenging like bow hunting maybe I'd understand the sporting thing. (Not that rifle hunting can't be very challenging in some circumstances and bow hunting easy in some circumstances.)

 cuda1179 wrote:
He shot a deer that was all ready shot and on the ground? I hope you pointed out your wound, and told him to feth off.

All three heart and lung shots, but it had already been running, so you know how they are when their adrenaline is up, they don't fall right away. It had gone down, and then tried to stand up again. Whatever he had loaded blew the neck to shreds and severed the head. Had enough force that one side of the rack came off. From what I saw, it wasn't so much 'hunting deer' as 'splattering deer'.

Surprisingly was not the worst deer kill I had seen.

One year I was sitting there, and as the sun came up I realized the trees were so full of hunters it was like orange apples. I got up and left. About 15 min later a deer came through. It was hit 19 times.

There's a time and place for overkill, but I tend to reserve that for coyote.

 cuda1179 wrote:
He shot a deer that was all ready shot and on the ground? I hope you pointed out your wound, and told him to feth off.


Technically, not a firearm question, but a bow one. I haven't been turkey hunting in 15 years, or deer hunting in 12. Local laws allow in-town bow hunting (lots of restrictions though). As I live on the edge of town lots of animals visit my back yard. Among them are lots of deer, turkey, and the occasional fox. How unsporting would it be to simply hang out on my roof to shoot these things with minimal effort or skill needed?

Well in my hunters ed class we talked about sportsmanship. It’s really down to your personal view. What’s sporting for one person might not be for another. Personally, especially if your hunting for meat I don’t think the method should matter, as long as you aren’t causing undue suffering to the animal or other hunters. And of course every hunter should ensure the meat is used by someone. If you’re not eating it yourself at least donate it.


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 BaronIveagh wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
He shot a deer that was all ready shot and on the ground? I hope you pointed out your wound, and told him to feth off.

All three heart and lung shots, but it had already been running, so you know how they are when their adrenaline is up, they don't fall right away. It had gone down, and then tried to stand up again. Whatever he had loaded blew the neck to shreds and severed the head. Had enough force that one side of the rack came off. From what I saw, it wasn't so much 'hunting deer' as 'splattering deer'.

Surprisingly was not the worst deer kill I had seen.

One year I was sitting there, and as the sun came up I realized the trees were so full of hunters it was like orange apples. I got up and left. About 15 min later a deer came through. It was hit 19 times.

One good thing about CA. Not very many hunters and large areas to hunt in. Crowded hunting grounds sound like no fun at all.

Yeah, if I hunt it's for one of three reasons: To eat it, it's a pest control or dangerous animal, or it's an invasive exotic species.

You want to blast away at something just for the giggles? As long as it's pythons in the Everglades, snakehead, Asian Carp, or Eurasian Boar in the South be my guest.