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frgsinwntr wrote:one week left! and then.... I watch every local kid at my store by necrons... then sell them a week later

I can see a lot of kids doing the same at my gw. But I'm buying some lynchguard, and that's it. I'm keeping my foot army. And I see having stormlord plus 2 solar pulses in an army is going to be helpful.

yakface wrote:

zacharia wrote:

i think it is a misunderstanding, solar pulse probably does not create nightfighting on the scale of the StormBringer, but may grant it to a unit equipped with a solar pulse if you choose to activate it while it is being shot

That was exactly my point yes. Ive seen several people saying you dont need stormlord to turn on night fighting, just use a solar pulse. Currently that doesnt work except for the unit its with, but as yak said it and has access to a codex i wondered if it had indeed changed and does now work that way in the new one (turning on nightfighting for the enemy no matter what they fire at).

Yes, the Solar Pulse has changed. If used during Night Fighting, then it cancels Night Fighting for that turn (which means player turn per the rulebook FAQ). If used when Night Fighting is not in effect, then it creates Night Fighting for that turn (which again means player turn).

So a Solar Pulse (or a max of two that can be taken in the army) can be used to effectively force two of your opponent's shooting phases to use the Night Fighting rules even without the Stormlord being part of the army.

And if you use the Stormlord, you can utilize the Solar Pulses to either make two of your own shooting phases NOT use Night Fighting, or save the Solar Pulses for if/when his Night Fighting ends to punish the opponent with two more of their shooting phases suffer from Night Fighting.

How would you use a solar pulse in the enemy turn though? Might be a noobish question

Robbietobbie wrote:
How would you use a solar pulse in the enemy turn though? Might be a noobish question

It's rules specify that it can be used at the start of any turn (which means player turn).

I think the stormlords ability to seize initiative on a 4+ will see little use. You would always choose to play second in order to have an extra turn of nightfighting imposed on the enemy.

copper.talos wrote:I think the stormlords ability to seize initiative on a 4+ will see little use. You would always choose to play second in order to have an extra turn of nightfighting imposed on the enemy.

I don't know - the chance to deploy second, seize the initiative, and then alpha strike (using a solar pulse) while what's left of the enemy sits in the dark trying to shoot back could be a solid tactic.

Hmm one thing I didn't think about. The stormlords ability starts at the start of the game OR at the start of the necron player's turn? Yakface any hints on this?

Too bad this Lord is not coming back in finecast recast...



He looks awsome, I would love to have him as Cryptec in my army. Any1 knows when and in what form exatly he was avilable?
Collector's guide says : "This Necron Lord was the special edition miniature in the 2002 Necron army set." meaning he was included in some box set?
Anyway, can't find him anywhere on ebay :(

Please tell me the Lychguard have a 2+ armour save or have a super high statline I need to know why they cost 40 points.

Herr Dexter wrote:Too bad this Lord is not coming back in finecast recast...



He looks awsome, I would love to have him as Cryptec in my army. Any1 knows when and in what form exatly he was avilable?
Collector's guide says : "This Necron Lord was the special edition miniature in the 2002 Necron army set." meaning he was included in some box set?
Anyway, can't find him anywhere on ebay :(

Everytime I see him on eBay, he is very pricey $$$$$, sorry

Because they have I2 and that's overpowered (hint: sarcasm)

I can handle I2 as long as they have a good armour save.

aboytervigon wrote:Please tell me the Lychguard have a 2+ armour save or have a super high statline I need to know why they cost 40 points.

If I recall correctly they are S5 T5 with A2 and a 3+.. I would guess at WS4 as well. So something like WS4 BS4 S5 T5 W1 I2 A2 LD10 3+ would be my best guess. But I could be completely wrong.

Herr Dexter wrote:Too bad this Lord is not coming back in finecast recast...



He looks awsome, I would love to have him as Cryptec in my army. Any1 knows when and in what form exatly he was avilable?
Collector's guide says : "This Necron Lord was the special edition miniature in the 2002 Necron army set." meaning he was included in some box set?
Anyway, can't find him anywhere on ebay :(

There's at least one on eBay, listed for £40. Those Lords are very rare now, but they do pop up every now and then going for ridiculous prices.

Is Entropic Strike on Scarab Swarms confirmed? One guy who got his WD yesterday claims 'no armour eroding on scarabs'.

Wow, same statline as Pariahs for less rules and more points.

Herr Dexter wrote:He looks awsome, I would love to have him as Cryptec in my army. Any1 knows when and in what form exatly he was avilable?
Collector's guide says : "This Necron Lord was the special edition miniature in the 2002 Necron army set." meaning he was included in some box set?
Anyway, can't find him anywhere on ebay :(

He would have been in the army starter box which cost £120 or something, I forget. You got a heap of stuff and the codex and an exclusive figure. All the exclusive figures from these bulk army sets are collectible.

aboytervigon wrote:Wow, same statline as Pariahs for less rules and more points.

Pariah were not S5/T5 were they? They also had 1 attack and no equipment options. Lychguard on the other hand have access to an invulnerable save or a +2S Warscythe. And no shooting. Oh, and they have RP now. No, they're not the same at all.

Herr Dexter wrote:Too bad this Lord is not coming back in finecast recast...



He looks awsome, I would love to have him as Cryptec in my army. Any1 knows when and in what form exatly he was avilable?
Collector's guide says : "This Necron Lord was the special edition miniature in the 2002 Necron army set." meaning he was included in some box set?
Anyway, can't find him anywhere on ebay :(

I got ahold of one just recently in a trade. He was a limited edition lord that was only ever available in the old equivalent to a battle/megaforce.

Best of luck finding one!

woodbok wrote:

frgsinwntr wrote:one week left! and then.... I watch every local kid at my store by necrons... then sell them a week later

I can see a lot of kids doing the same at my gw. But I'm buying some lynchguard, and that's it. I'm keeping my foot army. And I see having stormlord plus 2 solar pulses in an army is going to be helpful.

See I like 'flashes in the pan' because you then buy it off them assembled and discounted... win/win.

I say that because I was getting back into Necrons only about two months ago and picked up 4000 (now 2500-ish) from two pissed off 'flash' Necron players for $200 and a 35pt. Warmachine army...

whigwam wrote:

aboytervigon wrote:Wow, same statline as Pariahs for less rules and more points.

Pariah were not S5/T5 were they? They also had 1 attack and no equipment options. Lychguard on the other hand have access to an invulnerable save or a +2S Warscythe. And no shooting. Oh, and they have RP now. No, they're not the same at all.

Pariahs had wargear, the warscythe just wasn't "optional" but it ignoring invulns and gettign 2d6 pen was in most cases alot better than a +2 str power weapon.

Balor wrote:Oh cool I was starting to get worried that the Necrons were going to get that bad mix of design theory. Part of the current edition and next edition but be left in the dust as something that fits outside of them both. Example 40k daemons and WHFB Beastmen

Honestly, this may already be the case. We may be overcosted for the current addition, but not as optimized as the 6th edition books to follow.

For example, is the destroyer current cost including the power they will have in 6th?
Or the deathmarks? (who are incredibly underwhelming without any codex special rules).
Or the nightscythe?

We will be paying more points now, in 5th for a hybrid, and behind the curve.
Then when 6th comes out, we will be behind the curve for the books written explicitly (i.e marines) for 6th that were not hybrid.

While, yes, including certain types of units may be good (i.e. we have two flyers), setting hybrid specific costs or abilities is bad.
How hard would it be to just add in the 6th update FAQ "destroyers are not 40 points, and have preferred enemy".

Hopefully GW will be releasing rules updates for all armies when 6th drops...as they should be doing regularly now.

Bulkoth wrote:Pariahs had wargear, the warscythe just wasn't "optional" but it ignoring invulns and gettign 2d6 pen was in most cases alot better than a +2 str power weapon.

Ignoring invulns is a big loss, but it should have been expected. With A1, it's not like Pariah were taking Hammernators out left and right. Since Lychguard can take their own 3++, it looks like they have a shot. Others in this thread had run the numbers on that combat...I believe it was almost an even match between the two.

And I thought I'd read Warscythe still gives 2D6 pen. If that's true...2+1A each at S7+2D6 = Lychguard will do much better against vehicles.

Apparently Entropic Strike is an upgrade, can someone confirm this? Does that take them above 15 points each?

I haven't seen Yakface or anyone post that Entropic Strike is an option for Scarabs. I would assume that it is part of their normal cost.

So i rushed to the store today to pick-up the new white dwarf. And yes, it was the necron edition.

Just buy the magazine it has some great new info!

Here some pics: (will remove them if deemed needed)

N.I.B. wrote:Apparently Entropic Strike is an upgrade, can someone confirm this? Does that take them above 15 points each?

There are people on this forum so far, that have their WD. I Imagine they would have said something about this, if true.

Sasori wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:Apparently Entropic Strike is an upgrade, can someone confirm this? Does that take them above 15 points each?

There are people on this forum so far, that have their WD. I Imagine they would have said something about this, if true.

I just skimmed through it and there is no mention of entropic strike begin an upgrade. There's hardly any mention of the scarabs anyway

Robbietobbie wrote:

Sasori wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:Apparently Entropic Strike is an upgrade, can someone confirm this? Does that take them above 15 points each?

There are people on this forum so far, that have their WD. I Imagine they would have said something about this, if true.

I just skimmed through it and there is no mention of entropic strike begin an upgrade. There's hardly any mention of the scarabs anyway

Yeah, they didn't even use scarabs in the battle report.. really just used all the new stuff minus the warriors.

TheNightbringer wrote:So i rushed to the store today to pick-up the new white dwarf. And yes, it was the necron edition.

Just buy the magazine it has some great new info!

Here some pics: (will remove them if deemed needed)

That first Dynasty symbol on the left looks like the symbol from the teaser video.

Bulkoth wrote:

Herr Dexter wrote:Too bad this Lord is not coming back in finecast recast...



He looks awsome, I would love to have him as Cryptec in my army. Any1 knows when and in what form exatly he was avilable?
Collector's guide says : "This Necron Lord was the special edition miniature in the 2002 Necron army set." meaning he was included in some box set?
Anyway, can't find him anywhere on ebay :(

I got ahold of one just recently in a trade. He was a limited edition lord that was only ever available in the old equivalent to a battle/megaforce.

Best of luck finding one!

Yeah I found one on ebay in April for about $50. A large chunk of change but as a Necron player, I felt I had to have him for my collection. Channeled a bit of Trazyn right there...