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So I am looking for a good, party based RPG.

I know Final Fantasy XIII (In case thats the wrong number, the one with Lightning, or the newest one) is being hailed as pretty good, but I'm just not sure about it.

Is it fun to play/is the story relevant?

Apparently it has a 20 hour tutorial, and completely linear.

That was enough to make me ignore it.

If you like games, don't play it.

If you want a spectacular looking partially interactive and insanely repetitive film then get it.

There's no 20 hour tutorial, that criticism is leveled at the part of the game that's linear. Or maybe you heard about the last tutorial 20 hours in (when the linear bit finally ends and you can select your party and do sidequests).

Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

Slarg232 wrote:Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

It has 3 or 4 disks if i recall correctly too.

Couldn't make it through the first 10 hours. Tons of useless exposition and needlessly complicated interactions between historical powers/gods/esper-things.

FF just keeps going downhill imo, most recent one I liked was 12, even though some of the character designs were... meh.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

It has 3 or 4 disks if i recall correctly too.

That doesn't bother me too much, Legend of Dragoon, my second favorite RPG EVAR had 4.

I quite like the theory I heard someone there square enix hate making videogames so make worse games each time so they will make a big enough loss to use as an excuse for purely making movies.

I don't play FF games.

Can't have more than one FINAL thing, can you?

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:I don't play FF games.

Can't have more than one FINAL thing, can you?

final fantasy

final fantasy 2: K this is the final one...

final fantasy 3: No seriously this time it ends

final fantasy 4: haa you guys fell for it! but this really is the last one

..

final fantasy 13: we leik ur moneh

Actually, the reason he first called it Final Fantasy was because it was supposed to be the dude's last, or final, game.

Of course, as you say, we all know how that turned out.

I still dislike the games and JRPG's in general

Though this is mostly because I like grimdark.

Slarg232 wrote:Actually, the reason he first called it Final Fantasy was because it was supposed to be the dude's last, or final, game.

Of course, as you say, we all know how that turned out.

I know. They could have changed the name

At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

This is true.

All I get out of it is a passing "oooh" at the cgi before going back to bioshock.

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

No it isn't. There are a metric ton of better JRPGs than ff13.

That said, I really liked the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

He keeps a chocobo in his hair, I mean... goddamn.

Play Blue Dragon, that game was awesome.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

No it isn't. There are a metric ton of better JRPGs than ff13.

That said, I really liked the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

He keeps a chocobo in his hair, I mean... goddamn.

Well theres your answer right there! A fething Chocobo in his hair!


I havnt enjoyed a FF game since X or 10 or whatever its suppose to be, I dont know I really dont care mainly because I know our numbers in America are off by alot to the Japanese versions. But even at X, I just HATED how they made characters. Orin was the only one I visually liked. He was like, Robert Downy Jr, with a big ass sword that did the first over 9999dmg Ive ever seen in the series. Infact the last time I liked the character design was in 7, after that they looked way to feminine and un realistic. Oh so that guy has "heavy" armor? Hes the tank? But he has very weedy arms, so he ouldnt possibly hold THAT up, AND his "heavy armor" is a thong, and some leather straps? Interesting.....


Ill skip it, I just cant bring myself to play those games anymore. Im glad that Bethesda has been keeping REAL RPGs alive

I have played them all and have enjoyed most of them to some extent. FF13 however was a travesty. I would convince you to play it if I could, but sadly the game is crap. If you are looking for a decent RPG, go back a few years and play Lost Odyssey on the 360.

Final Fantasy was just horrid. It was so bad, that I don't even feel like listing on the things I hated about it. Now if you never played a Final Fantasy game and enjoy a very linear game with secret treasure chests being 10 foot off the linear path, then go for it. If you are a fan of FF, stay away from it. Then again if you was a fan of FF you would have already played it and hated it.

I got about 7 hours into it before I took it back and sold it for $45.00.

KingCracker wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Manchu wrote:At least CaF is being honest. Even so, you can't take the opinion of someone who doesn't like JRPGs. It's like asking a Democrat if Sarah Palin has ever said anything remotely intelligent. But if you like JRPGs, this game is spectacular!

No it isn't. There are a metric ton of better JRPGs than ff13.

That said, I really liked the guy with the chocobo in his hair.

He keeps a chocobo in his hair, I mean... goddamn.

Well theres your answer right there! A fething Chocobo in his hair!


I havnt enjoyed a FF game since X or 10 or whatever its suppose to be, I dont know I really dont care mainly because I know our numbers in America are off by alot to the Japanese versions. But even at X, I just HATED how they made characters. Orin was the only one I visually liked. He was like, Robert Downy Jr, with a big ass sword that did the first over 9999dmg Ive ever seen in the series. Infact the last time I liked the character design was in 7, after that they looked way to feminine and un realistic. Oh so that guy has "heavy" armor? Hes the tank? But he has very weedy arms, so he ouldnt possibly hold THAT up, AND his "heavy armor" is a thong, and some leather straps? Interesting.....


Ill skip it, I just cant bring myself to play those games anymore. Im glad that Bethesda has been keeping REAL RPGs alive

I agree with that; FF "Men" are all far too scrawny to be in their roles.....

Hmmm, not giving me much hope here guys. Looks like I am stuck with waiting for Skyrim.

Slarg232 wrote:I agree with that; FF "Men" are all far too scrawny to be in their roles.....

A challenger appears!

Anyway, I love JRPGs and was profoundly disappointed in the battle system in FFXIII. If I want to mash buttons that wildly I'll play Galaga.

Monster Rain wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:I agree with that; FF "Men" are all far too scrawny to be in their roles.....

A challenger appears!

Anyway, I love JRPGs and was profoundly disappointed in the battle system in FFXIII. If I want to mash buttons that wildly I'll play Galaga.

Challenge withdrawn!

Am i the only 1 here who has partly enjoyed FF13??

I mean it sure isnt the best FF game but I still enjoy it the very little i play of it, too many other games plus uni/warhammer stuff keep me distracted.

If I want to mash buttons that wildly I'll play Galaga.

Since when does FF13 require button bashing?? A couple of presses on A and a few movement is hardly button bashing, sure the Y button is pressed but very rarely. The combat is pretty gd imo as its not a case of sit and wait for the entire bar to fill, every 3rd or so can unleash 1 attack/spell.

I will admit though it shouldnt have had Final Fantasy slapped on the case as it does fail in comparison to other FF games, but i still enjoy it none the less.

Kingdom Hearts > Final Fantasy.

Yeah, I went there.

corpsesarefun wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Twenty hours and your still running into tutorials? Ouch.

It has 3 or 4 disks if i recall correctly too.

PS3 version has less if I recall correctly.

Anyways game informer talked about the characters in the game and said that out of your entire party there is only one character that really shines. In fact they really hate one of the characters because he/she/it uses a fething boomerang as a weapon.

Overall not a good game in terms of just about anything, its really quite mediocre in what it tries to do and the basics of the story is just about the same as the other FF's. Totalitarian ruler in a city, people rebell, ruler fights back with technology, and the people use super magic nature powers to stop it.

The PS3 edition has one Bluray disc. There is no significant instance of button mashing. Whether the story telling is interesting is a matter of opinion (those who think there are better contemporary JRPGs should list them). What is certain is that the characters are extremely well-developed. FF games since 7 have rung hollow for me, especially XII. IMO, FFXIII was a novel experience and well worth the launch price. If you are looking for anything but a JRPG, however, you will be disappointed. If you ae hungry for a salad, you don't eat a steak.

I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

Manchu wrote:Whether the story telling is interesting is a matter of opinion (those who think there are better contemporary JRPGs should list them).

Resonance of Fate, off the top of my head. Besides that, give me a period of time that you'd consider contemporary, and I'll give you a list.

If we're saying the last ten years, I'd break the screen with the number of better JRPGs. For instance, every single game by Nippon Ichi.

The chief problem with FF13 is that it's missing the whole game part of the RPG acronym. You don't make any choices of any significance. You can easily get through every battle by pushing one button, and if you can't get through the battle by doing that, the solution is to go back and grind.

If it weren't for the graphics, it would be entirely without merit. It is remarkably pretty.

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

I agree. It was a fantastic game. I still dont get it when people say how terrible the game was. Yea, now a days the graphics are bad, Im talking really bad. But back in the they were pretty top notch, I mean they characters had pupils for christ sakes!

But yea, after 7, specially the Final Fantasy games, good rpgs are a bit tough to find. As I stated above, Im glad Bethesda has kept the flame burning, because they make really good rpgs, period.