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I'll take your not understanding people when they say how terrible the game was and raise you not understanding people when they say it was fantastic. The characters are either cliches or unbelievable. The story is incredibly derivative. The gameplay is, at first (and second, and third) glance not a hell of a lot different from any of the other FFs prior.

Leaving the graphics aside (I thought the characters were lego up until about halfway through, so I'm probably not the best judge of what good graphics on the early gen of PS1 games are), I really do not understand the love.

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

That is kind of sad considering that VII was the mediocre point of the FF games when looking at all of them.

If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Ahtman wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

That is kind of sad considering that VII was the mediocre point of the FF games when looking at all of them.

If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Love. If only for some deliciously over the top dialogue it had. Honestly, if some of the character designs were better it would have been a really great game.


Also, FFT is the best the best Final Fantasy game. It's been objectively proven with real science.

Slarg232 wrote:I know Final Fantasy XIII (In case thats the wrong number, the one with Lightning, or the newest one) is being hailed as pretty good

By who?

Frankly the game is worse than FFX, which was already pretty damn bad. FFXIII is a constipation log ontop of a pile of gooey normal poo inside of a tub of diarrhea crap.

Aside from Fang and Lightning, frankly the characters were pretty stupid and most of the time even damned unlikable. Sazh to a lesser extent, but Vanille is a total pain in the ass with an obnoxious attitude that is , Snow is an obnoxious twit who acts like a seven year old put into the body of a twenty year old and given a constant sugar high, and Hope... fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

Wow, I'm going to feel stupid for saying I thought it was really good now

Most of it might have been because the graphics were so prettyful, but I enjoyed it. It starts a bit slowly, but once you're into it I really liked it. I dip in and out of the FF series (played 2,4,7,10,13) but 13 is making me want to at least try the next one without a doubt.

Hope ruined the game for me. Just thinking about him makes me want to cut someone's gut open and strangle them with their own entrails. No one character in a game should turn me into a Khorne worshipper.

Ahtman wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I think FFVII ruined me.

It was the high water mark for RPGs. Everything else since then has seemed like a pale comparison.

That is kind of sad considering that VII was the mediocre point of the FF games when looking at all of them.

As sad as being an insufferable hipster? That statement is demonstrably false. How many other Final Fantasy games spawned characters so beloved that they ended up in several other games and had feature-length movies made based on them? It's the best selling title in the series.

Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

Ahtman wrote:If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Hate it.

I would agree with Monster Rain for once. FFVII was one of the best FF games in the series. A matter of taste to say if it was actually the best, but certainly without FFVII's awesomeness, there would not have really been this many FF sequels.

Of what I've played . . .

FFIII: liked it
FFIV: loved it
FFV: didn't like it enough to finish it
FFVI: loved it
FFVII: loved it
FFVIII: hated it
FFXII: hated it
FFXIII: loved it

It's the same ing thing as the rest of the crappy series. I haven't enjoyed a final fantasy since they went 3D. The third, fourth and sixth were the best, IMO.

FF7 is a fanboy's wet dream, and nothing more. It's a crappy game with a crappy story and crappy gameplay. I defend this opinion with my life.

Although, I did like that FF12 for the DS where it was an RTS. Really good. Probably the best portable RTS there is.

Monster Rain wrote:Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

No, no, I agree! May I suggest that we dine at McDonalds later? They do provide, after all, the best-selling burger in the world.

But....thats only because there is a McDonalds within 1 mile of every trailer park in the world. Seriously, look it up, youll see Im right.

It's probably the most cinematic game ever made, but if that doesn't matter to you, don't even bother with it. It's possibly one of the easiest games I've ever played, it's extremely linear (even down to character progression), and the storyline and characters are somewhat unremarkable. However, it's probably the closest a game has come to having cinematic-quality camera angles, coreography, and voice acting/dubbing. That's enough for some people to enjoy it, but not enough to me.

This is a horrible place to ask people to recommend you a JRPG. The majority of Dakkanauts are confined strictly to western RPGs, for whatever reason.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

No, no, I agree! May I suggest that we dine at McDonalds later? They do provide, after all, the best-selling burger in the world.

Way to avoid the other points I made.

I hope you don't think I'm uncool when I say that McDonald's is great for what it is.

Right, every first world country needs its cardboard burgers so the little people have something to eat that doesn't rely on horrible untalented and untrained home cooking.

Meh.

I'm classically trained and I don't mind a Big Mac now and then.

Monster Rain wrote:

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

No, no, I agree! May I suggest that we dine at McDonalds later? They do provide, after all, the best-selling burger in the world.

Way to avoid the other points I made.

Because they're irrelevant. The only thing that was exceptional about FF7, even at release, was the graphics. The story and the characters and everything else had already been done to death, even just in the FF series.

Monster Rain wrote:Meh.

I'm classically trained and I don't mind a Big Mac now and then.

Now that I agree with, as much as I hate McDonalds in all their McNasty-ness. A BigMac is just tasty

Meh, I can't stand any of the cardboard burger options in micky ds.

Anything but the specialty burgers there have been ruined for me ever since they started putting so much damn pepper on it.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:Because they're irrelevant.

They most certainly were not irrelevant.

The characters were reprised in several other games and a movie was made to continue the "derivative" story. Feel free to not like it, but it's pretty obvious when someone is just being a hipster.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:The only thing that was exceptional about FF7, even at release, was the graphics. The story and the characters and everything else had already been done to death, even just in the FF series

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/finalfantasy7/review.html
http://psx.ign.com/articles/150/150494p1.html

Some reviews of the game from the time it was released. I think we can safely say that you don't have the vaguest idea what you're talking about.

KingCracker wrote:Now that I agree with, as much as I hate McDonalds in all their McNasty-ness. A BigMac is just tasty

It's the only thing I eat there. Well, other than the fries. Their fries' deliciousness is beyond my ability to describe.

Monster Rain wrote:Their fries' deliciousness is beyond my ability to describe.

Indeed. Best fries now that Wendy's went and ruined theirs.

Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

I know that you like hyperbole, but McDonald's are far from the worst even if you're not a fan of the chain. White Castle can be objectively proven to have the worst fries with real science.

Never been to Wingstop though. If I see one I'm going to attempt to verify your claims.

Only on Dakka Dakka can a thread about a video game somehow turn into a conversation about using "real science" to prove who makes the worst fries in the world

Monster Rain wrote:Some reviews of the game from the time it was released. I think we can safely say that you don't have the vaguest idea what you're talking about.

The overall plot of FF7 is a carbon copy of FF6. The characters are, in their entirety, caricatures and cliches. The only reason it's so beloved is that it was the first, best marketted, 3d RPG.

lolololololololololol videogame journalism.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:FF6

Best.

FF.

Game.

EVER.

I don't get the trash talk about VII either. I could understand if you played it for the first time only a few years ago, but it was a pretty awesome game when it came out. The same could be said of Xenogears, but I am still enjoying it on PSN.

Monster Rain wrote:As sad as being an insufferable hipster?

You shouldn't talk about Cloud like that. Just kidding, he is an insufferable emo hipster.

Monster Rain wrote:That statement is demonstrably false. How many other Final Fantasy games spawned characters so beloved that they ended up in several other games and had feature-length movies made based on them? It's the best selling title in the series.

Cue response about popularity not being an indicator of quality in 5.... 4.... 3...

The reason you get that response is becuase it is true. The reality is that if popularity were a measure FFXI has outgrossed FFVII and been played consistently far longer.

Ahtman wrote:If you want something different and isn't like the other FF games I recommend XII. It is real time and plays different than any other FF game. It's either a love it or hate game it seems.

Hate it.

Ahtman wrote:For it's time it was a decent game and for many was baby's first RPG (thus the nostalgiagasm for it) but it hasn't aged well at all.

It wasn't my first RPG.

Either way, talking about it's "aging well" and other non-statements really don't serve much of a purpose. You don't like it, I (and many others) do.