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Actually it does serve a purpose, and it isn't a non-statement. Some works are of their time and some are timeless. FFVII worked at the time but has aged poorly. There still NES games that have held up to the the passage of time better than VII. I also didn't say I didn't like VII, just that in the scheme of Final Fantasy games, it is a mediocre entry.

Lord Scythican wrote:I don't get the trash talk about VII either. I could understand if you played it for the first time only a few years ago, but it was a pretty awesome game when it came out. The same could be said of Xenogears, but I am still enjoying it on PSN.

FF7 wasn't bad, it just doesn't live up to the hype for some of us. I just found a lot of it be just plain bland. There were games with more interesting evil empires, more interesting insane villains, more interesting worlds, more interesting casts, just more interesting everything. I'll give it credit for fun mini games, a solid soundtrack, and solid art direction outside some of the character designs. I just felt like I had seen most of what was in FF7 done before, and done better.

Heck, even FF7s biggest claim to fame (Spoiler Alert: Aeries Dies!) just didn't impact me. The character was just so bland and forgettable, it had no affect it was like "Uh so...?". Phantasy Star 4's Alys Bragwin was a far shorter lived character but managed to have much more personality and a better handled death scene. You went into Lufia II knowing that Maxim & Selan were going to die at the end, yet the game still managed to make it feel like a shock. Those are just two examples from before FF7.


I never even managed to finish FF7, despite a few tries. I always wound up getting to the Chocobo Racing, finding that far more fun than actual game and then wound up moving on to something else when I was done with it.

Ah, Lufia!

Now THERE is a game that stands the test of time. Both of its games (what? No, there's no game outside of the two, what are you talking about?) are better than the FF series.

Monster Rain wrote:

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

I know that you like hyperbole, but McDonald's are far from the worst even if you're not a fan of the chain.

For me, it wasn't hyperbole.

fething soggy ass mcdonald's fries. can't stand them.

They shouldn't be soggy.

Maybe your region's McDonald's just suck?

Monster Rain wrote:They shouldn't be soggy.

Maybe your region's McDonald's just suck?

They were soggy in California too, and in Nevada...

I wouldn't call McDonald's fries soggy so much as as Greasy and Limp. They're not exactly wet exactly but they've got no backbone and absorb way more of the frying oil than any fry has any right to.

EDIT: No way Lufia 1 is better than whole of the FF series, especially not Tactics. Lufia 1 was just OK.

I don't really consider Tactics as part of the main FF series. Nut then, I also don't consider Tactics Advance to be part of the Tactics series either...

It's not like it's a series in anything more than name.

It would probably be more accurate to say I don't even consider FFT Advance. I prefer to delude myself into thinking it doesn't exist. It helps me cope with my day, the thought of a worl dwhich doesn't have Tactics Advance.

Melissia wrote:It would probably be more accurate to say I don't even consider FFT Advance. I prefer to delude myself into thinking it doesn't exist. It helps me cope with my day, the thought of a worl dwhich doesn't have Tactics Advance.

Huh, I rather enjoyed Tactics advance on the Gameboy advance.

Wasn't the greatest thing I have played, but it was rather fun.

I loved FFTA. Marche was such a complete dick.

XII is pretty damn good compared to XIII.

Chongara wrote:FF7 wasn't bad, it just doesn't live up to the hype for some of us. I just found a lot of it be just plain bland. There were games with more interesting evil empires, more interesting insane villains, more interesting worlds, more interesting casts, just more interesting everything. I'll give it credit for fun mini games, a solid soundtrack, and solid art direction outside some of the character designs. I just felt like I had seen most of what was in FF7 done before, and done better.

Heck, even FF7s biggest claim to fame (Spoiler Alert: Aeries Dies!) just didn't impact me. The character was just so bland and forgettable, it had no affect it was like "Uh so...?". Phantasy Star 4's Alys Bragwin was a far shorter lived character but managed to have much more personality and a better handled death scene. You went into Lufia II knowing that Maxim & Selan were going to die at the end, yet the game still managed to make it feel like a shock. Those are just two examples from before FF7.

Much of the hype is post 1997 though and actually further into the 2000's. I don't remember many people over-hyping the game when it came out but this was sort of before the internet days really caught on. I still really liked it when it came out. There wasn't too many games that you could invest 100 hours into, which is nothing compared to a few games out today.

Mind you, I hate the tendency of Japanese games to have toddlers as heroes. Meh.

FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play X-2.

Lord Scythican wrote:Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play XIII-2.

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I have enjoyed all of them except for VIII, although I have not played IX.

/shrug

Lord Scythican wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play X-2.

I actually finished X-2.

Can't say the same for XIII.

kirsanth wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play XIII-2.

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I have enjoyed all of them except for VIII, although I have not played IX.

/shrug

I see what you did there.

IX was pretty good, but the graphics look a little dated. I am going to try it again with the smoothing option on the PS3.

Monster Rain wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:FFVII is the best. Haven't played XIII but i think its the worst rated FF of all of them.

Even better than VI? But yeah, XIII is the worse. I would rather play X-2.

I actually finished X-2.

Can't say the same for XIII.

Wow, you finished that game?! You are better than me.

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

No idea what Wingstop is, but yea, McDonalds fries are just horrid. I love AppleBees fries personally. Ive honestly went there just to eat their fries.

Applebee's? Everytime I've gone there, the food has been horrid, and I've ended up sending something simple (like Salad, or an appetizer) back to the cool because it was awful. Same with chili's. They've always dissapointed.

Macdonald's fries are GOD. I love them. Checker's/rally's has really good fries, IMO.

KingCracker wrote:

Melissia wrote:Ugh. Mcdonald's fries are the worst fries ever made.

Now Wingstop's fries? feth yeah.

No idea what Wingstop is, but yea, McDonalds fries are just horrid. I love AppleBees fries personally. Ive honestly went there just to eat their fries.

Wingstop is exactly what the name says. It's a hotwings place, which has some FANTASTIC cajun style fries. It's a US establishment though, mostly in Cal and Tex.

Best fries ever exist in Burger Time.


I am reading this topic still, I just don't have much to add and therfore just reading other peoples opinions. That's why I haven't posted in it in a while

I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

Manchu wrote:I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

FFXII had a very unique battle system with a ton of unlockable AI customization options, an open-ended leveling system, a great soundtrack written by one of the best composers in the business, unique character design, a huge open-ended world, and a decent politically-driven storyline (which hadn't been seen in ages). Any excuse to return to Ivalice is a good one (even if it wasn't the far superior FFT-era Ivalice). The only complaints that I find valid are that the characters weren't very well-developed (not that they had to be in the context of the game), and there wasn't much to do in the game outside of participating in combat.

FFXIII's combat system was extremely simplified in comparison to XII (Dumbed-down AI with practically no options to set, control over only a single character, and the ability to get through the entire game by simply mashing the 'Auto' function). The leveling system was a completely linear version of the Sphere Grid from X. The soundtrack couldn't even come close to anything written by Nobuo Uematsu or Hitoshi Sakimoto. The characters were mostly annoying or uninspired (The only character I really liked at all was Sazh). The game was completely linear until Chapter 12(?); you basically spent the entire game running through fancy hallways, and since the entire world is out to kill you, there is a very depressing lack of towns or NPC interaction. The storyline is actually decent (even though most of it is conveyed to you through a read-only datalog, which is unacceptable form), but since it's driven by characters that I hate, that brings it down a notch.

The only thing that FFXIII really has going for it is that it is extremely cinematic. That's it. FFXII is a far superior game from any conceivable angle. It might not be a superior interactive movie, but that's not the point.

You're acting as if "cinematic" is good.

This is a video game. feth cinematic, I want to actually play the fething game.

The Metal Gear series has the same problem, they want to tell their convoluted, fethed up mind-screw of a badly written story so bad that they forget that they're making a game instead of a movie.

Chrysaor686 wrote:

Manchu wrote:I don't get what anyone saw in FFXII. By contrast, I understand why some don't like FFXIII.

FFXII had a very unique battle system with a ton of unlockable AI customization options, an open-ended leveling system, a great soundtrack written by one of the best composers in the business, unique character design, a huge open-ended world, and a decent politically-driven storyline (which hadn't been seen in ages). Any excuse to return to Ivalice is a good one (even if it wasn't the far superior FFT-era Ivalice). The only complaints that I find valid are that the characters weren't very well-developed (not that they had to be in the context of the game), and there wasn't much to do in the game outside of participating in combat.

Melissia wrote:You're acting as if "cinematic" is good.

This is a video game. feth cinematic, I want to actually play the fething game.

The Metal Gear series has the same problem, they want to tell their convoluted, fethed up mind-screw of a badly written story so bad that they forget that they're making a game instead of a movie.

Avoid the Star Ocean games on the PS2 and further. I also agree that there are to many cinematic in some games and not enough gaming.

The first Metal Gear game was the best.

As to final fantasy, 6 is great, I liked 7 a tonne, and it was my first RPG so yes, nostalgia plays a part. The sheer scale of some of the fights though- that was something new, that was a real experience! First time you fight the giant snake, or weapon...
I hated 8, it was horrendous.
9 I really enjoyed, it had a lot of good elements, then it gaks itself at the end.
10 I could never play because I hated the characters, and then I just gave up on the series.

I liked eight, modesty speaking, but nine, seven, and everything before seven were definitely better. Ten is only surpassed by thirteen in horridness.

Melissia wrote:You're acting as if "cinematic" is good.

This is a video game. feth cinematic, I want to actually play the fething game.

The Metal Gear series has the same problem, they want to tell their convoluted, fethed up mind-screw of a badly written story so bad that they forget that they're making a game instead of a movie.

It can be good, from certain perspectives. It's certainly an achievement, at the very least. However, if I seem supportive of FFXIII at all, then you must've misread my argument completely. I said that the only good thing about FFXIII is that it manages to be the most cinematic game ever made. If that matched your particular interests, you'd probably enjoy it. Since it doesn't, you won't. Simple as that.

Melissia wrote:I liked eight, modesty speaking, but nine, seven, and everything before seven were definitely better. Ten is only surpassed by thirteen in horridness.

Purely from a gameplay perspective, FFVIII fixed every conceivable problem that a person could have with the JRPG genre, and it's intricate and ingenious system is why it remains my favorite JRPG to this day. The quality of the story is up for debate, but the actual gameplay system is a shining example of brilliance in game design. Even if you hate some of the changes from the classic Final Fantasy structure, you have to concede to their ingenuity.

FFIX was a gigantic step backwards in terms of gameplay, but it was perhaps the most nostalgic game ever made. That was one of it's few merits, as nearly nothing about IX was original whatsoever. It was a clusterfeth of Final Fantasy and other unrelated media and cultural references.

Also, what was so awful about X? The return of the turn-based system opened up new opportunities for genuine strategy, the leveling system was entirely unique, the storyline was easily one of Final Fantasy's best yet, the world was very original and inspired, not to mention all of the other awesome things that came along with the transition to the PS2. How could you possibly see it as worse than III? Or V? Or XI?

Chrysaor686 wrote:Purely from a gameplay perspective, FFVIII made every conceivable problem that a person could have with the JRPG genre WORSE

I want to actually control my fething characters, not just sit around pointing them in the vague direction of the enemy and gi8ve hints on what they might possibly want to do.

The old turn-based ones were better, at least they let you control your entire party instead of just sit there watching them do everything for you.