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I have always thought that the mechanicus need a Dex.
Gun Servitors
Praetorians
Skitarii
Electro Priests
Knights
Heavy Mech assets
Combat servitors
Magos or Tech assassins for HQ

What else could/should they add?
And would a Dex for them be a good idea?
?

Thought? Ever think about how adding too many codex's to the lineup would just cause more problems?

Either add it as an USR army option for a vanialla marine codex or don't. And merge all the friggin bloody spaze marines. And do the same for the CSM book so you can run mono god and get a bonus rather than someone playing all fluffy.

Wait, would it make GW money? That answers your question. They don't care about what we want per-say, they care about that question.

It would be a nice idea...
They don't NEED a 'dex.
They make the things people use to kill people with.
It would be nice if GW designed a codex with alternative builds in mind...

I want it enough to pay money for it, though I could settle for just adding more mechanicus units to the Imeprial Guard codex.

If they made the Techpriest able to take a contingent of Techguard or Skitari after he took a Magos upgrade (or something similar) that would be a good move methinks.

Most of my reason for this thread is loving skitarii and praetorians.

I agree that the marines need to merge tho. Just make 1 codex, and add chapter specific units in there and just make it a rule that only SW can take Thunder Wulf Cavalry for example.

Despite that, i still think mechanicus should have a dex.
Anyone read Mechanicum? When i did my head exploded from over-awesomeness.

They're a central Imperial force that has been neglected for years, of all the various factions in need of a codex in 40k they need one the most by far imo. Don't see why Dark Angels get one while they don't.

Skitarii, Myrmidon Assault Engines, Termite Drill vehicles, Praetorians, Land Crawlers, hell even Knights for bigger games. Lots of fun units could be made available.

There are some good Mechanicus fandex's online at least. The biggest issue is model conversion is a bitch.

A lot of people clamor for a Mechanicus army. A lot of other people convert their own and use IG or Marine rules for them. They're fairly popular with 40k fans.

Why is there this upsurge in people wanting AdMech?

im2randomghgh wrote:Most of my reason for this thread is loving skitarii and praetorians.

I agree that the marines need to merge tho. Just make 1 codex, and add chapter specific units in there and just make it a rule that only SW can take Thunder Wulf Cavalry for example.

Despite that, i still think mechanicus should have a dex.
Anyone read Mechanicum? When i did my head exploded from over-awesomeness.

At most there should only be 3 marine codeci.
SW BT and SM
They were made to represent the differences in organisation which neither Da or BA have enough of to warrant an entire codex to themselves.
At any rate the Mechanicus would be awesome to play but GW needs to sort out its current stuff.

Phototoxin wrote:Why is there this upsurge in people wanting AdMech?

Probably a book. The death guard surge was because of a book, and much more was as well.

juraigamer wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Why is there this upsurge in people wanting AdMech?

Probably a book. The death guard surge was because of a book, and much more was as well.

Death Guard are easy though, just slap a preheresy death guard paintjob on your models, mechanicus are more unique then that.

Harriticus wrote:They're a central Imperial force that has been neglected for years, of all the various factions in need of a codex in 40k they need one the most by far imo. Don't see why Dark Angels get one while they don't.

Uh, what?
The Mechanicus aren't a "central Imperial force". They're a "central Imperial institution which maintains standing armies on their worlds to protect their holdings". The Mechanicus isn't constantly launching assaults upon worlds or going forth into the galaxy at large to war. The closest you've got is the Explorator or Reclaimer fleets...but even then, they're usually part of a larger Imperial force and don't deploy to the surface unless absolutely necessary.

Dark Angels, however, get a codex as a matter of tradition. They've had one for quite awhile, and they're likely to keep having one.

Skitarii, Myrmidon Assault Engines, Termite Drill vehicles, Praetorians, Land Crawlers, hell even Knights for bigger games. Lots of fun units could be made available.
There are some good Mechanicus fandex's online at least. The biggest issue is model conversion is a bitch.

I hate to say it, but most of the fandex's I've seen are a travesty. If necessary, the best way to introduce and gauge interest in the Mechanicus is a Forge World list in an Imperial Armour.

purplefood wrote:
At most there should only be 3 marine codeci.
SW BT and SM
They were made to represent the differences in organisation which neither Da or BA have enough of to warrant an entire codex to themselves.

I'm happy going back to 3 Marine books: Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Angels of Death(both DA and BA).

Platuan4th wrote:

purplefood wrote:
At most there should only be 3 marine codeci.
SW BT and SM
They were made to represent the differences in organisation which neither Da or BA have enough of to warrant an entire codex to themselves.

I'm happy going back to 3 Marine books: Ultramarines, Space Wolves, and Angels of Death(both DA and BA).

That sounds pretty good...
If we had that and an Inquisition book (All 3 Ordos with support from their various militant wings) then we would be gravy.

Even better, C:Space Marines, C: Slaves to Darkness (CSM, LatD, traitor IG, chaos xenos, etc), C: The Holy Ordos. Make them 200pgs, $50 (at the rate codecies have been going up in price we'll be there in 4 years anyway, and most other game companies and systems have books like that, such as Flames of War), and then there's room in the development cycle and more importantly marketing pipeline (since books are released 4-6 months apart so allow releases their time to shine) and we've suddenly got a lot more room for new stuff, and some awesome megabooks able to make all sorts of cool army lists and packed with awesome fluff.


That said, as to a Mechanicus Dex, it's true there are many books that really just have one out of tradition rather than actually needing one to be portrayed accurately on the tabletop without a couple minor accomodations to another dex (DA, BA, BT, at the very least), and a Mechanicus dex would be cool, but honestly definitely more of a Forgeworld thing. The Mechanicus really only fights in its own defense, or as attached units to other Imperial Forces (and generally then, primarily as fire support, supplying Titans and siege weapons, not rank and fule troops). It doesn't engage in offensive operations on its own. A Forgeworld book that could then just be "tournament legalized" by GW would solve that

Kanluwen wrote:The Mechanicus aren't a "central Imperial force". They're a "central Imperial institution which maintains standing armies on their worlds to protect their holdings".

The Mechanicus isn't even an Imperial Institution. They are a separate cult of humans. Due to some finagling by the Emperor, they have something they regard as their God, the Omnissiah, which a good deal of Mechanicus think is actually the Emperor. The Emperor did this to build a relationship between the cult and the Imperium, and now they are mutually reliant on each other. But the Mechanicus definitely isn't an Imperial institution. They're more like the Space Marine chapters in that they're autonomous, but help each other when needed.

Kanluwen wrote:The Mechanicus isn't constantly launching assaults upon worlds or going forth into the galaxy at large to war. The closest you've got is the Explorator or Reclaimer fleets...but even then, they're usually part of a larger Imperial force and don't deploy to the surface unless absolutely necessary.

They definitely do go to war, generally to defend their own holdings, yes, but also in support of the Imperium (again, mutually reliant, they'll help if asked). Read 'Titanicus' when you get a chance. Large scale war is definitely something the Mechanicus does, and would fit as a 40k tabletop army perfectly. There's scope for plenty of different infantry, heavy infantry and vehicle units far different to Imperial Guard and Space Marines with the Skitarii and Cataphractii units.

However, I doubt it would ever get done. Look at how much trouble GW has keeping their current armies up to date. The only way they could fit another army in without neglecting others is if they rolled a couple of Marine books back into the main Codex Space Marines.

Kanluwen wrote:

Harriticus wrote:They're a central Imperial force that has been neglected for years, of all the various factions in need of a codex in 40k they need one the most by far imo. Don't see why Dark Angels get one while they don't.

Uh, what?
The Mechanicus aren't a "central Imperial force". They're a "central Imperial institution which maintains standing armies on their worlds to protect their holdings". The Mechanicus isn't constantly launching assaults upon worlds or going forth into the galaxy at large to war. The closest you've got is the Explorator or Reclaimer fleets...but even then, they're usually part of a larger Imperial force and don't deploy to the surface unless absolutely necessary.

Dark Angels, however, get a codex as a matter of tradition. They've had one for quite awhile, and they're likely to keep having one.

Meh I understand their role, I did not mean force as in literal military force, though they certainly are often involved in military operations. The first Word Bearers book for instance has Skitarii units more prevalent than IG regiments.

As for the Dark Angels codex being a tradition, it doesn't mean it isn't an unjustified one. My basic point was having codex's for 5 different Space Marine chapters while ignoring the Mechanicus given how important it is in the Imperium seems rather silly.

Kanluwen wrote:
The Mechanicus aren't a "central Imperial force". They're a "central Imperial institution which maintains standing armies on their worlds to protect their holdings". The Mechanicus isn't constantly launching assaults upon worlds or going forth into the galaxy at large to war. The closest you've got is the Explorator or Reclaimer fleets...but even then, they're usually part of a larger Imperial force and don't deploy to the surface unless absolutely necessary.

That is the single stupidest post i have seen on DakkaDakka.
Other than IG and SM, the mechanicus are the MOST centralized imperial force.
They are just about the only non-Astartes organisation allowed to govern imperial planets as their own.
They have such sway they are allowed to worship a deity other than the Emperor, they are the glue that patches up the cracks in the Imperium of Man.

If you have read Hellforged, there was a MASSIVE Mechanicus fleet hunting the Soul Drinkers. Nova Cannons. Nova. Cannons.

As much as I adore the AdMech in fluff, and as awesome as some units would be if put on the tabletop, I honestly don't think they'd fit into the game as well as anyone would hope. Either they'd be like a smaller and slightly stronger Guard, or they'd be a weak offshoot of Space Marines, in which case why bother with them? If you really want to play AdMech, I'm sure that nobody would have a problem with a scratch-built army utilizing a current 'dex as the base for rules, as limiting as that might sound. Besides, as already said, the current 'dex lineup needs to be seriously looked at before anything new gets tossed into the mix.

Perhaps the best way that I could see them put into the game effectively is as a detachment/expansion to the Guard in their next codex - perhaps a Magos as an HQ, with Skitarii as an Elites choice, and a Knight or some tank/walker in Heavy Support, but that's about it.

Vaktathi wrote:Even better, C:Space Marines, C: Slaves to Darkness (CSM, LatD, traitor IG, chaos xenos, etc), C: The Holy Ordos. Make them 200pgs, $50 (at the rate codecies have been going up in price we'll be there in 4 years anyway, and most other game companies and systems have books like that, such as Flames of War), and then there's room in the development cycle and more importantly marketing pipeline (since books are released 4-6 months apart so allow releases their time to shine) and we've suddenly got a lot more room for new stuff, and some awesome megabooks able to make all sorts of cool army lists and packed with awesome fluff.


That said, as to a Mechanicus Dex, it's true there are many books that really just have one out of tradition rather than actually needing one to be portrayed accurately on the tabletop without a couple minor accomodations to another dex (DA, BA, BT, at the very least), and a Mechanicus dex would be cool, but honestly definitely more of a Forgeworld thing. The Mechanicus really only fights in its own defense, or as attached units to other Imperial Forces (and generally then, primarily as fire support, supplying Titans and siege weapons, not rank and fule troops). It doesn't engage in offensive operations on its own. A Forgeworld book that could then just be "tournament legalized" by GW would solve that

Not necessarily true, as they are unimaginably aggressive against those that commit tech-heresy. They especially hate Dark Mechanicus, Orks (because of the nonsensical nature of their technology) and Tau (drones)

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
The Mechanicus aren't a "central Imperial force". They're a "central Imperial institution which maintains standing armies on their worlds to protect their holdings". The Mechanicus isn't constantly launching assaults upon worlds or going forth into the galaxy at large to war. The closest you've got is the Explorator or Reclaimer fleets...but even then, they're usually part of a larger Imperial force and don't deploy to the surface unless absolutely necessary.

That is the single stupidest post i have seen on DakkaDakka.

What, in the entire two weeks you've been here? Yeah... being a drama queen doesn't make your post any more correct or even remotely accurate.

Other than IG and SM, the mechanicus are the MOST centralized imperial force.

And they're "centralized" to their holdings. You do not see the Mechanicus going out, en masse, constantly. You'll see them accompanying standard Imperial invasion fleets, especially if a Titan Legion are being sent with that invasion force, or sending out their own forces in pursuit of a rumored STC or other tech-relic. But those are rarities, not nearly as common as you're seeming to think.

By the by, if you're going to try to correct someone on background facts--I'd suggest you actually try reading posts. The statement I was replying to was saying that the Mechanicus is one of the "central forces of the Imperium", aka "they're a lynchpin of the Imperium's defensive forces"--which they really aren't. They're important to the Imperium at large, but not the Imperium's defenses in the grand scheme of things.

They are just about the only non-Astartes organisation allowed to govern imperial planets as their own.

The Ecclesiarchy "governs Imperial planets as their own". The Inquisition does the same.
What you're missing is that the factions mentioned don't have entire autonomy from the High Lords of Terra or the Imperium at large.
By all descriptors, many of the Ecclesiarchy/Mechanicus planets have areas that are exclusively within their purview--not the entire planet.

They have such sway they are allowed to worship a deity other than the Emperor, they are the glue that patches up the cracks in the Imperium of Man.

They worship a "deity" that they believe is the Emperor. If you read anything about the Mechanicus, you'd know that they believe the Emperor was an aspect of the Omnissiah.

If you have read Hellforged, there was a MASSIVE Mechanicus fleet hunting the Soul Drinkers. Nova Cannons. Nova. Cannons.

And?

If you've read any of the Dawn of War novels, there were Falcon grav-tanks being destroyed by children throwing rocks. There was also a secret Slaanesh coven throughout the entirety of Eldar soceity, that molested children.

Many books aren't worth considering canon, because the authors were completely useless and had no clue what the hell 'canon' is.

Harriticus wrote:Meh I understand their role, I did not mean force as in literal military force, though they certainly are often involved in military operations. The first Word Bearers book for instance has Skitarii units more prevalent than IG regiments.

Like I said above: many books aren't worth considering canon. The Word Bearers ones are what I consider that particular instance.

As for the Dark Angels codex being a tradition, it doesn't mean it isn't an unjustified one. My basic point was having codex's for 5 different Space Marine chapters while ignoring the Mechanicus given how important it is in the Imperium seems rather silly.

So let's have the Administratum get a Codex. Or the Munitorum.

Codex: Paperpushing Bureaucracy!

After all: they're important to the Imperium.

Let's face it: this is a wargame. The Mechanicus doesn't really "fit" into that purview, outside of specific instances.

Hence why I said they should, if they're going to be introduced at all, be put into a campaign book.

Kanluwen wrote:Let's face it: this is a wargame. The Mechanicus doesn't really "fit" into that purview, outside of specific instances.

Hence why I said they should, if they're going to be introduced at all, be put into a campaign book.

They make more sense than an Inquisitor going to war with a legion of space monkeys (which is horribly themeatically), yet that's something you can do.

-Loki- wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Let's face it: this is a wargame. The Mechanicus doesn't really "fit" into that purview, outside of specific instances.

Hence why I said they should, if they're going to be introduced at all, be put into a campaign book.

They make more sense than an Inquisitor going to war with a legion of space monkeys (which is horribly themeatically), yet that's something you can do.

And I think that's just as stupid and should have been introduced the same way.

Kanluwen wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
The Mechanicus aren't a "central Imperial force". They're a "central Imperial institution which maintains standing armies on their worlds to protect their holdings". The Mechanicus isn't constantly launching assaults upon worlds or going forth into the galaxy at large to war. The closest you've got is the Explorator or Reclaimer fleets...but even then, they're usually part of a larger Imperial force and don't deploy to the surface unless absolutely necessary.

That is the single stupidest post i have seen on DakkaDakka.

What, in the entire two weeks you've been here? Yeah... being a drama queen doesn't make your post any more correct or even remotely accurate.

Other than IG and SM, the mechanicus are the MOST centralized imperial force.

And they're "centralized" to their holdings. You do not see the Mechanicus going out, en masse, constantly. You'll see them accompanying standard Imperial invasion fleets, especially if a Titan Legion are being sent with that invasion force, or sending out their own forces in pursuit of a rumored STC or other tech-relic. But those are rarities, not nearly as common as you're seeming to think.

By the by, if you're going to try to correct someone on background facts--I'd suggest you actually try reading posts. The statement I was replying to was saying that the Mechanicus is one of the "central forces of the Imperium", aka "they're a lynchpin of the Imperium's defensive forces"--which they really aren't. They're important to the Imperium at large, but not the Imperium's defenses in the grand scheme of things.

They are just about the only non-Astartes organisation allowed to govern imperial planets as their own.

The Ecclesiarchy "governs Imperial planets as their own". The Inquisition does the same.
What you're missing is that the factions mentioned don't have entire autonomy from the High Lords of Terra or the Imperium at large.
By all descriptors, many of the Ecclesiarchy/Mechanicus planets have areas that are exclusively within their purview--not the entire planet.

They have such sway they are allowed to worship a deity other than the Emperor, they are the glue that patches up the cracks in the Imperium of Man.

They worship a "deity" that they believe is the Emperor. If you read anything about the Mechanicus, you'd know that they believe the Emperor was an aspect of the Omnissiah.

If you have read Hellforged, there was a MASSIVE Mechanicus fleet hunting the Soul Drinkers. Nova Cannons. Nova. Cannons.

And?

If you've read any of the Dawn of War novels, there were Falcon grav-tanks being destroyed by children throwing rocks. There was also a secret Slaanesh coven throughout the entirety of Eldar soceity, that molested children.

Many books aren't worth considering canon, because the authors were completely useless and had no clue what the hell 'canon' is.

Harriticus wrote:Meh I understand their role, I did not mean force as in literal military force, though they certainly are often involved in military operations. The first Word Bearers book for instance has Skitarii units more prevalent than IG regiments.

Like I said above: many books aren't worth considering canon. The Word Bearers ones are what I consider that particular instance.

As for the Dark Angels codex being a tradition, it doesn't mean it isn't an unjustified one. My basic point was having codex's for 5 different Space Marine chapters while ignoring the Mechanicus given how important it is in the Imperium seems rather silly.

So let's have the Administratum get a Codex. Or the Munitorum.

Codex: Paperpushing Bureaucracy!

After all: they're important to the Imperium.

Let's face it: this is a wargame. The Mechanicus doesn't really "fit" into that purview, outside of specific instances.

Hence why I said they should, if they're going to be introduced at all, be put into a campaign book.

So it's sarcasm now? Here let me try: Why don't you go take your hot girlfriend, and go lift weights all day while you admire your six pack abs with your otherwise well spent free time

Truth is, the mechanicus are extremely introverted, and so only take place in the Imperium's wars when directly requested or when they stand to gain something. when something of their is threatened, they retailate on a scale usually unimaginable (an ironic statement considering we're talking wh40k). Because of their isolated nature, they could plausibly come into conflict with IG or SM over artefacts (souldrinkers?) on the tabletop.

Most mechanicus adepts beleive that the Omnissiah is seperate from the God-Emperor.

The AdMech does not have areas on planets set aside for them, they have Forge Worlds.

I have been reading Dakka for years but only recently started wanting to post, and only recently decided to make an account.

and i don't like you. At. All.

*Points to the near endless fandexs, the to the Imperium Dex's*

Ahem.

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im2randomghgh wrote:

So it's sarcasm now? Here let me try: Why don't you go take your hot girlfriend, and go lift weights all day while you admire your six pack abs with your otherwise well spent free time

Are you really going to play the "nerd" insults? Because you're posting on the same forum I am, cupcake.

Truth is, the mechanicus are extremely introverted, and so only take place in the Imperium's wars when directly requested or when they stand to gain something. when something of their is threatened, they retailate on a scale usually unimaginable (an ironic statement considering we're talking wh40k). Because of their isolated nature, they could plausibly come into conflict with IG or SM over artefacts (souldrinkers?) on the tabletop.

So they have an isolated nature, only go to war "when directly requested", and retaliate on a "scale usually unimaginable".

Sounds like a real winner.

Most mechanicus adepts beleive that the Omnissiah is seperate from the God-Emperor.

No they don't. The Omnissiah is another face of the God-Emperor of Mankind.

The AdMech does not have areas on planets set aside for them, they have Forge Worlds.

And Forge Worlds still answer to the Imperium at large. The only difference is they have entire swathes of the planet that only the Mechanicus' trusted members are permitted to enter.

I have been reading Dakka for years but only recently started wanting to post, and only recently decided to make an account.

It's funny how people always play the "I've been watching people do X for years, but only started wanting to actually participate recently" card when they get shown up.

and i don't like you. At. All.

Oh noes! Whatever shall I do! Someone on the Internet doesn't like me!

Kanluwen wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

So it's sarcasm now? Here let me try: Why don't you go take your hot girlfriend, and go lift weights all day while you admire your six pack abs with your otherwise well spent free time

Are you really going to play the "nerd" insults? Because you're posting on the same forum I am, cupcake.

1. I haven't made 10, 700 posts.
2. cupcake?


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Kanluwen wrote:
And Forge Worlds still answer to the Imperium at large. The only difference is they have entire swathes of the planet that only the Mechanicus' trusted members are permitted to enter.

The only sense in which forge worlds answer to the imperium is that the high lords of terra and the holy ordos can make demands of them, and they produce tools and weapons to serve the imperium. other than that they are ENTIRELY autonomous