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As an ork player, there is a reason I dont assault tau vehicles. Most times I am going to need 6s just to hit. Many times I am going to lose orks to shrapnel, so its one of those times where I actually bother shooting (well lootas always shoot anyway, but you know what I mean, like slugga boys shooting piranha and such) so the prospect of setting up 100+ boys to lose half of them to pre assault damage from purifiers dosent give me alot of incentive to play.

Now I realize if I went to a tourney and was paired up against them I wouldnt have much choice, and poor demon players (amazingly we have 5 people at my store playing demon armies) have it worse. But does not wanting to play them make me a poor sport. Heck I feel I have a better chance against the top tier chezy space wolf and guard lists then I would even a half nasty knight list.

I don't play tournaments and I've already made it well known locally that I will not play against anyone with a Ward Knights army (which was added to my standing moratorium against playing against Ward Angels.)

And it's not even that I think the army is that good (and that Stormravens have a drug coating on them that forces people that use them to pile as many points into the thing as possible and then go flat out so they get shot down and lose half their army.) It's the principle of people jumping on the latest M. Night "Herpaderpadoo" Ward pile of gak.

If you always run away from it, you'll never gain the experience to defeat it. It looks insanely OP, but which codex hasn't before release lately.

It will have it's moment in the sun, people will learn the weaknesses and exploit them, and most of the player base for them will move onto the next codex.

I'd agree with notu, try a few games against them, you might be surprised.
If you're not, well no big deal, youve wasted a couple of hours and dont ever have to play them again if thats your choice.
At the very least you'll gain some experience, have some fun, at the worst you can vindicate your views

You is Ork
go mental and have fun.
If you are going to be beaten go down fighting and laughing.
And take out as many of the buggers as you can.

Understand your reluctance, but the advice above is well said imho.

Just think, if by some miracle bestowed by the dice gods you get a result how much sweeter victory would be!

Except that I don't care about gaining experience. 99% of my hobby is painting and modeling. I play -maybe- one game every 2 months if someone asks nicely. And by ask nicely I mean "beg".

Then why ask the question?
If you don't want to play who is going to make you?

Why do you need the opinion of others to justify your attitude towards the hobby, which is perfectly acceptable imho

Worglock wrote:I don't play tournaments and I've already made it well known locally that I will not play against anyone with a Ward Knights army (which was added to my standing moratorium against playing against Ward Angels.)

And it's not even that I think the army is that good (and that Stormravens have a drug coating on them that forces people that use them to pile as many points into the thing as possible and then go flat out so they get shot down and lose half their army.) It's the principle of people jumping on the latest M. Night "Herpaderpadoo" Ward pile of gak.

How can you tell if someone "jumped ship" to Blood Angels? What about people that played them before last April, people that joined the hobby after April, or even people that always liked the Blood Angels but didn't want to play with a PDF codex?

Really?

Just man up and play. If you are that worried about your record/reputation/etc., maybe this isn't the game for you... How about a nice game of solitaire?


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Worglock wrote:Except that I don't care about gaining experience. 99% of my hobby is painting and modeling. I play -maybe- one game every 2 months if someone asks nicely. And by ask nicely I mean "beg".

And so what do you care what people play? IS it that important to a painter/modeller that someone plays Blood Angels? Grow up, it's a game.

Well, if you're not too much into tournaments then I wouldn't worry about it. Personally I have played Grey Knights since I started playing the game, I picked them up three years ago, and have a 5000 Pt army of the metal miniatures. Will I play with the new book? Yes. Will I buy the new miniatures? Yes. (Silly as that may sound).

It's been well stated in most of these posts that it's worth playing them. By no means do they auto-win against orks. If you don't want to play ultra competitive games, that's cool, neither do I, which is why all of my lists will be pure Knight with no mixed Inquisition. I'd say keep playing your game, don't walk away because someone put effort into an army you're afraid of. In the end, as was stated, it's just a game.

On the other hand, if when you go to set up the guy laughs at you and says, 'Well, this will be easy' then by all means, pack up and leave him where he stands.

Grey Knights vs orks? auto win for GK? no and o yeah no. BA? i like playing BA with my orks, SW (not yet played them but want to) GK is another army.

Yes they have some nasty stuff, orks have equally as nasty stuff if you use them right, there just another army in power armour, granted they mostly have power weapons but still. 10 GK vs 30 Shoota boys, my money is on the 30 Shoota boys, 60 shots vs 10.....then if your lucky a charge. orks win, gk win, orks lose, gk lose. such is life.

I dont understand the fear of the newest codex, happened with BA, SW, nids and DE its a game and is 90% random chance, you will win and you will lose.

90% is hardly random. That's a pretty certain percentage. It's not a given, but far better odds than "random".At any rate, I'm with the majority here. It's just another army and why do you give a rat's ass if you win against it or not? If you *know* you're gonna play it that night, build an army suited to fight it. I suspect biker Nobs with the right configuration would be more than a match for some Grey Knights.


King Ghidorah

How would you feel about a player who refuses to play against someone who is better than them at the game, or refuses to play against someone with a very competitive list if theirs is more for enjoyment than tourny play?

If you think that it's fine, then you've got no problem. If you think they are poor sports, then you have a problem. I'm not saying there's a right and wrong answer - either option is valid, it's your perception that counts.


And Worglock, really? You're actually Nerd Raging against people who are inspired to collect a new army? Of course it's your choice to choose who you want to play, but your post sounds like people who are inspired to collect the latest codex really pisses you off...

A new Codex has changed the meta and I need to change my list oh noes!

Who you choose to play is always up to you, and you can use whatever criteria you like in making that determination.

Don't worry about what a bunch of people on the internet say about it.

@Ghidora,

I can't read your posts, your sig is too distracting...

/whinethread

Keep painting, bro.

If ya don't play, you never get any better. If you're so afraid of losing a game of plastic toy soldiers that you'll flat out refuse a game against a new codex, find a new hobby. Players who lose frequently early on in their wargaming career, and learn from those mistakes, tend to climb the curve much more quickly and become better players for it.

I assume 'ducking' means a cuss? Could you please change the title?

Grey knights do seem pretty formiddable but space wolves seemed pretty impossibly good and people are now coping.

Smells like trollin'

Ducking playing GK make a poor sport?

Yeh man it does.

only time I would not play against grey knights is if my opponent deploys dreadknights, jakero or the daemonsword guy, 40k is all visual and setting a theme, all 3 of those ruin the feel and look of the game and the universe, so they can F off the table thanks

MasterSlowPoke wrote:

Worglock wrote:I don't play tournaments and I've already made it well known locally that I will not play against anyone with a Ward Knights army (which was added to my standing moratorium against playing against Ward Angels.)

And it's not even that I think the army is that good (and that Stormravens have a drug coating on them that forces people that use them to pile as many points into the thing as possible and then go flat out so they get shot down and lose half their army.) It's the principle of people jumping on the latest M. Night "Herpaderpadoo" Ward pile of gak.

How can you tell if someone "jumped ship" to Blood Angels? What about people that played them before last April, people that joined the hobby after April, or even people that always liked the Blood Angels but didn't want to play with a PDF codex?

Agreed, if someone refused to play me because they were morally opposed to the authour of my Codex I'm pretty sure I'd laugh at them.

They're Marines, and they die like Marines. They really don't seem that scary. Big deal if they have force weapons all over the place, you only have a 6+ save anyway. Purifiers probably won't be in every army, and an army of nothing but them requires a special character. Get lots of shoota boys and chew them up.

SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Really?

Just man up and play. If you are that worried about your record/reputation/etc., maybe this isn't the game for you... How about a nice game of solitaire?

Some people are WAAC.

Question for OP...if a new Ork codex came out and was very powerful, would you refuse to use it since other players had no chance against it?..or would you jump on it and crush everyone you possibly could?

Mad4Minis wrote:Some people are WAAC.

I think this is the point you're trying to make, but WAAC is not 'plays a competitive list'. Ducking anything that you think will be 'hard' to play against so that you can stand a better chance of winning exhibits more of a WAAC mentalilty than people who have picked up Space Wolves, Blood Angels, or Grey Knights as their new army.

If that is actually your point, then I'll just say I've elaborated on it.

Perkustin wrote:I assume 'ducking' means a cuss? Could you please change the title?

What? No. Ducking means avoiding.

As in the 5 D's: "Dodge, dip, duck, dive, and dodge"

Also, if you wouldn't have fun playing against a Grey Knight army, then don't play against them. Especially if you only play fun games. Your opponent will understand I'm sure.

Scream Waaaaagh in their face until they leave. A surrender is still a win for you!

don't be scarred just play and learn (and hopefully enjoy)... i lose some i win some, but its fun either way (besides orks enver win cause if we die it don't count, if we tie we come back with more boyz lookin fer a good fight!)

i guess i'm the opposite of you, i also never play tournaments , but i have yet to paint a single model, the painting doesn't intrest me as much as playing. if i can find the time i can see painting mine but given the choice of playing WoW, or playing a 40k match and getting my orks on the tabel i'll choose one of those over painting my lads

on the wolves, BA or GK ... they are all spae marines and they are just as suseptable to a power klaw or a choppa

played a game last weekend against wolves with a MANZ list and destroyed them.

BA i've taken down and 2 peopel i know are building GK armies and i'm looking forward to getting my boyz more space marine kills. sure they have alot of odd special rules but can they knock out a group of arngry charging 30 boyz, nob w/ pk/bp ? ... hard to beat at 220 points

so pep up and try if you fail just learn from it and do it agian till you eek out a victory

edits *spelling*

I will play grey knights, however I will not play against the neckbeard bandwagon jumpers, who put their awful looking vanilla SM's on the table and say they are GK's. If you wanna play GK buy those expensive models!