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Scottywan82 wrote:I think I'm confused. Why do we care who took the picture?

Of course we care Scotty! We have to care!!! That man took a picture and you... you... you can't take pictures because... umm... because you just can't, ok???

Most of us do not care who took the picture. Most of us would like to see this go back on topic.

Yeah it is the e-stalker we should be really worried about. Hunting down those that want to pre-empt games workshops media machine. We don't need that. Just makes all those on BOLS look like GW homies.

As for Jes Goodwin being angry, it is only one very blury pic, don't think he can be too unhappy about that.

ceorron wrote:Yeah it is the e-stalker we should be really worried about. Hunting down those that want to pre-empt games workshops media machine. We don't need that. Just makes all those on BOLS look like GW homies.

As for Jes Goodwin being angry, it is only one very blury pic, don't think he can be too unhappy about that.

Actually, that's what made him angry as hell about the Harlequins.

He didn't want the stuff leaked, especially if it's going to be some half-arsed blurry cameraphone pic.

Odd, the topic seems to have slipped away in the confusion...

Doesn't anyone else find this farcical?
The cameraman was Brian Rix who will step out of a wardrobe, sporting spotty boxers shorts, trousers around his ankles.

Look at the frothing response from the starved masses just ONE blurry picture has created. Do they need any other proof that DE have a very good shot at doing well? If this pic is any indication of the overall quality of the line, and the codex is competitive/borderline broken, they will do just fine.

BrassScorpion wrote:It won't affect (not effect) the release and I already stated why.

Sigh. Edited my post.


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Skarboy wrote:Look at the frothing response from the starved masses just ONE blurry picture has created. Do they need any other proof that DE have a very good shot at doing well?

If we're honest with ourselves, we should note that the contributors here have been the same people throughout not only most of this thread but most of all of the threads on this topic. I do think DE will do well but it's no Marines release.

Kanluwen wrote:
Given that he got a photo of the French codex(apparently), it's more likely that he's employed by a translation agency.

That's the French Codex? I guess his phone could be in black/white mode, but I don't remember the last time I saw models in a Codex in black and white.


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Kanluwen wrote:
He didn't want the stuff leaked, especially if it's going to be some half-arsed blurry cameraphone pic.

Man, he's starting to sound like Steve Jobs.

Manchu wrote:

Skarboy wrote:Look at the frothing response from the starved masses just ONE blurry picture has created. Do they need any other proof that DE have a very good shot at doing well?

If we're honest with ourselves, we should note that the contributors here have been the same people throughout not only most of this thread but most of all of the threads on this topic. I do think DE will do well but it's no Marines release.

Contributors doesn't necessarily mean they're going to actually buy anything, does it?

puma713 wrote:That's the French Codex? I guess his phone could be in black/white mode, but I don't remember the last time I saw models in a Codex in black and white.

You are aware that it could have been an early mock-up, or just a placeholder page before the color photos arrived to be put into the finalized Codex, or any number of things yeah?

Yeah, internet promises don't mean a lot.
Baring Jes subcontracting Morley to sculpt all his faces, or really terrible rules, I'd expect them to be a solid seller for GW.
I'm not sure how the 40k armies rank sales-wise though, I'd assume something like Marines by a mile followed by IG, then everything else pretty close with maybe Tau and definitely Necrons bringing up the rear.

It looks like it's ringbound, so it's probably a proof of some kind.

Tau have been a consistent good seller since their last revision. Chaos Marines are currently the worst performing 40K range in terms of sales. Space Marines, the regular kind, account for roughly 50% of all 40K model sales.

Kanluwen wrote:

puma713 wrote:That's the French Codex? I guess his phone could be in black/white mode, but I don't remember the last time I saw models in a Codex in black and white.

You are aware that it could have been an early mock-up, or just a placeholder page before the color photos arrived to be put into the finalized Codex, or any number of things yeah?

Exactly. That was the point of the post. You said that it was the French Codex (apparently) - meaning it is apparent that it was the French codex when there is nothing to support that rationale whatsoever. If it had been a color picture, then there would have been some support.

And to quote you:

"You are aware that it could have been. . . .any number of things yeah?"

For what it's worth, I will be putting any current project on hold to start a DE army. One, because it's been in the planning stages for the last six months, and two, because all I've been waiting for is a new model range (which would be a product of a new codex).

BrassScorpion wrote: Chaos Marines are currently the worst performing 40K range in terms of sales.

Really? That's interesting, especially with the amount of Chaos armies I face. Guess because people have had their Chaos armies for forever and have had nothing really new to buy from the range (save the terminator lord/sorceror).

puma713 wrote:



Exactly. That was the point of the post. You said that it was the French Codex (apparently) - meaning it is apparent that it was the French codex when there is nothing to support that rationale whatsoever.

Other than it being...in french you mean? Obviously it might not be the codex, it could be a translation proof for white dwarf, or a catalogue.

puma713 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

puma713 wrote:That's the French Codex? I guess his phone could be in black/white mode, but I don't remember the last time I saw models in a Codex in black and white.

You are aware that it could have been an early mock-up, or just a placeholder page before the color photos arrived to be put into the finalized Codex, or any number of things yeah?

Exactly. That was the point of the post. You said that it was the French Codex (apparently) - meaning it is apparent that it was the French codex when there is nothing to support that rationale whatsoever. If it had been a color picture, then there would have been some support.

And to quote you:

"You are aware that it could have been. . . .any number of things yeah?"

You do know that the translators don't actually create the pictures for the Codices, right?
There's no reason for them to get full color photos, just to make a translated copy to publish.

Also:
The borders on the page corners isn't something you'll see in White Dwarf. There would be a "Warhammer 40,000" in the middle of the bar on the top border.

Codices are pretty much the only time they do unique borders on pages.

Gentlemen, "please, let's not bicker and argue over who killed whom" (yes, it's a Monty Python quote), it matters not a Space Wolf's whisker where the photos came from, nor is arguing endlessly over the possible sources providing anyone with any useful information.

Now wasn't the topic the Dark Eldar release, not the source of the blurry photo?

If this is a picture from the codex, it is not the original.
It is GBC bound on the left hand side, which would be correct, but the design at the top is going the wrong way. the only way for this to happen is if they:
a. Cut the spine off the book, and gbc bound it backwards...
or
B. Printed it single sided from a pdf or similar document, and bound it on the right hand side. 1/2 the pages would be bound on the opposite side of which they were intended if this is the case.

Seeing as how it is black/white, along with the fact it is bound either incorrectly or single sided, it sure looks like a PDF copy of the codex.

Edit- sorry, posted before people asked not to post on this...

Look, were not talking about hot womenz or middle eastern politics, I think this qualifies as the most successful DE rumours thread to date.

Seriously....people beg for leaked photos....get leaked photos....complain that said photos were released.... I find this so damn funny!

Personally I am tired of the whole cloak and dagger when it comes to a JG release, me thinks his ego grew three sizes two big in recent years, the guy is good don't get me wrong, but he isn't that good considering he had twelve years to work on this project, he better have rethought how minis work

Why would you attribute a huge ego to Jes based on some random internet peoples reports of his annoyance?

If GW aren't releasing information it's because GW thinks that's the way to "market" things, not because Jes Goodwin demanded it.

Manchu wrote: If we're honest with ourselves, we should note that the contributors here have been the same people throughout not only most of this thread but most of all of the threads on this topic. I do think DE will do well but it's no Marines release.

Certainly. Grain of salt taken and NOTHING matches the Space Marine releases. They are the flagship of the entire company; nothing comes close. But for 40K to thrive, for GW to thrive, you need to have successful contemporaries for the Space Marines. That means successful offshoot branches (Space Wolves, Blood Angels, etc.) and it also means making the Xenos groups competitive, both in aesthetic and gameplay. What creates more demand than an escalating arms race? For the DE, you want a line that will pull in FotM players as well as draw back the DE players who feel abandoned, draw in the DE players to replace their old models, draw in those who always wanted DE but hated the models and/or rules, draw in the Dark Elf players into 40K, and so forth. The Dark Eldar goal is not to surpass Space Marines (maybe temporarily for the pre-order rush of sales), but to surpass Orks, Tyranids, Craftworld Eldar, Imperial Guard, etc. as the non-Marine army of choice. Can they get there? I doubt it, but that doesn't mean they can't be very competitive, both sales-wise and codex-wise, enough to justify the effort put into their re-release. Frankly, their success will, in some part, help dictate the level of effort put into Necrons, Tau, Chaos, Sisters of Battle, etc. in the future, so we should all be hoping they do well and bring those other non-SM armies with them.

Said it elsewhere that the peeing about will lead to leaks anyways.

There is a very simple solution to preventing this happening.

@Skarboy: Buying DE to support the production of plastic Sisters??? Count me in!

Skarboy wrote:
Frankly, their success will, in some part, help dictate the level of effort put into Necrons, Tau, Chaos, Sisters of Battle, etc. in the future, so we should all be hoping they do well and bring those other non-SM armies with them.

I agree with this in some part, but wouldn't you agree that even codices outside of Marines have a heirarchy within their market? To say that the Dark Eldar release will affect a future Chaos release I think is a bit exaggerated. Chaos, Orks, Eldar - these races have always been a part of the 40K universe, even since the early times. A Chaos release (one of the basic pillars of the 40K universe) shouldn't be affected by a niche army release. Just like you wouldn't expect a Blood Angel release to be directly influenced with how well Tau do. If the Dark Eldar line doesn't do as well as they hope, I just don't think it will influence whether or not they move forward with certain Chaos ideas. They may decide to keep some in metal and not move to plastic, but other than that, I don't think they'll lose any fervor for those core, fundamental races of 40K.

I know where you're coming from and I think you're right about Tau, Necrons, Sisters and GK, but I'm not sure much more can be gleaned from the success of the DE launch than the success of the DE.

HBMC - just sunday.

puma713 wrote:I agree with this in some part, but wouldn't you agree that even codices outside of Marines have a heirarchy within their market? To say that the Dark Eldar release will affect a future Chaos release I think is a bit exaggerated. Chaos, Orks, Eldar - these races have always been a part of the 40K universe, even since the early times. A Chaos release (one of the basic pillars of the 40K universe) shouldn't be affected by a niche army release. Just like you wouldn't expect a Blood Angel release to be directly influenced with how well Tau do. If the Dark Eldar line doesn't do as well as they hope, I just don't think it will influence whether or not they move forward with certain Chaos ideas. They may decide to keep some in metal and not move to plastic, but other than that, I don't think they'll lose any fervor for those core, fundamental races of 40K.

I know where you're coming from and I think you're right about Tau, Necrons, Sisters and GK, but I'm not sure much more can be gleaned from the success of the DE launch than the success of the DE.

Sure, there's a hierarchy (and for the record, I consider all Marine chapters to be lumped together because sales go up for all Marine stuff when Space Wolves, Blood Angels, etc. get released). IMHO, IG/CSM are probably at the top; Orks, Eldar, and Tyranids in the middle; and the rest in a lump (DE, Necrons, Tau, Chaos Daemons, Daemon Hunters, Sisters/Witch Hunters). They fluxuate slightly with codex and model releases. Those armies in the top 5 are pretty much immune to too much influence, but conversely, they might have peaked in popularity. It's highly doubtful that any of them could be stripped and redone as drastically as the DE (though it could be said that the 3rd edition remake of the orks has turned them from a relatively unpopular army into a relatively popular one, similar to what the DE might be able to accomplish). But the other armies in that group COULD. That's where the success/failure of the DE will determine (somewhat) the level of effort put into the other armies. If the DE can make the shift from the bottom/niche tier and into that upper tier of consistent non-Marine armies, that perhaps opens the door for Necrons, Tau, and others to follow, or at least alerts GW to the possibility of such movement.

Skarboy wrote:

puma713 wrote:

I know where you're coming from and I think you're right about Tau, Necrons, Sisters and GK, but I'm not sure much more can be gleaned from the success of the DE launch than the success of the DE.

Sure, there's a hierarchy (and for the record, I consider all Marine chapters to be lumped together because sales go up for all Marine stuff when Space Wolves, Blood Angels, etc. get released). IMHO, IG/CSM are probably at the top; Orks, Eldar, and Tyranids in the middle; and the rest in a lump (DE, Necrons, Tau, Chaos Daemons, Daemon Hunters, Sisters/Witch Hunters). They fluxuate slightly with codex and model releases. Those armies in the top 5 are pretty much immune to too much influence, but conversely, they might have peaked in popularity. It's highly doubtful that any of them could be stripped and redone as drastically as the DE (though it could be said that the 3rd edition remake of the orks has turned them from a relatively unpopular army into a relatively popular one, similar to what the DE might be able to accomplish). But the other armies in that group COULD. That's where the success/failure of the DE will determine (somewhat) the level of effort put into the other armies. If the DE can make the shift from the bottom/niche tier and into that upper tier of consistent non-Marine armies, that perhaps opens the door for Necrons, Tau, and others to follow, or at least alerts GW to the possibility of such movement.

But I wonder if that's even possible? I mean, is it possible for Tau, DE, Necrons, etc. to dethrone or even edge their way into that lumping? I really don't think so, no matter how good the codex is. I don't think they'll ever be a "mainstream" or top market army, no matter how they're presented.

Tau are pretty main stream though. They are one of the most consistant selling xenos armies from what I have heard from friends still in the GW Management business. Probably the second highest grossing xenos army behind orks. Never underestimate the power of Battletech/Anime.