Dawn of War 2: Retribution

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**Ouze**

asimo77 wrote:
Ouze wrote:I'm surprised by how... un-fun I've found it to be so far. I'm playing through the campaign for Chaos, and every mission has felt sort of the same - cover, move forward 10 feet, clear an area, repeat. Very tedious. I'm a mission now where I need to destroy an objective that keeps moving around on the map - incredibly un-fun. I hope the other campaigns are better. I definitely don't recall either DOW2 or CR being so... being like a chore to play in SP.

Is there not a way to pause the game so you can issue commands?

Is there not a way to give my guys more autonomy when they aren't selected? My Chaos Lord loves standing 3 feet away from a guy who's shooting him, and just standing there taking it instead of attacking.

Why are quick save and quick load not assigned hotkeys? As a matter of fact, why can't I change the spacebar to be pause? Why is there no in-game hotkey\keybinding manipulation?

Feature wise, I think this is kind of a step down from what I'd expect from a modern RTS.

If the camp is anything like CR or Vanilla DOW2 you can't save in between missions, hence no hotkey. And like Melissia said the pause/break button usually well...pauses most RTS games.

1.) Yes, you can both save and load in between missions. Which is useful for missions like the one I just did, where you have to get to an evacuation point in time, which I did, and then failed the mission anyway. GG.

2.) Speaking of awesome bugs\wargear, here's the sweet reward I got from that tedious chase-the-eldar-around-the-same-map mission. (attached)

Every time I play this game so far, the experience is a little more disappointing. I don't hate it, but in my (admittedly, limited) experience so far, it's the poorest entry in the series so far. Crossing my fingers that as I spend more time on the other campaigns they are more akin to the Ork one, which is funny at least.

**Melissia**

Go report that on the community forum. There's been a few bugs, but it's still better than DoW2 base's "drop down kill everything and then fight a boss" style missions where one mission was almost always identical to another save for different scenery..

**Marauder**

Have to say i am disappointed in the game. less than 5 hours to finish it and the game feels the same on every mission and the other races are the same missions.

It not a bad game just not that good.

**Joelz0rz**

Melissia wrote:I like how they did the Orks. They kept them serious enough, yet still managed to have them obviously having fun with the whole thing because it's one great fight.

Definitely agree. The only minor issue with the Orks was the fact the "pirateness" was a bit OTT at the start, but you get used to it. They've definitely got the fun ork attitude with that hat comment

**Melissia**

Marauder wrote:Have to say i am disappointed in the game. less than 5 hours to finish it and the game feels the same on every mission and the other races are the same missions.

It not a bad game just not that good.

Personally I think it's the best RTS on the market at the moment...

**BrookM**

It's a good RTS, but a bit weak compared to DoW 2 and Chaos Rising. But those cut scenes, damn good.

**Melissia**

Hardly, I find it far superior to the original DoW2 and its ridiculously repetitive missions. Dow2 vanilla was padded,very few actual story missions with scripts.

**BrookM**

Retribution is too damn short though. Plus the recycling of most missions is something they could've improved on.

**Melissia**

Dunno, it's no more short than Chaos Rising. And for actual story missions, it's longer than DoW2 vanilla.

Maybe I'm biased because I thought the Ork campaign was the best one that Relic has produced since Homeworld, but meh?

**Steu**

Home world i loved that game the first one anyway

**BrookM**

Aye, the Homeworld expansion and sequel were nothing compared to the first game. Plus it had Yes!

**Kanluwen**

And lo, I come bearing more fun items!

**SilverMK2**

I'm just playing through Winter Assault at the moment.

I have 2 and some of the expansions, but I am pacing myself by playing through all the first game before starting it

**notprop**

I'm sort of doing the same thing SMK2.

I just finished Crusade and have started soulstrom (with its mini planes

), while I wait for DOW2 retribution to arrive.

Had both of these for years but never played them.

**Ouze**

I thought Dark Crusade was the peak of the series (though I did enjoy the campaign for Chaos Rising greatly as well).

**Darkvoidof40k**

DC was indeed the peak. Never really played Winter Assault due to buggyness preventing that, and Soulstorm.. ugh, took too long to load for the campaign to be worth it, which was basically a repeat of DC with more people to kill.

The original four games do not do the 40k background justice, and if you really must play any of them, play DoW: DC: FoK. Only worthwhile thing.

Otherwise, get right onto the DoW II series NOW!

Got Retribution, have been playing marines. Enjoying greatly.

Eliphas' preemptive death was unusual.. but ah well. The needs of the story must call for.. eh, forgot where I was going with that.. but.. DEATH TO HERETICS!

**Melissia**

Meh, Winter Assault or even Soulstorm was better than Dark Crusade (at least soulstorm had all the factions). And DoW2 is better than any of the original game, even base DoW2 is. Currently, Retribution is the peak for me, without a shadow of a doubt.

**asimo77**

People rag on Soulstorm a bit too much methinks.

**BrookM**

Cyrus has a sniper rifle that does 1.0 damage but makes people explode over time. Is that also some sort of cult reference?

**Melissia**

Probably more of a poisons reference.

**Marauder**

I enjoyed the older games more as atleast you got some play time in on them. i have finished every race and uninstalled it lol. Way to short but as i said before it's not bad just not good.

I can understand why it's short and most of the missions are the same as it's a lower price point than most games but i honestly would have paid more to have had the missions different for every race.

**Melissia**

Marauder wrote:I enjoyed the older games more as atleast you got some play time in on them. i have finished every race and uninstalled it lol. Way to short but as i said before it's not bad just not good.

Of course it's not "good".

It's awesome. The only reason you had so damn much playtime in DC and SS was because all you were doing was repeated skirmishes.

I can do that in DoW2 too, and my self-made storylines are far more interesting.

**Darkvoidof40k**

Hmph. Unfortunately, the SM campaign is turning out to be rather dull and slow. I might even go as far as to say tedious; it lacks so much that the original two games had.

I was honestly expecting the loadout/wargear collection to be identical to DoW II and CR, but the fact that it's not is just depressing. There is an extreme lack of synergy in the storyline and very little interaction between the characters. It's just Martellus, Martellus, Martellus, Cyrus, and more Martellus. A bit of Apollo in there too.

I'm just hoping the rest of the campaign will pick up - the missions are just taking too long at the minute. Possibly because of the difficulty level I set it on, but I dunno.

**BrookM**

I like the Astartes campaign ending, I'm guessing that one is the canonical ending this time round.

**Melissia**

Dunno, I just breezed through the Ork campaign. But then, Orks are awesome, and Marines suck, so yeah.

**Ouze**

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Hmph. Unfortunately, the SM campaign is turning out to be rather dull and slow. I might even go as far as to say tedious; it lacks so much that the original two games had.

I was honestly expecting the loadout/wargear collection to be identical to DoW II and CR, but the fact that it's not is just depressing. There is an extreme lack of synergy in the storyline and very little interaction between the characters. It's just Martellus, Martellus, Martellus, Cyrus, and more Martellus. A bit of Apollo in there too.

I'm just hoping the rest of the campaign will pick up - the missions are just taking too long at the minute. Possibly because of the difficulty level I set it on, but I dunno.

I finished through the Chaos one. It got a little faster at the end, but I rather suspect it did simply because my gear was getting cumulatively better, and the level of non-boss opponents I were fighting were not.

I started the Space Marine one, and as you say, it's rather bland and boring. It also appears to be the exact same campaign as the Chaos one, but with some very slight dialogue changes? If so, extremely lame. I'm disinclined to bother playing the other campaigns if that's accurate (how incredibly lazy!). I'll keep playing the Ork campaign co-op with a friend, but probably won't bother with the rest.

Definitely the weakest entry in all of the DoW series, just beating out Soulstorm. And, no, I don't think people bag on Soulstorm excessively - bad balance, very buggy, terrible voice acting? Soulstorm earned it's reputation, imo.

**Marauder**

Melissia wrote:
Marauder wrote:I enjoyed the older games more as atleast you got some play time in on them. i have finished every race and uninstalled it lol. Way to short but as i said before it's not bad just not good.
Of course it's not "good".

It's awesome. The only reason you had so damn much playtime in DC and SS was because all you were doing was repeated skirmishes.

I can do that in DoW2 too, and my self-made storylines are far more interesting.

If you think this game is awesome thats great for you but it is far from awesome for me. Wait till you play the other races and then you will see repeated skirmishes because there all the same just some different voice acting.

While it has some good points they just do not outway the bad points.

**Melissia**

All three of which also applied to dark crusade.

**BrookM**

Dark Crusade did have some great puzzle maps and other specially themed missions, not to mention neat stronghold missions with great pre-battle speeches and banter. Also, Gorgutz ya gits!

**Melissia**

BrookM wrote:Dark Crusade did have some great puzzle maps and other specially themed missions, not to mention neat stronghold missions with great pre-battle speeches and banter. Also, Gorgutz ya gits!

So does Retribution.

And frankly, the Kaptin equals Gorgutz in epicness. I was giggling happy every time he opened up his mouth.