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The concept art has sort of an 'old school' RT vibe to it. Its not bad art, just not up to the level of 'Oooh pretty!' that the Warmachine cover art is.

The sculpts are turning out nice. Lots of details without going overboard, and if the troop sculpt have that level of detail in them I'll be impressed.

ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. That is all.

Mmmmm..I see conversion material in my future.

I dont know, but i think forgefathers are meant to be "steam-punk", or "gothic sci-fi-esk". I found that pretty acceptable for a race like dwarfs, normally they are a race who accept new technologies (and produce them), but who change little in terms of culture, and put great value in hard manual work. So, their shiny new things will normally look old, just because the culture who produced it dont changed.

I liked the box art, its epic, fun, classic and new, at the same time. Great details for the "dying guys". The only thing im tremendous upset about (to not say deceptioned), are the colors of the forgefathers... Blue and gold are ultrasmurfmarines, and in my point of view, dont have nothing to do with dwarfs. But anyway, that is a slight thumbs down, for a lot of great thumbs up...

scarletsquig wrote:Think he means that 28mm dwarves are too small, rather than 28mm is too small... if that makes any sense.

Yes thats exactly what I mean. 28mm is fine for human size or larger, but dwarves in 28mm are just too tiny for my taste.


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lord marcus wrote:New pic up on BoLS. this time one of the FF heroes



And an orc on BoW

WOW, both of those are killer. Gonna keep an eye on the Orx for sure.

The hammer forgefather on the art looks like hes saying "Look at me guys! I'm a space marine! Eat my S8 thunderhammer greenskin"

I'm guessing the art also show us what the orx vehicle and possible orx/forgefather fliers are gonna look like?

Got an e-mail from Mantic about the great "Warpath Deals!" they're going to have for the next 11 days.

I like Mantic and I like a great number of their models; however, I refuse to pay them nearly $300 for something generic like "151 Models and 6 vehicles" based upon a WIP model of an elite unit that will be cast in resin anyway. Not even any concept art of the supposed vehicles or what the regular troops will look like (well for the Marauders anyway).

Yeah, I prefer to spend my money on something I know I'll like.

Yeah that is strange. We haven't seen enough of the models yet and unless they reveal all within those 11 days it's hard to make an investment in something you may not like - as you haven't seen it yet

At least they're excited about it though. I'm still waiting to see if I've won any of those competions

They did the same with their chaos dwarves super deals.

Looking good so far!

Maybe its just me but the Mantic site is down all evening now.

BrookM wrote:Maybe its just me but the Mantic site is down all evening now.

It was down for me too but seems to be up and running now.


What can i say ? Wow! I reckon there will be many "Orx" finding their way into my "Ork" collection and vice versa! I to wont be ordering until i see more models however.

SAme here. I would love to see more beyond the two pictured. The army deals also say they won't ship until November, so I assume we will be seeing trickles of pics until then.

Ordered a copy, worth a risk.

Looks like the "vehicles" included are those tracked gun platforms and those trikes / attack bikes.

I dunno, there's a couple of things about this whole venture which leaves me feeling a bit disappointed.

The first thing is the timing. Now, this is more confusion then disappointment, but still.....I think it's clear by now that Mantic are not trying to navigate new waters with their product....it's also clear that they are targeting GW, but here's my point....they've taken so long to get something "out there" that I feel they may really have missed the boat. The dust has pretty much settled now with regards to GW, people have either gone over to new games (Infinity, Malifaux, PP, etc) or have given up and gone back to GW....IMHO, Mantic needed their product on the shelf at least two months ago to have really capitalised on the situation.

Now some people are going to shout me down with "I'd rather they take their time and get it right then rush and get it wrong"......but this leads me to my second point....they've not rushed, and as far as I'm concerned they got it wrong as well.

I'm not going to even discuss the lack-luster rules, as they read right now they're uninspired. However, even the miniatures that Mantic hope to "WOW" the gaming world with are just, well, boring.....the Dwarfs look far to busy, and awkward, the weapons are pure comedy, and even the Orx just looks like a tweeked GW Ork.....the whole thing is just a yawn fest.

I think alot of people were hoping that Mantic were going to be the company to humble the mighty GW, however, with this product I really doubt they will.

Be honest, given the current miniatures and the current rules who is planning on selling up their GW items to change over to this? Seriously? I mean, if it came down to it, and someone had a gun to my head, I'd chose going back to WH40K (spending wise) then part with one penny towards Warpath.

Timing is tough for plastic minis - it takes a long time to go from the concept sketches to the finished plastics we buy. I won't deny that if they had their stuff on the shelf during the GW price hike they would have gotten a lot of business though. Regardless, I think they'll still sell well, as there are still people looking for cheap models. I like what I'm seeing for the Forgefathers (I've got enough Orks already) and who knows, I might pick up a few. What I've read of the rules is uninspiring though.

Either way, people will still leave GW, people will still come back to GW, and people will still buy other companies' products. I think they'll do alright.

I wi be getting the ultimate forge father or ultimate both if the forgefathers shape up.

Really need to see the figures. And sprues.

I would drop cash on the mega FF deal, but I unfortunatley don't have said funds. I have about 80 USD saved away for Warpath, which i hope will be enough for the starter set.

Delephont wrote:
I think alot of people were hoping that Mantic were going to be the company to humble the mighty GW, however, with this product I really doubt they will.

This is the big mistake that a lot of people make, who simply do not understand that mantic are a tiny company with a dozen employees.

They are probably about 1% of the size of Privateer Press, never mind GW.

It is an absolutely tiny operation that has very few full-time staff and relies heavily on freelancers to keep overall costs down.. then relies on the same company that tools moulds for historical plastics to make the plastics, and outsourcing to China for resin plastics.

They are an exercise in making a lean operation, as much quality and as many new releases as you can possibly get for as low a price as possible.

They are in no way any sort of threat to GW, they simply offer an easy method of transition between GW's customers and theirs.

I think no one really expect a "new thing" from Mantic, that was pretty obvious how the starter set would look a lot like GW. The game system is bad, but the minis look good and very trusty to the concepts (until now).

I like the FF aproach, and i like the Marauders "we are not orks, really". The first reproduce dwarfs in space in the way i wanted it. The second are just a cheaper (and very similar) version of my prefered race on GW. I will play 40k with them.

Excepet for some ork kits i just want to build, I will not buy any more GW after this release, at least not until GW really change their politics. Thats what Mantic is about, not a "new game to stand against warhammer", but diferent miniatures range, to give us more options against GW...

But i will wait for the cheaer boxes though

I don't think the game is bad, merely not quite to everyone's taste. I like it.

scarletsquig wrote:

Delephont wrote:
I think alot of people were hoping that Mantic were going to be the company to humble the mighty GW, however, with this product I really doubt they will.

This is the big mistake that a lot of people make, who simply do not understand that mantic are a tiny company with a dozen employees.

They are probably about 1% of the size of Privateer Press, never mind GW.

It is an absolutely tiny operation that has very few full-time staff and relies heavily on freelancers to keep overall costs down.. then relies on the same company that tools moulds for historical plastics to make the plastics, and outsourcing to China for resin plastics.

They are an exercise in making a lean operation, as much quality and as many new releases as you can possibly get for as low a price as possible.

They are in no way any sort of threat to GW, they simply offer an easy method of transition between GW's customers and theirs.

I have no illusions regarding the scale of Mantics operations, plus I would be hesitant to Lean philosophy regarding Mantic without fully understanding their business.

That said, I also disagree witht statement someone else has made, that we should never have expected something innovative from Mantic.......why? Other small operations have endeavoured to innovate, for example, Spartan Games, Studio McVey, MERCS to name but a few.....the scale of Mantics operations have no bearing on how creative they could have been. However, unlike those other companies, Mantic has been very public and vocal about how their product owuld be ground breaking, great, blah blah blah, they've released videos on Youtube, been very vocal on Beasts of War, and look at the end product.

If Mantic had been straight about their product, i.e "we're just making a bunch of miniatures that we hope you'll buy in order to proxy in GW's WH40K and Fantasy Battle", then fair enough, but they built up such a head of hype and IMHO haven't delivered.

I never expected, or wanted, anything especially innovative from Warpath. It was clear from the outset that it was going to be a generic fantasy in space mass battle game. That does not mean that it is a 40k clone, although it does happily mean that some of the miniatures will be interchangeable with GW, which is a good thing regardles sof pricing or quality or any other issues, as it gives us variety and choice. Several of the Warpath armies have no direct 40 equivilant, outside of the fluff. Forgefathers, rebels, and mutants are all unique to Warpath as playable and purchaseable armies. They could feasibly be used to represent things like Squats, and Lost and Damned (perhaps with some conversion) but that is a happy side effect. Even the corporation are unique to Warpath. They may be the Warpath equivilant to the Imperium, but they are radically different, especially in terms of backstory, and remind me more of the Alliance from Firefly.



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My point is, there's bound to be a lot of similarities between 40k and warpath. They are both cut from the same cloth, being generic Scifi/fantasy battle games. But a lot of people (including myself) like that kind of thing and have been wanting more of the same, I think Mantic have done well to provide this and simultaneously distinguish Warpath with races and miniatures you won't get from GW. I would prefer their minis to look a little more futuristic, but that's a minor quibble. I will buy them. I will probably continue playing using the 40k rules (or my gaming groups version of them) for my gaming because Warpath rules are overly simplistic for my taste. I'm very interested to learn more about the backstory. What I have heard so far isn't innovative, but it definitely focoses on different things than 40k and I do find it intrigueing. If it's good enough, I will play games and make armies set in that universe, and perhaps stage some crossover games where Warpath forces fight 40k forces. If the Warpath fluff isn't up to much I'll simply use their minis for conversions, but that remains to be seen. I may one day end up more invested in the Warpath backstory than the 40k one, who knows.

^ The Corporation and Rebels from Warpath are definitely very similar to Alliance and Browncoats from Firefly, possibly with elements of Imperial and Rebel from Star Wars, too.. more on the Rebel side than anything due to their mix of human and various alien troops.

The Plague sound very similar to the Reavers as well, in that they are a biological experiment by the Corportation that went horribly wrong and produced monsters out of humans.

Cool thing about the Plague is that it will give all those "Lost and the Damned" players a way of using their army after GW stopped supporting that list... I thought the nurgle plague zombies and heretic guard were pretty cool myself.. certainly, in the black library novels, the primary enemies that are fought are often chaos guardsmen.

You could call it a rip-off of Firefly quite easily and I wouldn't care one bit.. I love Firefly!

Forgefathers are original enough, serious i can list a bunch of sci-fi dwarfs, from a bunch of companies, thet are original in their ways and fluff, and all are based on interpretatons of what would be a dwarf society (you know, the fictional fantasy one) in a far technological set... And in my opinion, they are the better ones (c'mon, dwarven troops mut wear real armors!!!!)

Well, after visiting this thread several times, and repeatedly looking at those pics...ive gotta say...Im in. Farking Mantic, I hate painting stunties, but looks like Im gonna be doing it.

Also the wife likes the Orx, and has already informed me we will be buying the starter game and both starter armies...so i guess the decision has been made for me.

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, after visiting this thread several times, and repeatedly looking at those pics...ive gotta say...Im in. Farking Mantic, I hate painting stunties, but looks like Im gonna be doing it.

Also the wife likes the Orx, and has already informed me we will be buying the starter game and both starter armies...so i guess the decision has been made for me.

That.....doesn't......happen.......to .......most.......men

ever

Delephont wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:Well, after visiting this thread several times, and repeatedly looking at those pics...ive gotta say...Im in. Farking Mantic, I hate painting stunties, but looks like Im gonna be doing it.

Also the wife likes the Orx, and has already informed me we will be buying the starter game and both starter armies...so i guess the decision has been made for me.

That.....doesn't......happen.......to .......most.......men

ever

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