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Lunchb0x wrote:
Where does it state that the new models will be made of resin?

On a side note I spoke to GW and GW corporate and both stated that they are not switching to resin, and this type of rumour happens every year as they go and make room for "floor" space for retail/gw stores for the new products and the other products are just moved to direct. Its a standard procedure to world over, since floor space is a premium , and you want to push the newest product more so then the products you have already paid for all the tool and die for.

Indeed! As with every rumor of doom and gloom, the return of the Squat Demiurg army, and now pewter curdling to resin, I call bull$#!+ until I see a press release or model release proving otherwise.

Lunchb0x wrote:Where does it state that the new models will be made of resin?

On a side note I spoke to GW and GW corporate and both stated that they are not switching to resin, and this type of rumour happens every year as they go and make room for "floor" space for retail/gw stores for the new products and the other products are just moved to direct. Its a standard procedure to world over, since floor space is a premium , and you want to push the newest product more so then the products you have already paid for all the tool and die for.

Keep in mind that you're quoting something from the same group of people who denied that Space Hulk was being re-released!


Eric

I really hope this rumor is false. I hate resin, and will be loathe to work with it. I'd need to buy a vacuum system for my workshop and wear a mask just to deflash a model. Hatred.

Lunchb0x wrote:On a side note I spoke to GW and GW corporate and both stated that they are not switching to resin, and this type of rumour happens every year as they go and make room for "floor" space for retail/gw stores for the new products and the other products are just moved to direct.

Suggest a bet over 50$ that GW will release resin miniatures until end of the year then

Praxiss wrote:Apparently GW has stopped shipping metal blisters out to even their own stores now and something "amazing" (quoting the manager from my local GW here) will be announced in May.

my FLGS said that it looks like GW will stop shipping blisters to FLGSs and only do GW stores and the online store to try to increase their profit margin

valiantjared wrote:my FLGS said that it looks like GW will stop shipping blisters to FLGSs and only do GW stores and the online store to try to increase their profit margin

Slightly wrong. GW currently has a range of miniatures that are available to both their own retail stores and independent accounts. The miniatures that move to Mail Order only leave both independent stores, and GW retail stores. Both types of store can special order them and have them shipped from mail order to them.

There have been models moving out of the main range steadily over the last few years, especially as new plastic kits come out. The latest move is highly accelerated, and comes with a different message. I've never been told to "not orderd metal, sell down existing stock, and wait for a big announcement". Metal is on 'sell down' and 'available while stock lasts'. That an entirely different animal from 'moved to Direct Order'.

I'm betting on a move to resin based on conversations with several people who have recently left GW. Current employees obviously can't talk about it until the announcement in may. Ex-employees are under no such gag order.

The bottom line is, GW in the US makes a lot of money selling to independent FLGS. Cutting the amount of product we have will hurt profits. Replacing those kits with resin will let us continue to make them money while cutting their own costs as metal continues to rise in price.

When GW gets 500 stores in the US, not 50, then they might be able to do without independent stores. But they have trouble keeping those stores going, so I don't look for a huge expansion anytime soon.

Seriously, this would be a great time for GW to do some sort of PR and clear this up.

Lunchb0x wrote:Seriously, this would be a great time for GW to do some sort of PR and clear this up.

If you know much about GW, you know that this is not their style.
They don't tip their hand until they're ready to lay down their cards.

Eric

Oh I know...but this is just getting annoying. Every year some new rumour comes out about X , Y, Z being done by GW. I dont really care if they make a change, I just dont want them to stop making the specialist games.

Not to get too far off topic, but won't a move to resin create an astronomical increase in the number of counterfeit minis? People are already recasting GWs minis in resin. If the real ones are resin, it presumably would be easier to be duped by the knock offs.

Kilkrazy wrote:I agree.

The number of newbies who buy specialist games must be tiny. Presumably veterans have by now bought what they want or aren't interested.

There is zero ambition within GW for promoting old or new SG titles. They have been left to wither on the vine for several years.

When I was working as a staffer, I heard that GW had initially intended to close down SGs entirely. However, Jervis Johnson offered to take them under his own responsibility (essentially being responsible for everything), and I suppose with the understanding it would cost practically zero upkeep and might generate a modest income they let him do so.

Lunchb0x wrote:Oh I know...but this is just getting annoying. Every year some new rumour comes out about X , Y, Z being done by GW. I dont really care if they make a change, I just dont want them to stop making the specialist games.

I'd seriously consider buying what you need now.

spaceelf wrote:Not to get too far off topic, but won't a move to resin create an astronomical increase in the number of counterfeit minis? People are already recasting GWs minis in resin. If the real ones are resin, it presumably would be easier to be duped by the knock offs.

No moreso than is currently happening with people recasting in metal.

If anything, it will probably make it easier to spot counterfeits, since it's easier to spot different types of resin than to tell the difference between two different tin alloys...

GW killing Epic and BB would be a coup de grace that's been long in the making. And really, the fanbase deserves some kind of closure, and the ability to move on to better games without the spectre of SG lingering on, like a man on life support.

Agamemnon2 wrote:GW killing Epic and BB would be a coup de grace that's been long in the making. And really, the fanbase deserves some kind of closure, and the ability to move on to better games without the spectre of SG lingering on, like a man on life support.

Its never easy to see your favorite games and miniatures die... I think fanbase who supported the games need much more than a closure.

Indeed, and you could argue that the games will continue to be played and enjoyed by many even if GW does pull the plug. It's not like they have had any official support for years in any case, and there is a pretty healthy fan community for most of them.

Perhaps GW is moving blisters to mail order only due to the price of metal and a planned transition to another material. This may be the only way to remain profitable on those products made in metal.

This way GW can maintain the supply to the player base (direct only and at full retail but with free shipping) until the transition to a new material is complete. With other companies raising prices as well I suspect GW would be operating at a loss if they continued to sell blisters to independent stores.

Now if this is all indeed the case I think it is a quick, bold, and wise move.

Not a GW apologist, they do a lot that confounds me. Im looking at this from a purely business aspect. The down side is the stores get hurt. While your ordering your blisters might as well toss in a few other things right. This may work so well for GW they may think keeping blisters mail order only is a good idea. I would think it is not.

I think GW would only benefit from announcing their plans even if nothing is in stone atm. Throw in a line about it being a fluid situation and things change.

Just my 2 drachma worth.

mikhaila wrote:

valiantjared wrote:my FLGS said that it looks like GW will stop shipping blisters to FLGSs and only do GW stores and the online store to try to increase their profit margin

Slightly wrong. GW currently has a range of miniatures that are available to both their own retail stores and independent accounts. The miniatures that move to Mail Order only leave both independent stores, and GW retail stores. Both types of store can special order them and have them shipped from mail order to them.

There have been models moving out of the main range steadily over the last few years, especially as new plastic kits come out. The latest move is highly accelerated, and comes with a different message. I've never been told to "not orderd metal, sell down existing stock, and wait for a big announcement". Metal is on 'sell down' and 'available while stock lasts'. That an entirely different animal from 'moved to Direct Order'.

I'm betting on a move to resin based on conversations with several people who have recently left GW. Current employees obviously can't talk about it until the announcement in may. Ex-employees are under no such gag order.

The bottom line is, GW in the US makes a lot of money selling to independent FLGS. Cutting the amount of product we have will hurt profits. Replacing those kits with resin will let us continue to make them money while cutting their own costs as metal continues to rise in price.

When GW gets 500 stores in the US, not 50, then they might be able to do without independent stores. But they have trouble keeping those stores going, so I don't look for a huge expansion anytime soon.

I pray that day never happens, I refuse to go to the GW stores because they are just bleeding money away from our local stores

Support your local community everyone!

Still waiting for the official announcement, but a local German GW shop revealed the official name from an official meeting yesterday on Facebook: it is "Citadel Finecast" and will start 28th May (thanks to mytaru on Warseer for finding this).

Gifts for geeks has an announcement up about it with some pricing.

http://www.giftsforgeeks.org.uk/blog/?p=570&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dd1185cd45d3132%2C0

Speaking of prices:
To celebrate this transformation from metal to resin, expect ... paper and plastic products to go up in prices, esp. Codices, army books (including the Tomb King book!), then most battleforce boxes and several others.

Bookwrack wrote:Gifts for geeks has an announcement up about it with some pricing.

http://www.giftsforgeeks.org.uk/blog/?p=570&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dd1185cd45d3132%2C0

Link's broken. Your mistake or do you think GW got them to shut down the page?

Conspiracy theorists; Go!

Eric

GW SHUT THEM DOWN FOR REVILING THEIR PLANS!

Did I do it right, Magickal?

Kanluwen wrote:GW SHUT THEM DOWN FOR REVILING THEIR PLANS!

Did I do it right, Magickal?

Do what right? Make a terrible post referencing a bad meme?

Yes.

GW US announced the finecast and details to be released next Monday.

Sarigar wrote:GW US announced the finecast and details to be released next Monday.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400050a

Oh dear. A lot.

This isn't good. Might be time to start dusting off my Cryx

Last time GW told flgs no to ordering i was working in one n it was just repackaging, I couldnt care less either way if its s decent model it will get bought by people if its a resonable price. Sorry if its GW version of resonable lol.

But if there moving to resin why release new metal minis for redone armies? makes no sense, ahhh its GW hence the no making sense, to make molds for new minis then stop so soon.

Looks like a 5%-25% price increase across the board.

KING LOUEN LEONCOEUR £30.00/$49.50USD/$83AUD

ouch!

Kanluwen wrote:GW SHUT THEM DOWN FOR REVILING THEIR PLANS!

Did I do it right, Magickal?

Close, but I think I've gotta go with Worglock on this one, re: the inclusion of the meme.
You could have probably elaborated more, as well. Perhaps about the specific threats they probably made or just a diatribe on the evil that is GW corporate.

A good initial effort, though.


Eric