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Absolutely. Especially when he ends up being the new Chaos Corpse-God of Death as one of the many theories goes.

Apparently (in-character information from GW's Inquisitor RPG) he may still be reborn, wouldn't even need any psykers for that. But I suppose this just means he'd end up in a mortal form again?

Not that this wouldn't be somewhat epic by itself. Imagine the nerdgasms of all those zealots across the Imperium when they hear he's truly back ... and then his facepalm when he sees what has become of his Imperium.

That's the funniest part of the whole reborn theory. The first thing he would do is immediatly declare war on the imperium that claims to be fighting in his name. He would claim to be the emperor (heresy number 1), order them to give in all religion (heresy 2- he is obviously a chaos cultist in disguise trying to undermine the IoM) and then try to take control when they tell him he is not in charge (heresy number 3). The high lords are corrupt and would are too afraid of change to let the emperor take over. He would tear the imperium apart- or die when the inquisition issue an exterminatus on his planet.

Brother Coa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Also Real Life (TM)

QFT, every time we take down one evil another one emerge.

German Empire then Nazi Germany then USSR then Terrorism then America?

American Empire. Calling it now. We will have one someday.

Kurgash wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Also Real Life (TM)

QFT, every time we take down one evil another one emerge.

German Empire then Nazi Germany then USSR then Terrorism then America?

American Empire. Calling it now. We will have one someday.

No calling needed its already in the works.

Yay America!

American Empire. Calling it now. We will have one someday.

Uh, we have one now. We just don't call them colonies or w/e, we call them "protectorates".

And this not to mention the rather subversive manner in which we inject our culture, and economy, into both allied and less-so nations...

Yeah, but it isn't cool until you're blatant about it.

4M2A wrote:That's the funniest part of the whole reborn theory. The first thing he would do is immediatly declare war on the imperium that claims to be fighting in his name. He would claim to be the emperor (heresy number 1), order them to give in all religion (heresy 2- he is obviously a chaos cultist in disguise trying to undermine the IoM) and then try to take control when they tell him he is not in charge (heresy number 3). The high lords are corrupt and would are too afraid of change to let the emperor take over. He would tear the imperium apart- or die when the inquisition issue an exterminatus on his planet.

Uhhh........you are wrong on so many levels.

He will probably reborn inside throne room, and when he get to the High Lords of Terra with 10.300 Custodes behind him you will think they will judge him?
If they resist even little he will fry them and then take control over the Imperium. The Grey Knights will stand with him as will Inquisition and Mechanicus. Doesen't seems to me like "parting up the Imperium".

And everyone know how he looks, and giving his size and powers none will judge him.

Brother Coa wrote:

4M2A wrote:That's the funniest part of the whole reborn theory. The first thing he would do is immediatly declare war on the imperium that claims to be fighting in his name. He would claim to be the emperor (heresy number 1), order them to give in all religion (heresy 2- he is obviously a chaos cultist in disguise trying to undermine the IoM) and then try to take control when they tell him he is not in charge (heresy number 3). The high lords are corrupt and would are too afraid of change to let the emperor take over. He would tear the imperium apart- or die when the inquisition issue an exterminatus on his planet.

Uhhh........you are wrong on so many levels.

He will probably reborn inside throne room, and when he get to the High Lords of Terra with 10.300 Custodes behind him you will think they will judge him?
If they resist even little he will fry them and then take control over the Imperium. The Grey Knights will stand with him as will Inquisition and Mechanicus. Doesen't seems to me like "parting up the Imperium".

And everyone know how he looks, and giving his size and powers none will judge him.

He's not wrong. It's simply his theory, one that isn't entirely unlikely. What you've said is your own theory, one that's not exactly explained as gracefully.
One thing I disagree with 4M2A on is the Emperor declaring war so quickly. I doubt he would just immediately attempt war on such a scale, he would consolidate the parts he wanted to keep, or try and sway those who worship him from their beliefs, or he may just run with the whole God thing and embrace his new position.

iproxtaco wrote: one that's not exactly explained as gracefully.

Do you have a brain at all? Must I all explain??? God Emperor stop Trolling me

I will explain in a way you can understand: in steps.

Step 1: Emperor dies.
Step 2: Suppose that Star Child theory is correct - he resurrect.
Step 3: He resurrect in Throne Room from his dead body and Custodes greet him.
Step 4: He exit the throne room and get's greet by 10.000 Custodes and 2 Titans.
Step 5: He take his 10.300 Custodes and exit the outer throne room
Step 6: He walk to the High Lords of Terra metting room ( ort where they gater and do stuff ).
Step 7: He present himself and ask for a report ( with 10.300 Custodes behind him ).
Step 8: When HLoT ( High Lords of Terra ) see that Custodes are actually following this men and that he look EXACTLY like guy on pictures and icons and bla bla bla... They conclude that he is the Emperor and that he returned from the dead.
Step 9: Several HLoT stod up against him and declaring him a heretc - he kills them on spot.
Step 10: Rest of HLoT swear their allegiance to him, as well as representative from Inquisition and Adeptus Mechanicus ( fabricator general to be precise ).
Step 11: Emperor gear's up and goes with his 10.300 Custodes on a crusade to save the Imperium.

In short - he get their allegiance at the very beginning. So there is no rebellion, no fight and no war. Same if Jesus, Muhammad and Buda came down on Earth. They would just show us their powers and we would obey like good believers we are.

Did you understand or did I need to draw it?

Brother Coa wrote:

iproxtaco wrote: one that's not exactly explained as gracefully.

Do you have a brain at all? Must I all explain??? God Emperor stop Trolling me

I will explain in a way you can understand: in steps.

Step 1: Emperor dies.
Step 2: Suppose that Star Child theory is correct - he resurrect.
Step 3: He resurrect in Throne Room from his dead body and Custodes greet him.
Step 4: He exit the throne room and get's greet by 10.000 Custodes and 2 Titans.
Step 5: He take his 10.300 Custodes and exit the outer throne room
Step 6: He walk to the High Lords of Terra metting room ( ort where they gater and do stuff ).
Step 7: He present himself and ask for a report ( with 10.300 Custodes behind him ).
Step 8: When HLoT ( High Lords of Terra ) see that Custodes are actually following this men and that he look EXACTLY like guy on pictures and icons and bla bla bla... They conclude that he is the Emperor and that he returned from the dead.
Step 9: Several HLoT stod up against him and declaring him a heretc - he kills them on spot.
Step 10: Rest of HLoT swear their allegiance to him, as well as representative from Inquisition and Adeptus Mechanicus ( fabricator general to be precise ).
Step 11: Emperor gear's up and goes with his 10.300 Custodes on a crusade to save the Imperium.

In short - he get their allegiance at the very beginning. So there is no rebellion, no fight and no war. Same if Jesus, Muhammad and Buda came down on Earth. They would just show us their powers and we would obey like good believers we are.
Did you understand or did I need to draw it?

It was never a matter of whether or not I understood. I did, if it matters. I simply stated that your explanation was a little rough in that post. Again though, it's your theory, not right, not wrong, we'll see what happens if 40k ever advances to that stage.

You said: not explained while it was.
Just my opinion, but still - very possible giving the main writers loyalties.

I never said it wasn't explained at all, you're making that up. I stated that it wasn't explained 'as gracefully', meaning that it was a little rough and lacked specifics, but I understood you perfectly, there's no need for arrogant condescension just because someone disagrees.

Coa, the guy had a theory. You don't need to flame him. Your theory doesn't have any more credibility than his. Both of your theories are based on canon and both of them are just educated guesses.

I didn't said ..... never mind.....some things are better left were they are...

And German Situation in 1944 is similar to some ways - but not all as he claimed.
Imperium can still kick, and kick hard. Germany in 1944-45 was so kicked that they regrut old men and young boys to fight. And they had no air or armor support. Imeprium still have all of this. And Imperium enemies are fighting among themselves for real, Allies fight only with politics, and draw in the end. ( they split Europe in 2 and start arming )

For everything else he is right ( except for Tyranids bombing Mars or Orks bombing Terra ). Happy now?

Immensely.

BTOP, evil does win, it's just that they lose everything they win. The Imperium is slow but incredibly powerful, so once they finally do get somewhere, they win. But they rarely conquer anything new, it's all just old stuff that they lost.

I reckon its all about belief. If enough people think its the Emporer (and he attually is with all the crazy powerness) then the high lords will have no choice to belive. just look at the Guants ghosts books the Sabbat comes back none of the high command are willing to belive untill she turns the tide of battle.

That's because she hadn't really shown up in the flesh to them until then....

Melissia wrote:That's because she hadn't really shown up in the flesh to them until then....

Finished "The Saint" I guess?

Melissia wrote:That's because she hadn't really shown up in the flesh to them until then....

Still if the big E came back he would be the greatest human to ever do anything, even if the high lords don't belive it at first they will when the see his abilities

Shortly after the Emperor's original interment (like decades, not minutes), the whole "Emperor can resurrect himself if we just kill him" was discovered and brought to the High Lords of Terra. They decided to just leave things the way they were, assuming it would just cause another civil war, and they hadn't even recovered from the first one yet.

They're reasoning at the time would only be stronger in today's Imperium.

DarknessEternal wrote:Shortly after the Emperor's original interment (like decades, not minutes), the whole "Emperor can resurrect himself if we just kill him" was discovered and brought to the High Lords of Terra. They decided to just leave things the way they were, assuming it would just cause another civil war, and they hadn't even recovered from the first one yet.

They're reasoning at the time would only be stronger in today's Imperium.

Civil war might be good for them though. They will lose territory, but they will have their almighty Emperor to take it back after and will return to his ideals, which wold be much better.

Nicholas wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Shortly after the Emperor's original interment (like decades, not minutes), the whole "Emperor can resurrect himself if we just kill him" was discovered and brought to the High Lords of Terra. They decided to just leave things the way they were, assuming it would just cause another civil war, and they hadn't even recovered from the first one yet.

They're reasoning at the time would only be stronger in today's Imperium.

Civil war might be good for them though. They will lose territory, but they will have their almighty Emperor to take it back after and will return to his ideals, which wold be much better.

The almighty emprah is far from being almighty. Besides that, i honestly doubt that the imperium of man can endure the devastation of a second great civil war, not with the difficult situation at the end of the 40. millenium.

Coa - Why would the emperor be reborn into his old body. There is no reason he would want to be reborn into a decaying corpse, the whole reason the imperium is in such a bad state is that his body isn't capable of containing his soul. When the shamans were reborn they went to a new body, it makes sense to think he would do it the same way. Since he is being born again there is nor reason to think he would look the same. It's been 10,000 years since the HH no one has any idea (aside from some custodes and dreads) what the emperor was like.

He wouldn't choose to attack the IoM but the imperium has a lot of procedures in place for stopping people rising up. The whole setting is against people ever changing position. The imperium doesn't want people to progress and rise through the imperium, they want people to stay where they are. Eventually he is going to be discovered even if it's just as some imperial leader. His views are too far from the Imperium's ideas for it to be a smooth take over.

So you are saying that Jesus will not return as we picture him but in a new body?

But the other claims are true also, if Jesus ever return the Church would tell him to f*** off.

KingDeath wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Shortly after the Emperor's original interment (like decades, not minutes), the whole "Emperor can resurrect himself if we just kill him" was discovered and brought to the High Lords of Terra. They decided to just leave things the way they were, assuming it would just cause another civil war, and they hadn't even recovered from the first one yet.

They're reasoning at the time would only be stronger in today's Imperium.

Civil war might be good for them though. They will lose territory, but they will have their almighty Emperor to take it back after and will return to his ideals, which wold be much better.

The almighty emprah is far from being almighty. Besides that, i honestly doubt that the imperium of man can endure the devastation of a second great civil war, not with the difficult situation at the end of the 40. millenium.

Almighty was a sort of joke, but I think they could survive they would lose a lot of course. With the Emperor at the helm what is to stop another crusade to take it back though. Who is really in a position to wipe mankind completely off the map now? The Imperium might not exist as a whole for a while, but humanity would rebuild their Empire. The only problem I could see would be Abbadon, but a civil war will not make the Imperiums defenses disappear Cadia will still be almost as defended as ever. Everyone else has their own problems to deal wit or don't care.

Orks might take a few worlds, but won't care enough to organize something big enough to exterminate humanity.

Nids only threat could be Leviathen and their tied up by Orks.

Tau will gain some worlds nothing huge though as they still have to deal with their own enemies like Orks or parts of Leviathen. Let's be honest they need more worlds anyway.

Dark Eldar or Eldar don't care enough to do anything. Eldar might even try to help as humanity is still a big buffer for them.

Necrons

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Melissia wrote:That's because she hadn't really shown up in the flesh to them until then....

Finished "The Saint" I guess?

The only Gaunt book I haven't read at the moment is Salvation's Reach.

Er what, I don't believe in jesus so I'm not quite sure what the point of the question is. However how he looks is irrelevant since almost noone knows what the emperor (or jesus- for example all depictions put his white when clearly was not) looked like. There are thousands of versions of the imperial creed and it's impossible to fit in with all of them. There are many ways to change appearance and you could easily make yourself look emperor-ish. The problem is that whatever the emperor does to try and prove his identity the IoM will have an argument that discredits it. They will do everything possible to stop him. Even without their help enough people will refuse to believe it's him for their to be a serious civil war.

His opposition to religion makes it even harder. How would muslims react if a man turns up claims to be a prophet, then tells them to drop all the religious stuff because they got it all wrong. I don't see that going down wel and that's without a central organisation fighting against it.

Something tells me a rebellion by somebody like the Emperor will be much harder to squash then a normal leader. It would be much better planned and would be backed by anyone who knows the Emperor isn't alive at the moment, namely custodes, marines, Gray Knights, and anyone else could be easily convinced by a show of power.

Also let's not bring religion into this.

I guess the problem will be that a reborn Emperor would have a hard time convincing people of who he really is. Sure, once a powerbase is established it might get a bit easier - see Sebastian Thor - but at first he'd just be seen like a heretical madman.

Some guy in beggar's clothes: "Hey, I'm the reborn Emperor."
Random Arbites Enforcer: *facepunch*

He wouldn't even get noticed by the higher-ups at first, let alone recognized.

Also ... I wonder how he would be reborn. Like a completely new child that doesn't even have a clue of its potential at first?