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assultmarine wrote:
*edit* do you think a gun general descusion theard would be of use on the forums?

I don't think a general discussion would be useful, it can go in far to many directions, then the OT line gets blurred, and bad things happen.

Besides, that's what this thread essentially is anyway, though its focus is on suggestions and recommendations.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

assultmarine wrote:
*edit* do you think a gun general descusion theard would be of use on the forums?

I don't think a general discussion would be useful, it can go in far to many directions, then the OT line gets blurred, and bad things happen.

good point, the OT is......not renowned for its ability to stay on topic

*edit* thanks for that info Mel, much appreciated

assultmarine wrote:

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

assultmarine wrote:
*edit* do you think a gun general descusion theard would be of use on the forums?

I don't think a general discussion would be useful, it can go in far to many directions, then the OT line gets blurred, and bad things happen.

good point, the OT is......not renowned for its ability to stay on topic

*edit* thanks for that info Mel, much appreciated

Plus starting out with a topic makes it easier to not get the thread locked when the anti-gun folks get riled up, as its easier to just say "lets not get OT" and be done with it.

@Mel:
If you saw the last episode of Top Shot, they used the gun I suggested in the Elimination Challenge.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Sigh...
If you don't know much about guns then you shouldn't be making suggestions
If you read the OP, or half the thread, you would know its for self defense
These two points are pretty obvious, and already said by both the OP and half the posters, but with actual examples and suggestions
At this point one could think your trolling. These three statements contradict each other so horribly that no one can take you seriously.
I'm not trying to be a D-bag, but you really should think, and research, before you make a post, especially if its one you know nothing about. If you know little about pistols, or firearms in general, you could have just put up a question instead of that... post. Someone would have gladly answered it.

I was reluctant to post in the first place, seeing as I don't have much experience towards them. But just because I don't know much, doesn't negate my right to make a suggestion. By the way, thank you for pointing me out, saying you're not trying to be a with the entire post implying that exact intention. I especially like how you seperately pick out every few words and make a statement about it. I merely put in a suggestion, seeing as I found the thread interesting. Poor as my opinion may be, that doesn't exactly mean mines must be taken into consideration.

LumenPraebeo wrote:

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Sigh...
If you don't know much about guns then you shouldn't be making suggestions
If you read the OP, or half the thread, you would know its for self defense
These two points are pretty obvious, and already said by both the OP and half the posters, but with actual examples and suggestions
At this point one could think your trolling. These three statements contradict each other so horribly that no one can take you seriously.
I'm not trying to be a D-bag, but you really should think, and research, before you make a post, especially if its one you know nothing about. If you know little about pistols, or firearms in general, you could have just put up a question instead of that... post. Someone would have gladly answered it.

I was reluctant to post in the first place, seeing as I don't have much experience towards them. But just because I don't know much, doesn't negate my right to make a suggestion. By the way, thank you for pointing me out, saying you're not trying to be a with the entire post implying that exact intention. I especially like how you seperately pick out every few words and make a statement about it. I merely put in a suggestion, seeing as I found the thread interesting. Poor as my opinion may be, that doesn't exactly mean mines must be taken into consideration.

Think what you want about my ness, I was ALOT nicer then some of the other people that would have eventually said something. I picked it apart because your "suggestion" didn't contribute anything whatsoever to the topic, and actually contradicted itself for the most part. I never negated your right to make a suggestion, I said you should look into the subject first, 5 minutes on Google or a question to one of us could have made that a very different post, and like I said, asking a question won't get you laughed at, everyone starts somewhere. But putting the buggy in front of the horse only gets you in trouble. If you have further issues with me or what I said feel free to PM me as I don't wish to OT this thread anymore. Cheers

Lolwut.

Drama aside, I think I'm gonna wait a bit. College funds come first after all. It's kinda also why I often buy games that are five years old and thus dirt cheap, lol...

Though the guns aren't likely to be any cheaper, that's for sure. At any rate, I still enjoy talking about them and potential buyers. Has there been any gun handle actually designed specifically for the average female hands?

I'd suggest a browning highpower... though I couldn't give you any reasons why other than that Anita Blake uses them.

Has there been any gun handle actually designed specifically for the average female hands?

None that I can remember top of my head. Course, a lot of modern firearms aren't designed for the average MALE hand (Hi H&K!) either. Best way is to just go put your hands on a lot of hardware, particularly weapons like the M&P with interchangeable grip components, or things like the "SF" marked Glocks and see what fits.

Hm. I'll look into M&P handles. SIG Sauer also advertised varying handles too, so I should look into that.

Dunno about the SIG offering, but the changing grip panels turned the M&P into something that fit my hand well enough to put it on my "Will buy" list. Made me also contemplate replacing the Glock at the time, deciding factor would have been a range outing which I could not get.

whilst wer'e on the subject of fire-arms, how did you all learn to shoot?

Well, once upon a time, there was a boy. A boy who got the rules of handling a firearm safely drilled into him by his daddy. Then he was given a BB gun on his 11th birthday, and he read the <CENSORED> instruction manual.

What happened in the ensuing years was repetition and expansion on that done on my own time.

Similar story, but it was a .22 instead of a bb gun. Add in the Army.

Family exposed me to guns really young, much younger then my Mom knew about

My Uncle is a fairly burned out Nam vet, but never had any sons so when I would visit them for a week or so when I was younger, around 5 or 6, he would take me out in the woods and started teach me to shoot on a old pump action .22, then around 7 or so started learning on a 10/22 (boy was my mom surprised when I already knew how to use it) and she agreed to let me learn her .22 Ruger pistol (revolver type) it went on for years and years, maybe around 10 or 11 I was upgraded to shotguns and a SKS and some other higher caliber revolver, though the .44 mag didn't last very long, scared the piss outta me. Around 16 my grandfather gave me a .22 pistol, then about 2 weeks later "traded" me for his .357 Mag, he was getting on in years and the snubby hurt his wrists to bad. Of course it had to stay in the safe with the rest of the guns, but was "mine" in a form.

Then joined the military at 18, and spent the last 8 years learning alot more, though my foundation and the the safety rules beat into me certainly helped.

My dad was a small game hunting buff, and so taught my brothers and I. My oldest joined the Marines and learned more there, and the Giant and myself just like to target shoot and whatnot, and learn about firearms by surfing internet forums and talking to the guys that know what they are talking about

From my father, same as the others basically.

Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:I myself think a 1911 is quite a big weapon to easily conceal yet be able to draw in a situation. I'm personally looking at the M&P line for defense and target shooting. It's chambered in a variety of tasty calibers, isn't bad on the eyes, and is pretty good on the wallet, starting at around $600.

EDIT: Certain models also come with adjustable palmwell sizes, for an individual and better feel

Before you get one ILB be sure to test shoot one. The triggers are reported to be a bit mushy. This is one I have looked at and from what I have garnered:
*Decent accuracy and fewer parts to break down.
*Glock action et al. On the positive there is also a manual safety if you like that (I like that).
*Cost is very moderate.
*Easy dissassembly.
*Trigger is mushy but fairly accurate.
*There are cheap after market trigger kits to help this - making it a good action pistol or alternatively a good target setup.
*There are also aftermarket match grade barrels for it.




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Melissia wrote:Lolwut.

Drama aside, I think I'm gonna wait a bit. College funds come first after all. It's kinda also why I often buy games that are five years old and thus dirt cheap, lol...

Though the guns aren't likely to be any cheaper, that's for sure. At any rate, I still enjoy talking about them and potential buyers. Has there been any gun handle actually designed specifically for the average female hands?

1. As noted there are several pistol lines now that have adjustable palm swells. All are good: S&W (Smith and Wesson); Glock; Walther; and Springfield Armory (XDM series).

2. Hand size is truly a personal thing. Grandma Frazzled has a small .380 but she always liked shooting the standard 1911 size. I've had women like model 29s and blast away (the Dirty Harry Revolver but with pachmyr grips); and both Genghis Connie and She Who Must Be Obeyed like the Beretta 92 with Hogue finger grips.


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assultmarine wrote:whilst wer'e on the subject of fire-arms, how did you all learn to shoot?

In this order:
*Frazzled Sr. ("Come on kid, we're going to shoot this rifle." "Its bigger than I am." "Quit you'r whining and get bigger.")
*A group I hung out with in college. This included former Rangers (Vietnam era not current) and the range master for San Bernardino County sheriffs (this is awhile ago, he's likely retired now). This is the groupI had the most fun with. We shot pistols at targets across a valley, blew up water heaters and car doors, taped mirrors to shoot rifles upside down, then sort of fun stuff.
*Private lessons (shotgun)
*Private lessons (pistol)

assultmarine wrote:whilst wer'e on the subject of fire-arms, how did you all learn to shoot?

My dad asked if I wanted to come help him set up his stand for Deer hunting. While we were up there, he let me shoot his old .22 at some cans.

assultmarine wrote:whilst wer'e on the subject of fire-arms, how did you all learn to shoot?

From a family of vets going from Vietnam back thru Korea and World War II. Shot my first M1911 at 12, boy was that a surprise..... Got serious shooting instruction from Uncle Sam at 17 and carried one on and off for 22 years along with my primary weapon.

The supposed lack of stopping power with the M9 has everything to do with the ammo and our ridiculous rules regarding ammunition in the military, not the pistol. Especially against un-armored targets at close range (which is usually when a pistol is needed!!). The Ball ammo goes right through. It's the difference between getting a sewing needle jammed in your arm (hurts like hell, but it isn't the end of the world) and having a sledgehammer come crashing down on your arm with full force. The hollowpoint (or even wadcutters for that matter) are vastly superior to FMJ when it comes to stopping something fleshy. They hit harder over a larger area. Plus the bullets do more damage to the flesh causing severe wounds that are pretty much going to kill the target unless they're in a hospital.

Full metal jacket does tend to go thru ballistic vests when a hollow point won't.

Different environments- Home vs combat zone.

Strange that the 45 uses FMJ and does not have the 9mm problem.....

NeedleOfInquiry wrote:Full metal jacket does tend to go thru ballistic vests when a hollow point won't.

Different environments- Home vs combat zone.

Strange that the 45 uses FMJ and does not have the 9mm problem.....

Bigger bullet my man, difference between 130 grains and 230 is night and day, plus the powder loads are so different too. Lots of different sizes between these two rounds also.

I haven't seen where many FMJ pistol rounds have punched through Class III Vests, rifle rounds do it routinely. Obviously Hollow points don't, but they hit a lot harder in a relatively larger area (easily causing internal trauma, fracturing/shattering bones and bruising organs).

I would love to be able to use my M1874 Trapdoor rifle with it's .45-70 510 Grain slug on a half rack of beef or pork. Bring the pain

I've been looking at weapons like the P90, and other uniquely designed ones. What's the most interesting non-standard weapon design you've seen?

The Mateba Autorevolver is humorous, to be sure...



Giving up the main reason to have a revolver-- reliability-- for rate of fire is lulzworthy.

It's a interesting looking shotgun.

Reminds me of the HS10,



Very odd weapon, basically a bullpup shotgun.

Melissia wrote:Reminds me of the HS10,



Very odd weapon, basically a bullpup shotgun.

Given the purpose of a shotgun that seem... unnecessary

I have always found the H&K P7s delay mechanism interesting, and the Kel-Tec KSG magazine system. I really want to get a closer look at one.

Given the purpose of a shotgun that seem... unnecessary

What, a short, compact weapon with a lot of firepower on tap? Seems like what a shotgun should be!

youbedead wrote:

Melissia wrote:Reminds me of the HS10,



Very odd weapon, basically a bullpup shotgun.

Given the purpose of a shotgun that seem... unnecessary

Actually it's rather ideal for a shotgun. Maximizes barrel length (less spread for less collateral damage) and minimizes weapon size. Problem is, it's right-handed only, like most bullpup designs, most are somewhat inferior designs. This one honestly could use some work.

what are you going to use the handgun for? a 5" barrel is difficult for conceal carry. Something to consider.

Colt 1911 are very nice generally speaking, and you can not go wrong for quality.

$800 is a real nice price point when it comes to a pistol. Lots of good quality side arms in that price range.