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FITZZ wrote: Have to admit I'm a bit perplexed by your apparent dislike of Taurus sckitzo, I've owned my PT92 for well over a decade and have had absolutely no problems with it..

Their getting better, but the 90's early 2000 was a bad time for them CS and QA wise

Here is one thread that sums up one dudes experience.

Though mainly my paranoia goes towards their revolvers, not the SA's, I fired one of their 1911 clones, it was decent but didn't feel that great to me.

I'm just picky, their a decent range gun at an affordable price, I just wouldn't carry one for self defense unless it was a brand I personally trusted, I've fired thousands of rounds out of Beretta's enough that I trust em and know their quirks, but alot of people hate them with a passion.

NWS/NSFW - If your offended by the F bomb...alot



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halonachos wrote:You want cheap, Russian surplus. You want dependable, spend a little bit more.

Hey my Mosin Nagant eats everything! Sure, it's heavy, kicks like a mule and looks like it saw service in Stalingrad, but if I run out of ammo I can spear someone with it

The Mosin Nagant, however, is somewhat unique amongst Russian firearms pre-AK47 in that it's actually good (heck, even German sharpshooters tried to get their hands on them in WWII).

Melissia wrote:The Mosin Nagant, however, is somewhat unique amongst Russian firearms pre-AK47 in that it's actually good (heck, even German sharpshooters tried to get their hands on them in WWII).

Nein, I'm talking about the 1895 Nagant revolver. Seven rounds, gas seal, special looking bullets, ability to be silenced. It was issued during the second world war and the NVA used silenced versions as assassination weapons, other notable groups to use it include the USSR, and secret police agencies. In fact it was issued to recon/scout units during the second world war.

I was responding to Sckitzo's post...

Melissia wrote:I was responding to Sckitzo's post...

Oh, okay then yes I do agree with you.

Hell right now I'm in a pickle, do I get a 1895 revolver or do I get the M44 Nagant Carbine for $200.00?

I love mine, and I love my K98K, so much history behind both of em, I just wish the K98 had matching serial numbers.

The K98


The Mosin


Sadly, neither are a sniper variant, it's on my list, after a 1903 and a Garand.

That 98 has a brutal kick though

Are Revolvers an option? or are you set on a semi-automatic?

They're an option, but I'm very particular on my revolver aesthetics.

halonachos wrote:

Melissia wrote:I was responding to Sckitzo's post...

Oh, okay then yes I do agree with you.

Hell right now I'm in a pickle, do I get a 1895 revolver or do I get the M44 Nagant Carbine for $200.00?

M44, and this is just internet talk, but I've heard the 1895 is one of the most unpleasant pistols ever made to fire, and that ammo is pricey as hell, when you can find it. I have not shot one in person though, but I would like one to go with my 91/30

kar98's with matching serials are about as common as a black scottish cyclops according to the demoman from TF2. The weapon was taken from POWs and the bolts were thrown into one pile while the rifle was tossed into another one, then the ones they made later in the war lacked serial numbers and stamping.

The 91/30 is a fun Mosin, but the M44 looks fun too.

My gun collection is severely lacking.

Melissia wrote:They're an option, but I'm very particular on my revolver aesthetics.

Not clean, but very rugged looking.

The cartridges are similar to a .32 and some of them can fire .32 but its not recommended. Ammo itself was not that bad actually, it doesn't come in huge boxes but I have a box of it for when I do actually buy one.

In regards to Taurus...the only real experience I have with those particularly is my Dad's Judge...its great for home defense because it can fire shotgun shells, so its handy to have something with that kind of stopping power in such a small package...

halonachos wrote:Nein, I'm talking about the 1895 Nagant revolver. Seven rounds, gas seal, special looking bullets, ability to be silenced. It was issued during the second world war and the NVA used silenced versions as assassination weapons, other notable groups to use it include the USSR, and secret police agencies. In fact it was issued to recon/scout units during the second world war.

reminds me of this...


Its the Welrod pistol, had a one bullet magazine and the entire barrel was the silencer. It was cheap, easy to produce and it worked. Was used by the OSS in WWII.

If we start talking about bolt actions though, my favorite has to be the 1903 Springfield. The one my uncle has came with its bayonet, so you can stab stuff with it, but I'd rather use its accuracy to my advantage TBH...

Melissia wrote:They're an option, but I'm very particular on my revolver aesthetics.

If you go revolver route, I suggest the Ruger SP101, I got the 3.25in barrel in .357 Mag

I prefer mine to look more like Colt's snake-named line. Which is more the pity as they don't make them anymore.

Something like this:

Sckitzo wrote:

Melissia wrote:They're an option, but I'm very particular on my revolver aesthetics.

If you go revolver route, I suggest the Ruger SP101, I got the 3.25in barrel in .357 Mag

You read my mind. i love the Sp101's looks.

Look up the ballistics data on the Judge, it's actually terrible for self defense.

The .45LC rounds loose to much pressure due to the elongated cylinder
.410 is a terrible round for self defense, even worse out of a pistol.

Slugs were the only thing that came close to meeting the FBI standard, and given the price of .410 ammo you can do alot better.

It's a Ranch gun, and a novelty gun. It does great as a ranch hand pistol, as it can deal with critters from snakes up to mountain lions, but no way would I use one for self defense, rather just have a shotgun for home defense and a pistol for when I'm out and about.

I look at price too though, I could get more than 10 nagants for the price of one 1903.

Melissia wrote:I prefer mine to look more like Colt's snake-named line. Which is more the pity as they don't make them anymore.

Something like this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=246850002

7 GRAND?! I could almost buy a Barret for that. That is a fine looking pistol, hit up pawn shops, every once in a while someone doesn't know what their selling...

Sckitzo wrote:

Melissia wrote:They're an option, but I'm very particular on my revolver aesthetics.

If you go revolver route, I suggest the Ruger SP101, I got the 3.25in barrel in .357 Mag

I've a simular style Rossi .357, find it very easy for light clothes carry.

Sckitzo wrote:

Melissia wrote:I prefer mine to look more like Colt's snake-named line. Which is more the pity as they don't make them anymore.

Something like this:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/melissiablackheart/Colt-diamondback.jpg

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=246850002

7 GRAND?! I could almost buy a Barret for that. That is a fine looking pistol, hit up pawn shops, every once in a while someone doesn't know what their selling...

I know! It sucks, but because Colt only makes their fugly little SAAs nowadays (yes, I know, heresy, but I HATE how the SAA looks and feels in my hand) all their other revolvers have skyrocketed.

Ugly guns don't sell well and people like revolvers with nice looks or something that would look fun to have on a mantle. I personally don't like to show off my weapons, sure I'll talk about them but I'm more about functionality and history. A gun used by Russian scouts during the war and maybe some secret police sounds pretty nifty.

halonachos wrote:I look at price too though, I could get more than 10 nagants for the price of one 1903.

But once you have one Nagant... might as well buy a few more

I still want a 1903, but when I buy WW2 MilSurp, I only buy war issue... which makes buying the American guns a PITA as ever since Saving Private Ryan came out the prices on them have gone through the roof.

For those that don't know
http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/rifles.htm

Looks like CMP is sold out though.

halonachos wrote:Ugly guns don't sell well and people like revolvers with nice looks or something that would look fun to have on a mantle.

Funny, the SAA sells well but I loahe it with extreme prejudice for its looks.

FITZZ wrote:

I've a simular style Rossi .357, find it very easy for light clothes carry.

How is the quality on that Rossi, I really, really want a Rossi Ranch Hand
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=17

And Melissa, hate on the SAA? I just died a little inside, have you never read The Dark Tower???

They do look a bit odd... but I'm a sucker for history.

I don't hate on its functionality, or its history. Just its looks. It looks... dorky.

halonachos wrote:I look at price too though, I could get more than 10 nagants for the price of one 1903.

True...but I already have a springfield...

Sckitzo wrote:Look up the ballistics data on the Judge, it's actually terrible for self defense.

The .45LC rounds loose to much pressure due to the elongated cylinder
.410 is a terrible round for self defense, even worse out of a pistol.

Slugs were the only thing that came close to meeting the FBI standard, and given the price of .410 ammo you can do alot better.

It's a Ranch gun, and a novelty gun. It does great as a ranch hand pistol, as it can deal with critters from snakes up to mountain lions, but no way would I use one for self defense, rather just have a shotgun for home defense and a pistol for when I'm out and about.

-shrugs- Dunno what to tell you, fired it myself, seemed to do fine on the range, not saying its my favorite but it seemed like an alright gun to me. I'd rather use our Sig P226 anyway...

Ammo for the 1895
http://www.fivesevenammo.com/shop/page10.html
http://ammoseek.com/?gun=handgun&cal=71&type=&grains=0&mfg=&keywords=&sortby=cpr

.46 pr. Ammoseek is a awesome website for finding cheap ammo.

Sckitzo wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

I've a simular style Rossi .357, find it very easy for light clothes carry.

How is the quality on that Rossi, I really, really want a Rossi Ranch Hand
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=17
.

...Ha, I like the look of the Ranch Hand...reminds me of that old Steve McQueen series.
As to my own experiances with Rossi, no real complaints, reasonably accurate, nil on signifigant kick ( but I'm a big guy), easy to maintain...did have some misfire issues, but those have been corrected.

Some reading on the Judge
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41_2.htm
http://mcb-homis.com/judge/index.htm

It's a Niche gun, if you feel comfortable with it then by all means, I was just severely disappointed in the data. The .410 isn't meant for 2 legged critters and that .45 got neutered tossing it in that pistol.


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Don't know alot about Rossi...but man I want that Ranch hand