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Everyone forgot the Androzani trees already? Or the evolved trees from the End of the World episode?


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As well, let's not pretend like environmentalism or mysticism are anything new on Doctor Who. People always make it sound like some new episode has ruined everything or has no historical precedent. OldWho did that kind of thing all the time

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It wasn't the 'save the trees' spiel that killed it for me, it was how predicatable the plot was (as soon as we had seen both the impending Solar flare and the trees not burning the ending was obvious), there was no threat beyond some badly-shoehorned-in animals, there were far too many annoying kids that were largely cutouts/stereotypes (and in all honesty, acted more like 8-year-olds than year 8 students), still no continuation of the dynamic The Caretaker set up between Danny and The Doctor (without Clara as a go-between), and basically, nothing to it in terms of substance.

Different strokes for different folks and all that, but personally I saw it as nothing more than 45 wasted minutes.

 
   
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Why would extra oxygen prevent fire anyways? Wouldn't adding a ton of oxygen actually increase fire?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Why would extra oxygen prevent fire anyways? Wouldn't adding a ton of oxygen actually increase fire?


True. I believe it was mentioned that the trees would pump out more oxygen so the flare burnt up in the atmosphere, but that would surely just engulf the world in fire and cook us all! That aside, that still wouldn't stop the effects of all the radiation that comes with a chronal mass ejection. Swy goodbye to power/light/communication, Planet Earth. Plenty of time for gardening though!

 
   
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 pretre wrote:
Everyone forgot the Androzani trees already? Or the evolved trees from the End of the World episode?


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As well, let's not pretend like environmentalism or mysticism are anything new on Doctor Who. People always make it sound like some new episode has ruined everything or has no historical precedent. OldWho did that kind of thing all the time


I know it's nothing new, but this really felt a bit too in your face. As if the script of the episode was some sort of 'environmental awareness assignment' that a bunch of 9 year olds did as some sort of entry of a competition between elementary schools...

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 Malika2 wrote:
 pretre wrote:
Everyone forgot the Androzani trees already? Or the evolved trees from the End of the World episode?


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As well, let's not pretend like environmentalism or mysticism are anything new on Doctor Who. People always make it sound like some new episode has ruined everything or has no historical precedent. OldWho did that kind of thing all the time


I know it's nothing new, but this really felt a bit too in your face. As if the script of the episode was some sort of 'environmental awareness assignment' that a bunch of 9 year olds did as some sort of entry of a competition between elementary schools...


Hey, give nine year-olds some credit, they probably have more subtlety than the people behind this wreck of an episode.

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Perhaps...but it kinda felt like a filler up episode, the season finale seems pretty intense!

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Well, I think Dr Who just died...

 
   
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Well, congratulations to the people who guessed Missy's identity! It did seem like the most likely result though. - However, I am glad that Moffat didn't decide to make it a random plot twist for the sake of it being a plot twist.

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Camas, WA

Never mind.
Enjoyed it. Glad to see missy back.

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I thought it was great.

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 Paradigm wrote:
Well, I think Dr Who just died...

How so?

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Yeah it had its moments.

The dark water was a satisfying effect.

I'm pleased we are getting a resolution on the Missy character and whatever Chris Addison is and their not dragging it out any further.

Capaldi's performances continue to outshine the generally mediocre scripts.

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It does say a rather great deal about the relationship between the Doctor and the Master.... LOL


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 Malika2 wrote:
 Paradigm wrote:
Well, I think Dr Who just died...

How so?


Because that episode, basically, I thought was complete and utter rubbish, a new low for the show. Spoilered below are my thoughts on it, so anyone who doesn't want to read them doesn't have to.

Spoiler:

Before I get to the more obviously controvertial points, the script itself was terrible. The opening basically wasted the character of Danny, meaning either he's dead, in which case it's a complete waste of potential, or he's coming back, which undermines the death scene in the first place (I'm tired of the 'Everybody Lives' moments being the norm, and I thought this series was starting to move away from that.). It was also ploddingly slow, the first half an hour painfully dragging and the last ten minutes far too rushed. It's been so long since they've done a 2-parter that it seems they've come to think it means half the pace rather than double the content.

Clara's ranting was completely out of character, and to a certain extent, so was the Doctor's reaction. While I liked the 'did you really think I cared so little that betraying me would matter' line, the rest was just badly written and poorly thought out.

Now, the Master/Mistress/Missy/Whatever we're calling he/she/it/them from now on. Ignoring for a moment the fact that the regeneration and gender swap was pointless, unfounded and at the moment inexplicable, the reveal was too poorly done. There was no set-up, no building and time to theories, it was just BAM there's a scary woman who's a droid BAM she isn't a droid BAM she's the Master BAM What the hell? Compare it to how they built up the reveal in Utopia, a really great episode, and you can see how this one is a seethrough-pale imitation.

And making him a woman, why? Unless they have a bloody good reason for the change next week, it's simply either a token gesture to the minoroty clamouring for a female Doctor (and can you imagine the noise they'll make next time now a precedent's been set?) or it was an attempt to be 'different' that fell completely flat. Like it or not, the gender of a character is as much a part of that character as their background, history, relationships and attitude, and to make the Master a woman just for the sake of it undermines completely one of the most established and defined villains in sci-fi. Like I say, there better be a damn good reason given or it's just pointless. And don't get me started on why/how the Master is using Cybermen as footsoldiers...

So yeah, that's why, and I expect I'll give next week about 10 mintues to make up for it before I turn it off. For the first time since it came back, I'm considering not actually watching the next one and hoping things pick up for Christmas.





 
   
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I couldn't disagree with most of that more...

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Fair enough. That's why I spoilered it, so it didn't ruin it for anyone who did like the episode. Opinions are opinions.

 
   
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 Paradigm wrote:
Fair enough. That's why I spoilered it, so it didn't ruin it for anyone who did like the episode. Opinions are opinions.
yep. That's also why I didn't reply in depth.

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Spoiler:
Regarding the Master's gender: hasn't it already been established that Time Lords can regenerate into different sexes? The 11th Doctor at a certain point mentions the Corsair, who has had both male and female regenerations.

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 Malika2 wrote:
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Regarding the Master's gender: hasn't it already been established that Time Lords can regenerate into different sexes? The 11th Doctor at a certain point mentions the Corsair, who has had both male and female regenerations.


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Yes, it is written in The Doctor's wife, but I believe, off-script, the writer Neil Gaiman hinted that it was a conscious choice or at least a subconscious one, and that The Corsair was already transgender. Of course, whether you take that as canon or not is your own call to make. The other thing to consider is that it can't be random, as the Dr has gone through a a dozen regenerations and got a man every time, presumably not through some coincidence.

Personally, I don't think it's something that can't be done, or even something that shouldn't be done given the correct circumstances, but in the Master/Missy's case, it just strikes me as Moffat throwing it in in a sort of 'shock for shock's sake' rather than for a reason. If there`s a good enough reason for the change given next week, I may have to reconsider, but if not, I'll still think of it as typical Moffaty 'look how clever/bold/shocking I'm being today!' One almost-credible theory I've seen is that the Master has stolen another body purely as a means to survive, which would be in character, but I think I'm just clutching at straws to save one of my (maybe soon to be former) favourite characters here.

 
   
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It's not like Moffat is doing anything THAT new...



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Indeed, The Curse of Fatal Death seems to have come to pass after all, including the Master with his/her 'Dalek bumps' (and if that sounds weird, watch the spoof/episode above and all will become clear. It's hilarious, too!)

Only Moffat could be arrogant enough to take ideas from a spoof he wrote himself and put them in the actual damn show!

 
   
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That 'article' is full of fail.



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Hmm, am I the only one missing Captain Jack's presence here?

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Not even the Master could ignore Jack's charm!

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Well, that finale was strangely disappointing.

IMO Moffatt needs to take a long break from writing the show.

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I saw something a bit different today in Leicester Square. Cybermen and other costumed characters collecting for the Poppy Appeal, I gave some to help them and hope they did well. Complete surprise, this is why I love having a camera in my phone.

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Agree that the finale was a bit.... meh?

A few nice touches, which I'd expand on if I knew how to utilise the spoiler function, but I was left rather underwhelmed, which is probably how I'll remember this whole season. There was nothing that really stood out as brilliant or particularly memorable, lthough at least Clara's not bad to look at if I need a distraction from a poor episode

Bring back the crazy [Chaos] possessed Ood from The Impossible Planet and The Satan Pit , at least they were slightly interesting and scary

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