Mantic Games - Star Saga KS - Finished @ $410,198

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**BobtheInquisitor**

The Veermyn are starting to grow on me. Asterians would also be welcome.

So, have they confirmed that a $1 pledge gains access to the PM? Or do they expect us to pony up $100 right now?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The preassembled veermyn are going to be popular with the boardgaming crowd a fair few of who have already said the veermyn sprues are no use to them as they don't build minis

**Zywus**

What's with the references to Monty Hall?

is it referencing that Monty Hall problem where you switch doors to increase your chance of winning a price? What relation does that have to this (or any) Kickstarter?

**Polonius**

Zywus wrote:
What's with the references to Monty Hall?

is it referencing that Monty Hall problem where you switch doors to increase your chance of winning a price? What relation does that have to this (or any) Kickstarter?

Monty Haul is a pejorative term for a D&D campaign in which the characters collect massive amounts of wealth, magic items, and experience. It implies that attention is being kept only because of the "goodies," not because of any inherent value.

**Barzam**

If this campaign had come before Warpath and Deadzone 2, I think it would probably be bringing in a lot more backers and funds. Part of the problem is that a lot of people pretty much already have these figures in multipart form. It probably would be doing better if they had gone with something completely new for the bad guys. Maybe something like an alien run facility using one of their newer races. Imagine if it was, say a Rin facility. I think fighting four armed alien security would have piqued people's interests better than fighting a bunch of humans. Or maybe have your crew infiltrating a Skynet type facility, fighting all kinds of crazy robots.

**BrookM**

Just dropped my early bird, happy hunting to whoever gets it.

**Zywus**

Polonius wrote:
Zywus wrote:
What's with the references to Monty Hall?

is it referencing that Monty Hall problem where you switch doors to increase your chance of winning a price? What relation does that have to this (or any) Kickstarter?

Monty Haul is a pejorative term for a D&D campaign in which the characters collect massive amounts of wealth, magic items, and experience. It implies that attention is being kept only because of the "goodies," not because of any inherent value.

Ah, I get it.

You learn something every day

**Compel**

That's interesting, yesterday Geek And Sundry put out an article for Star Saga.

http://geekandsundry.com/star-saga-an-old-school-dungeon-crawler-in-space/

As an American based company its pretty unusual to see that for a mantic game.

**DaveC**

Quick round up from today

Orion Cyber Merc unlocked

Next 2 extra Corporation Rangers and Retake the Blackstar station - Veer-Myn expansion add on available @275k

Then double sided tiles @280k

Teraton render from BoW

**Azazelx**

Compel wrote:
That's interesting, yesterday Geek And Sundry put out an article for Star Saga.

http://geekandsundry.com/star-saga-an-old-school-dungeon-crawler-in-space/

As an American based company its pretty unusual to see that for a mantic game.

The "article" reads like a fawning infomercial. One of those adverts you see in magazines designed to read like an article with advertisement written in tiny letters on the bottom of the page.

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That Teraton render looks great.

**JoeRugby**

Big fan of mantics teleporting space turtles

**Talking Banana**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Not an exciting expansion for me at all given that I already own 2-3 times that amount of Veermyn in hard plastic, so why would I buy monopose extras?

Bingo.

**streetsamurai**

Azazelx wrote:
Compel wrote:
That's interesting, yesterday Geek And Sundry put out an article for Star Saga.

http://geekandsundry.com/star-saga-an-old-school-dungeon-crawler-in-space/

As an American based company its pretty unusual to see that for a mantic game.

The "article" reads like a fawning infomercial. One of those adverts you see in magazines designed to read like an article with advertisement written in tiny letters on the bottom of the page.

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That Teraton render looks great.

yeah, that was a terrible ''article''

First and last time that I ever consult this site.

**Compel**

Wow, tough crowd.

Geek and Sundry are very much about "this is a neat geeky thing, let's let people know about it"

Well, that and Tabletop... And Critical Role.

I very much doubt it was a paid for advertisement and more of a case of rising tides raise all ships.

**.Mikes.**

'Someone likes something I don't, so it must be paid for' is exceptionally hubristic.

But you don't have to listen to me, the author was on the facebook site the other day so you can go and ask him if it's true if you like.

**Azazelx**

So, from the Beasts of War school, then?

I mean, I'm not expecting them to harshly criticise Mantic or the KS or anything, but it does read like an advertisement and nothing more.

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.Mikes. wrote:
'Someone likes something I don't, so it must be paid for' is exceptionally hubristic.

But you don't have to listen to me, the author was on the facebook site the other day so you can go and ask him if it's true if you like.

Wear those blinders all you like, Mike. We already know your very strong biases. I don't give enough feths to chase down the author (and what would you expect to get in reply, anyway?) but you can go ask him whatever you like if you care enough to feel that you need to jump to Mantic's defence at any perceived slight. The "article" was just as bad as any fawning advertainment that you can find on BoW for any product by any company. I'll just have my own opinion and an independent mind. Ta.

**streetsamurai**

Exactly. it's possible to write a positive article about a game or a company without sounding like a total fan boy or a paid off writer/marketer. Unfortunately, this seems to be above the capacity of the author, and the 'article' sound exactly like a press junket, or a promotional leaflet.

**scarletsquig**

New version of the rules, which includes rules for Solo and Co-op:

https://emails.kickstarter.com/mpss/c/6wA/6TYCAA/t.21i/RM7pqyHZRg2HuKxhrtSw1g/h3/YN25Fk-2FkVPn1N8PB44IXnMxpEjdkMjoxCnyVTcIGDkc-3D

**DaveC**

Update Alpha rules

https://www.dropbox.com/s/829m1xlptxsi953/Star%20Saga%20KS%20Alpha%20Rules%20Update.pdf?dl=0

... contains more details for solo/co-operative play, details on character progression throughout the campaign and information on how to create your own characters.

Double sided tiles are unlocked. Next up Kur Keela Teraton Merc @$290k

**Zethnar**

I was holding out to see if they made any improvements over their proposed campaign system. Looks like I'm gonna be dropping my pledge though.

**DaveC**

Mantic have added a load of gaming aids I won't bother posting them all you can see them here
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/star-saga-the-sci-fi-dungeon-crawler/posts/1710797

I've yet to see an add on other than the 3D terrain that interests me I'm just sticking with the base pledge for now and waiting until the PM to decide when postage will be known. if it wasn't for Blaine being exclusive to the base pledge I would probably just A la Carte some of the miniatures.

$295k stretch goal 3D virus containment unit.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I'm baffled why they're bothering making a reverable gaming mat with just a bit of art on one of the sides (cool though blaine is),

surely 2 different gaming surfaces would be a much better value deal?

**Zywus**

Perhaps Blaine is just a placeholder image?

**CptJake**

The mat is to set up the room/corridor tiles on. The artwork on it really makes no difference. It isn't itself a playing surface like the Deadzone or Mars Attacks mats.

**scarletsquig**

Some printed mats with the tiles already laid out for various missions might be good, depends on how critical concealing the map is to the game, though.

In Dungeon Saga, it's definitely better the first time through to reveal the map as you go.

There's a lot of good bundles in this, even if not looking at the base game. The $50 minion bundle is basically 6 complete Strike Teams for Deadzone.

i'll probably go all-in on this in the pledge manager with the exception of the resins, those just aren't really necessary, the new PVC material holds detail incredibly well and does not warp, resin will just cause more problems in terms of assembly/ being brittle than anything else.

I'd actually rather have minis in the new PVC used from Deadzone v2 release onwards than resin, the stuff is brilliant, changing supplier there was one of the best moves Mantic ever made.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Zywus wrote:
Perhaps Blaine is just a placeholder image?

Blaine is a placeholder but it clearly says it's going to be art on one side rather than a second playing surface (and since blaine is cool and it's a pretty good bit of art I suspect they'll stick with it)

....

hmmm I wonder if they've planned a stretch goal to unlock a second playing surface for the mat, that could be it?

**Joyboozer**

Is that 3D virus containment unit a fancy scifi toilet paper holder?

**agnosto**

Joyboozer wrote:
Is that 3D virus containment unit a fancy scifi toilet paper holder?

...with random exposed wires on the outside. Nothing says, "secure containment device" like exposed wiring.

**Cryptek of Awesome**

Joyboozer wrote:
Is that 3D virus containment unit a fancy scifi toilet paper holder?

Can't it be both?

**DaveC**

Is it time to throw the kitchen sink at it yet? down $302 and 2 backers for the day so far.

$300k Ronnie's Stretch Goal Bonanza

Hi everyone,

It’s Ronnie here, as we approach both the fantastic milestone of $300,000, and as we’re getting towards the end of the campaign, I thought we would kick it up a level for the last few days.

So far the campaign is going great. We’ve added a lot of fantastic content to the base pledge to ensure that it will be a tense gaming experience filled with replay value and lots of models. We’ve also introduced the first expansion: Retake the Blackstar Station.

But for $300,000 I want to do something a bit special – let’s have a stretch goal bonanza that adds even more to the base game to tease those last few people who are teetering on the edge, and expand Retake the Blackstar Station with two new mercs and an extra boss.

Let’s take a detailed look at what’s going to be unlocked at $300,000, shall we?
$300,000 Ronnie’s Stretch Goal Bonanza

This has been one of the most popular mercenaries we’ve shown so far and, of course, a medic is going to come in handy when you’re facing off against something as terrible as the Plague Aberration.

Secret Objective Cards

With this goal we want to enrich the content of the Character Creator expansion and add a new twist to the gameplay. We will build a deck of Secret Objective cards for the various races and character classes – these can be selected before each game, and will mean that the mission isn’t quite the same for everybody. The overall goal won’t change, but you never know if your comrade has ulterior motives for their actions along the way – watch your back!
New mercs for Retake the Blackstar Station

Sergeant Ugurik, Orc Commando

Because this mission takes place aboard a space station, it might get a little dangerous if you accidentally pull the air lock switch. However, Sergeant Ugurik has come prepared for deep space in his Vacuum Assault armour.

Arkoline, Crystallan Warrior

That’s right everyone, Arkoline the Crystallan is back! Despite being beaten by Orion to become a mercenary in the core pledge, we know there’s a lot of Arkoline love out there, so we’re including her as a mercenary in the expansion.
Adding an extra boss to Retake the Blackstar Station

Thorn the Progenitor

The colony to which Thorn was pupped was destroyed many years ago. Since the loss of his first family in the fires of an angry Forge Father clan, Thorn has travelled far and wide, turning his natural inventiveness to good use for several other adoptive clans. Thorn has a particular aptitude for adapting and repurposing the machines and constructions of the GCPS.
After that…?

Well, if we have a crazy run-in, it would be awesome to fund another expansion, wouldn’t it? If so, what expansion would you like to see? I’m a huge fan of the Rebs… not that I want to influence your decision, of course…and surely we should let the Nameless have a complete expansion of their own at retail shouldn’t we? Hmm, still plenty to go for there!

Enjoy the rest of the campaign!

Best wishes,

Ronnie

The 2 least interesting Mercs IMO go to the expansion so still nothing worth buying there yet but a Rebs based expansion would be nice.