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Boba would have been better served by the young Boba series they had been planning anyways, I'm glad this will be a new character. Star Wars is such an expansive universe that it honestly feels weird seeing the same names again and again and again and again. I'm 100% on board with whole new places and whole new names that only have small connections to what we know. I'd rather have easter eggs than giant in-your-face name drops. It was one of the things I enjoyed most about Rogue One, in fact

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Agreed. I thought Solo was good solid fun and I enjoyed The Cameo having previously watched TCW and Rebels...but a Disney+ show about Tobias Beckett and his ragtag crew of scoundrels trying to put one over on the big criminal syndicates with little or no involvement of "big names", or something along those lines, would have been even better.

I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.

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If they just made him Fett post-sarlaac, they would have to weather the constant complaints about why they aren't following all the fluff he had in the EU. It would just be neverending whinging by Fett fans about comparing the Mandalorian to all Fett's EU stuff.



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 Yodhrin wrote:
Agreed. I thought Solo was good solid fun and I enjoyed The Cameo having previously watched TCW and Rebels...but a Disney+ show about Tobias Beckett and his ragtag crew of scoundrels trying to put one over on the big criminal syndicates with little or no involvement of "big names", or something along those lines, would have been even better.

I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.


I really hope we get more about Crimson Dawn too.

And whilst I too enjoyed Solo, again in total agreement it could've worked better as a Disney+ series. Whilst I liked what I saw, I felt two hours just wasn't enough to introduce us to a whole new aspect of the Star Wars universe.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Agreed. I thought Solo was good solid fun and I enjoyed The Cameo having previously watched TCW and Rebels...but a Disney+ show about Tobias Beckett and his ragtag crew of scoundrels trying to put one over on the big criminal syndicates with little or no involvement of "big names", or something along those lines, would have been even better.

I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.


I really hope we get more about Crimson Dawn too.

And whilst I too enjoyed Solo, again in total agreement it could've worked better as a Disney+ series. Whilst I liked what I saw, I felt two hours just wasn't enough to introduce us to a whole new aspect of the Star Wars universe.
Initailly, I thought it would be cool to have a non-Saga trilogy of sorts that involved Han and his adventures pre-New Hope and each move had cameos from Boba and/or Obi-wan.
But now I think everything is going to Disney+, I doubt we'll get movie-theatre style movie to continue that story thread

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 Galef wrote:
I don't disagree, I just don't think Boba Fett has "baggage" that can't really be swept under.
IMO, the only "legit" reason not to have is be Fett is that you'd have to always keep his helmet on and not have him speak much if you can't get the Jango Fett actor involved.
I guess it also opens him up to not be that age, but I can't help but think of this new character as a cheap imitation of Fett, which is sad because he's shaping up to be 10X better than actual Fett

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I had some similar feelings myself earlier on, but the more I think about it I am leaning towards the idea that we may be getting the Fett we never knew we wanted instead of the Fett we thought we needed.
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.

I hope we see something FO related, even if it's minor or just hinted at. Depending on exactly where in the timeline it's set a secretive cabal of Imperial fanatics hiding out in Wild Space could make for a tense two-parter or something.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And whilst I too enjoyed Solo, again in total agreement it could've worked better as a Disney+ series. Whilst I liked what I saw, I felt two hours just wasn't enough to introduce us to a whole new aspect of the Star Wars universe.

I want to live in the universe where Solo somehow ended up being the rocky theatrical pilot to a beloved TV series. We all need more Glover-Lando in our lives.

   
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 ikeulhu wrote:
 Galef wrote:
I don't disagree, I just don't think Boba Fett has "baggage" that can't really be swept under.
IMO, the only "legit" reason not to have is be Fett is that you'd have to always keep his helmet on and not have him speak much if you can't get the Jango Fett actor involved.
I guess it also opens him up to not be that age, but I can't help but think of this new character as a cheap imitation of Fett, which is sad because he's shaping up to be 10X better than actual Fett

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I had some similar feelings myself earlier on, but the more I think about it I am leaning towards the idea that we may be getting the Fett we never knew we wanted instead of the Fett we thought we needed.
True. And the Mandalorian being so similar to the original concept of Boba Fett shows that they may have "gone back to basics" to build on what made the Fetts so cool in the first place, before they were just "one and done" baddies of the week

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Well there are some supposed leaks about what this "big reveal" will be, and all I can say is I really, really hope it's not that. Just, please, no.

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Boba Fett has about 6 minutes screen time and only four or five lines in the movies. I'm not surprised they went with a different direction instead of using him and having to explain his 'death' in RotJ. Now they can expand on something bigger than one guy as well as going into how Boba and Jango got Mando armor when they weren't Mandolarians. There are more story possibilities this way.

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Yeah, Mandalorians are cool, but Boba just has too much baggage by this point.

I don't know how much the new continuity has expanded on Boba's story outside of the movies and Clone Wars cartoon... but I'd still really like to see them use his actual exploits as a basis to turn him into a colossal fraud. He has this reputation as the galaxy's number one badass, but actually constantly screws up and manages to hang onto his reputation through luck and tenacity.


Meanwhile, using a different Mandalorian for this series' badass lets them actually develop an interesting character without trying to recast a younger version of Tamuera Morrison.

 
   
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i don't know, I like him as he's actually presented in the original films: he's one of many bounty hunters willing to work for the Empire, and doesn't even really stand out in the line up.

He's just this guy, you know?

That the fanbase went inexplicably nuts about a non-entity and the EU writers wrote masturbatory fanfics about the guy is rather irrelevant.

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Yeah, Mandalorians are cool, but Boba just has too much baggage by this point.

I don't know how much the new continuity has expanded on Boba's story outside of the movies and Clone Wars cartoon... but I'd still really like to see them use his actual exploits as a basis to turn him into a colossal fraud. He has this reputation as the galaxy's number one badass, but actually constantly screws up and manages to hang onto his reputation through luck and tenacity.


Meanwhile, using a different Mandalorian for this series' badass lets them actually develop an interesting character without trying to recast a younger version of Tamuera Morrison.


Bobba Fett is starwars inspector gadget.

He has a lot of tech that seamingly goes off at random while he bumbles his way into failing upwards and takes credit for how luck and circumstance had things work out for him.


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 Galef wrote:
Initailly, I thought it would be cool to have a non-Saga trilogy of sorts that involved Han and his adventures pre-New Hope and each move had cameos from Boba and/or Obi-wan.
Unfortunately Solo makes that impossible, as all the biggest events in Han's life (meeting Chewie, becoming a smuggler, meeting Lando, doing the Kessel Run and getting the Falcon) all happened over the space of about a week or so, so... what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Galef wrote:
Initailly, I thought it would be cool to have a non-Saga trilogy of sorts that involved Han and his adventures pre-New Hope and each move had cameos from Boba and/or Obi-wan.
Unfortunately Solo makes that impossible, as all the biggest events in Han's life (meeting Chewie, becoming a smuggler, meeting Lando, doing the Kessel Run and getting the Falcon) all happened over the space of about a week or so, so... what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?
His whole adventure with Jabba and Boba Fett could be a story to explore. I mean they based a whole movie around a single line of the original crawl about stealing the DS plans, why not a movie about why Han owes Jabba?
You could even include the Crimson Dawn with more Maul.

But even though I think there is something there to explore and that they tried to set that up in Solo, given Solo's performance and Disney moving so heavy with Disney+, I doubt that will happen now. UNLESS it's done as an exclusive Disney+ release.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?

Off the top of my head:

The job Han bailed on for fear of getting boarded, whatever job Han did for Jabba to make the ruthless Hutt willing to give Han time to pay him back for said botch job (even going so far as to say 'you're the best' in the special edition), Han meeting Boba Fett and establishing whatever their emnity is, the Battle of Tenab...
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?

Off the top of my head:

The job Han bailed on for fear of getting boarded, whatever job Han did for Jabba to make the ruthless Hutt willing to give Han time to pay him back for said botch job (even going so far as to say 'you're the best' in the special edition), Han meeting Boba Fett and establishing whatever their emnity is, the Battle of Tenab...

Indeed. There's still ten years between the end of Solo and the start of ANH. Plenty of time for some good, old fashioned smuggling shenanigans.
   
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Was the battle of Tenab not between ESB and ROTJ?

Asking because that’s the impression I’ve always had, and never thought to Google it.

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Was the battle of Tenab not between ESB and ROTJ?

Asking because that’s the impression I’ve always had, and never thought to Google it.

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Not sure, but if memory serves( crikey, over 20 years ago! ) Tenab was just before A New Hope, in the A.C.Cripin trilogy. If Solo gets a 2nd outing then they might cover that.

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Correction: Battle of Taanab.

I was always under the impression it was something Han and Lando were involved in before the OT, apparently in the old EU it happened shortly after the first Death Star blew up and Lando became a minor celebrity for it for a while.

Wookiepedia says it now took place between rescuing Han and the Battle of Endor, but I choose to disagree.

   
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 Captain Joystick wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?

Off the top of my head:

The job Han bailed on for fear of getting boarded, whatever job Han did for Jabba to make the ruthless Hutt willing to give Han time to pay him back for said botch job (even going so far as to say 'you're the best' in the special edition), Han meeting Boba Fett and establishing whatever their emnity is, the Battle of Tenab...


There isn't much of a story for the botched job. It came across as a fairly standard run, he got spotted, boarded, and ejected the goods, so he owes Jabba money. You could dress that up and try to make a story out of it, but its really mundane: "Even I get boarded sometimes."

There might be something at the Battle of Tenab, but the context suggests that Lando pulled a flanking trick on Empire fleet elements, or maybe ground elements (but the Rebels trying to pull off ground actions against hordes of stromtroopers seems dumb).

But as to an 'enmity' between Han and Fett, is there one? Vader hired Fett and assorted others to track Han and company, and Fett took him to the sponsor of an existing bounty, Jabba. Done.


The thing with films is, little background details fill out the universe to help it seem more realistic. But filling out every little detail into big stories is really dull. If its something you've seized on, the big version is likely to be less interesting than what you've created in your head.
   
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IIRC, some of the older EU books tried to build on the supposed enmity between Fett and Solo, but then one of the writers (probably Traviss) walked that back in the later stuff when they briefly teamed up, with Fett declaring that it was never personal, Han was 'just a job'.

What the deal is in the new continuity, I have no idea.

 
   
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It was, IIRC, Dengar who had actual beef with Han. Something about he wore the bandages because of a racing incident on Corellia leaving him disfigured and blaming Han for the crash.

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I mean... Fett anticipates Han's 'cut the power and float off with the garbage' plan and beats him at the same game. Also, because hyperspace tracking isn't a thing until the First Order figures it out, he would have had to have seen the Falcon leave, figure out he's running to Lando, and report that back to Vader with enough authority to convince him to park the executor there.

I figure they must have some kind of history, and he'd make a fun guest character.

   
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So I just finished the first episode. Overall I liked it, it felt a bit fast paced (maybe moreso than i'm used to) and maybe a bit shorter than I was expecting. I figured the pilot would run closer to a full hour. It went by pretty quick and now I want to see more.

 
   
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The only review I've seen so far complained that the Mando never takes his helmet off.

I stopped reading the review at that point.

   
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