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The plastic, I'm sure, will be the weapon conversion kits.

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Dread Master wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What would make you think that?


I just think we are due to see some plastic turn up. No inside info, just a hunch.

It will be forgeworld resin like every other release people have mis-called or speculated to be plastic in this thread (phyrr cats, escher and orlock characters, nauticans, etc.)

Unless it's a "generic" brute -- eg. ambot or ogryns -- or something that's useable by all gangs and/or uniquely collectible -- eg. the kal jericho one-off -- it will be resin.

Maybe someday I'll type this post out for the nth time and end up being wrong, and GW will change up the pattern, but for now releases have been quite consistent and it's very easy to predict what will be resin vs. plastic. House brutes, booster characters, and alliance factions are resin.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Gangs are closer to Private Military Contractors


Now. You mean now, since they changed it.

And even if they are, they are still equal/better equipped than the military, even the elite units.

Which is actually still a good comparison to PMCs, IMO. They tend to have better gear on an individual basis than a military might.

I would say that they tend to have more personalized gear, not really better. I mean, yes, better boots and maybe vest, but they'll use more or less the same weapons, kitted out with tacticool gak and all. But not things like every guy in a unit porting a Minimi and all.


A ganger can, if he or his gang have the creds, use whatever he wants or is able to acquire.
A Guardsman cannot. Veterans will scavenge gear over time, but they don't get it issued to them.

I can understand where people who played Oldcromunda are coming from, but I do think it's kind of a product of its time to an extent. PMCs, gangs/cartels, etc...they weren't really something that people seemingly thought would be A Big Deal in real life.

It's pretty hard to make the fiction believable when real life can be so, so, so much worse IMO.

Hm, they kind of totally were.. the War on Drugs started in the 70s, PMCs were alive and well in all of South America and Africa, there were terrorist units camping free rein on Europe... they were pretty much A Big Deal in real life.

Thing is... the original game was not about any of that. It was a game about a western-like frontier (the Underhive) mixed up with "lost past" elements and some archaeology (lostech) where a man (ganger) could make it big and forge their own path and own their own piece of land (turf)... if only they survived. It was not really all much about the cool gak you could get, but about your guys and their turf.

Current Necromunda is about black ops house units (or cats paws, whatever) waging a secret war using the Undehive as a pawn and battleflied for the houses to vent their grievances. It's stopped being about "your guys" in the way it was before, and the cool gak you can get is much more prevalent... while at the same time the turf is almost an afterthought.
   
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…and?!?

There’s no point in me complaint how far 40K has come from it’s Rogue Trader roots. I either like current 40K or I don’t, I have 0% chance of changing it. Comparatively speaking Necromunda has drifted much less from its source of Montagues vs Capulets and dispersing before the Arbites show up. And I get why people might not like the drift but it’s still recognizable as the same game.
   
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Hold your horses there my good dude.

I happen to have WD 130 under my desk as I type. I pulled it out for a random read the other day, and it happens to have the first Confrontation article, the immediate precursor to Necromunda, which set down much of the lore as it stands today. I was genuinely surprised how much of it has stated the same over nearly 30 years.

I’ll grab it on my lunch break, as I’m pretty sure those gangs are closer to PMC than organised crime type stuff.

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 Chairman Aeon wrote:
…and?!?

There’s no point in me complaint how far 40K has come from it’s Rogue Trader roots. I either like current 40K or I don’t, I have 0% chance of changing it. Comparatively speaking Necromunda has drifted much less from its source of Montagues vs Capulets and dispersing before the Arbites show up. And I get why people might not like the drift but it’s still recognizable as the same game.


And I don't like it? I thought it was very much implicit. I was commenting on how I don't like the new approach and how each new release diverges even farther to "don't like" territory.

You're allowed to ignore it, you know.
   
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It doesn't bug me too much. Old Necro had the same mismatch on technology, on one hand you had guys with a broken off pipe, on the other side anime-looking Spryers with better stats and weapons then a Marine chapter master.

As for a new gang, I'd some albino, tumor-laiden morlock Skavies (so long as we're reimagining stuff)



I'd love pit slaves too. I was disappointed with the lack of options for the Ogryn so some crazy Blanche-esque cyber gladiators would be awesome. Especially with everything they can do in plastic now.

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That Pit Slave artwork is a classic piece.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
That Pit Slave artwork is a classic piece.


The old Pit Slaves are great models so I imagine updated versions would be awesome. Probably nightmares to assemble with tons of tiny hoses and bits but damn they would look great.


 
   
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Re: Van Saar brute - I'll pick one up for sure, but... it really isn;t what I imagined from the artwork. Can't say that I am a fan of it.

I do hope Van Saar see some a female ganger set a la Orlocks alongside it, though.

Re: the forthcoming reveal, I wonder if it will be akin to the Dark Uprising release, where we got a standalone 'gang' which fit into the wider Underhive first, followed three months later with a boxset that includes additional options and a counter-gang, so as to encourage double-dipping. That seemed to work well enough last time.

I'd happily take any of the suggestions made in this thread so far (hoping far reimagined Scavvies most of all, given their appearance in a recent Black Library release), but wonder if perhaps that screenshot of bizarre medical teams might figure into it. Could see some creepy lore and interesting rules there (particularly if teamed up with pit slaves)...

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Smaug wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Weird gak. Like, seriously. I'm not seeing Necromunda in that model.

 Galas wrote:
And, like, is vaan saar, they are the scifi gang.


Yeah, but Van Saar used to be the Fremen gang, you know? Gritty Eighties sci-fi. Not polished new millennium sci-fi.

There's a tangible difference and GW's designers don't do a very good job of understanding it when reinterpreting classics, in my opinion.

Aside from the look of the stillsuits I don’t see the connection between the two. Stillsuits are not exclusively Fremen the spice harvesters and even Rabban wore one. It’s just that theirs are the best manufactured. Although if Rabban’s suit came from the Fremen I bet it leaked. The Fremen are religious outcasts while the Van Saar are more like D&Ds Tinkers Guild.


I see you have far, far greater interest in Dune than me and I'm sure what you said is accurate, just like it would be accurate to say Necrons aren't the Terminator and Catachans aren't Rambo.

But since my point was simply that they got the look from a movie out of the Eighties, yes they are just that.

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Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook

From the Confrontation rules that I've read over the years, the gangs were originally very much part of their Clan structure, and while they wouldn't have been as teched-up as some of the current releases, they were very much likely to be carrying grav guns, needlers, web pistols and plasma weaponry.

The issue seems to have been getting ammunition for it. Sure, you've got a couple of bolt guns... but your entire gang only has 40 bolt rounds, and they're not turning up at the local traders.

Anyway, the point is - Necromundan gangs have always had a really good chance of being better equipped than the PDF or the Guard, but they didn't necessarily have the logistics to make that work consistently. Look a the the Palenites - they're all armed with bolt weaponry, but because they have decent logistics they get much better ammo rolls.

And, on the subject of Palanites - yes, it does seem to be VERY common in the Imperium for a planetary governor to have a private army which is much better equipped than the PDF in order to discourage coups.
   
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And then you have Cawdor, which are significantly worse equipped than the lowest Chaos Cultists and usually share one gun between ten men. Not exactly fitting besides all other gangs, hauling around Plasma and giant mechs on the regular.

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 Geifer wrote:
Smaug wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Weird gak. Like, seriously. I'm not seeing Necromunda in that model.

 Galas wrote:
And, like, is vaan saar, they are the scifi gang.


Yeah, but Van Saar used to be the Fremen gang, you know? Gritty Eighties sci-fi. Not polished new millennium sci-fi.

There's a tangible difference and GW's designers don't do a very good job of understanding it when reinterpreting classics, in my opinion.

Aside from the look of the stillsuits I don’t see the connection between the two. Stillsuits are not exclusively Fremen the spice harvesters and even Rabban wore one. It’s just that theirs are the best manufactured. Although if Rabban’s suit came from the Fremen I bet it leaked. The Fremen are religious outcasts while the Van Saar are more like D&Ds Tinkers Guild.


I see you have far, far greater interest in Dune than me and I'm sure what you said is accurate, just like it would be accurate to say Necrons aren't the Terminator and Catachans aren't Rambo.

But since my point was simply that they got the look from a movie out of the Eighties, yes they are just that.

But the Van Saar are not desert raiders those would be the ash nomads. Are the space marines Fremen as well because they have a self sustaining bodyglove suit under their armor? To continue the 40K things that are not the thinking machines and Omnius from Dune aren’t men of iron, the Adeptus Arbites aren’t Judges from 2000 AD, and the Brood from Marvel comics aren’t genestealers.
   
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Smaug wrote:
 Geifer wrote:
Smaug wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Weird gak. Like, seriously. I'm not seeing Necromunda in that model.

 Galas wrote:
And, like, is vaan saar, they are the scifi gang.


Yeah, but Van Saar used to be the Fremen gang, you know? Gritty Eighties sci-fi. Not polished new millennium sci-fi.

There's a tangible difference and GW's designers don't do a very good job of understanding it when reinterpreting classics, in my opinion.

Aside from the look of the stillsuits I don’t see the connection between the two. Stillsuits are not exclusively Fremen the spice harvesters and even Rabban wore one. It’s just that theirs are the best manufactured. Although if Rabban’s suit came from the Fremen I bet it leaked. The Fremen are religious outcasts while the Van Saar are more like D&Ds Tinkers Guild.


I see you have far, far greater interest in Dune than me and I'm sure what you said is accurate, just like it would be accurate to say Necrons aren't the Terminator and Catachans aren't Rambo.

But since my point was simply that they got the look from a movie out of the Eighties, yes they are just that.

But the Van Saar are not desert raiders those would be the ash nomads. Are the space marines Fremen as well because they have a self sustaining bodyglove suit under their armor? To continue the 40K things that are not the thinking machines and Omnius from Dune aren’t men of iron, the Adeptus Arbites aren’t Judges from 2000 AD, and the Brood from Marvel comics aren’t genestealers.

You know there was a Dune movie made in the '80s, right?

The appearance of the original Van Saar models was lifted from that, without much revision. Calling them "the Fremen gang" was probably a poor choice of words, because it leaves the claim open to the type of misinterpretation you're doing, but it's an entirely accurate statement in regards to their model design. And that should be pretty obvious to someone who is familiar with Dune's footprint beyond just the first novel. It's as accurate as saying "Zerg are the Tyranid faction."
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
That Pit Slave artwork is a classic piece.

But is it plastic?
   
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Baxx wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
That Pit Slave artwork is a classic piece.

But is it plastic?

No, they were in the one true material for Necromunda at the time - metal.

Would love to see a rendition of that art with modern sculpting quality in resin, though.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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Was thinking about the artwork Feels like some time soon people will ask about new paint sets are plastic too.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

It's not unreasonable for people to be asking if kits are plastic...but GW usually will come out and say they are.

Personally, I just wish they'd stop flagging them as <Insert Game Name Here> and just flag them as Forge World or make it exceedingly clear that is where they are coming from.
   
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For what it's worth the military advisor is up for preorder.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/house-greim-military-attache-2021


 
   
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I like the one on the right.
   
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/19/gen-con-a-new-gang-of-outlaws-revealed-for-necromunda/

New Hive scum kits, with pretty much most of the weapons they can buy.

So I guess bounty hunter kit will be next, the weapon choice for that kit will be trickier.

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What can I say?

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Cool but not jaw-dropping cool.


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And who's going to break to HBMC that there's only 4 different bodies on the Outcast sprue?

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Oh I’m hype for this!

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
And who's going to break to HBMC that there's only 4 different bodies on the Outcast sprue?

Going by his comments in the GenCon thread, he's already aware.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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Is it just me or has GW somehow gotten worse at doing hair? I think more caps and hoods would have been a good idea.


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Yep looks like 4 bodies:

Long coat
Skull on his chest
Padded armor
Miniskirt

I hope that doesn't mean a box of 8... Maybe 4 on a sprue but a box of 12 since they kinda suck?

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They look like Orlock 2.0, not interesting at all.


 
   
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The market stuff is excellent.
   
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That new gang is the blandest Necromunda has ever been.

Mind you, bland helps if you want to use them to bulk out a cultist unit, or find a new juve model, but they really don't work on their own.
   
 
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