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Hey chaps,

Not sure if this has been asked before so here goes...

Does Tau Plasma weaponry specifically count as "Plasma" towards the Plasma Siphon as it states from memory it's against Plasma Cannon, Gun, and anything with the "Gets Hot!" rule for Plasma weapons.

Now the Tau Plasma doesn't have the "Get Hot!" rule and only has Plasma as a name. Not strictly speaking (rules wise) as plasma.

I am a Tau player by the way and even though logic says they still make my Plasma BS1 I have a nagging feeling RAW is saying otherwise and I fire as normal. Which is OFC a lot nicer for me :-)




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I would assume yes, as if it has plasma in the name, its plasma.

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Grundz wrote:I would assume yes, as if it has plasma in the name, its plasma.

For fun games yes, but for an examplelook at this. For raw a daemon prince is about as daemonic as your inquisitor(i.e, he not currently counted as a daemon model)

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Exactly

It's not a Plasma type weapon as it doesn't "Get Hot!" which is the sub-type for Plasma weaponry.

I mean in a friendly game I would probably let them but it really needs clarifying with a list of the "plasma" weapons it makes BS1

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This will very likely receive a clarification of some sort. The Avatar is immune to flamers and melta weaponry, and they expanded this to include the Flamestorm Cannon and Inferno Pistol, since those are simply the same type of weapon under a different name.

I assume the Plasma Siphon will work against tau Plasma Rifles and Eldar Starcannons, both of which are Plasma weapons but for now it only works against the listed weaponry.

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Tau plasma rifle is a plasma weapon.

It is just built by a race who understands their technology and contains it properly hence str6 instead of str7 and gets hot.

Matt Ward prolly never read the tau codex and thinks they all have multilasers :(

RAW i think the plasma siphon lists specific weapons it works against. so currently just those.

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blaktoof wrote:
RAW i think the plasma siphon lists specific weapons it works against. so currently just those.


No it "including" thos weapons. Sadly it the "duh, ofcourse there plasma" ones the gave as examples.

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So does it apply to Bio-plasma?

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kirsanth wrote:So does it apply to Bio-plasma?


Well thanks to the GREAT example in the book, we need a FAQ to know for sure one way or the other. For now my groups playing it, if the weapon has Plasma in the name its counts as Plasma. Just becouse its the easiest for now.

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What about a Starcannon? I remember reading it's also a type of Plasma weaponry, but it obviously doesnt have anything in common with these (It is described as being a type of Plasma Weapon in the "Fury of the Stars" section in the Eldar Codex).

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MechaEmperor7000 wrote:What about a Starcannon? I remember reading it's also a type of Plasma weaponry, but it obviously doesnt have anything in common with these (It is described as being a type of Plasma Weapon in the "Fury of the Stars" section in the Eldar Codex).


the same question could be posed for the leman russ that fires plasma from its executioner cannon.

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Grundz wrote:
MechaEmperor7000 wrote:What about a Starcannon? I remember reading it's also a type of Plasma weaponry, but it obviously doesnt have anything in common with these (It is described as being a type of Plasma Weapon in the "Fury of the Stars" section in the Eldar Codex).


the same question could be posed for the leman russ that fires plasma from its executioner cannon.


Yay for horribly explained rules!

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Starcannons are plasma weapons. It explains that they don't "Get Hot!" because of the advanced technology of the eldar, however for rules sake, and keeping it balanced, they lowered the Str.

I would assume that, judging by the Avatar FAQ, these two weapons, and maybe even bio-plamsa will count towards this. Also maybe even the executioner... but I dunno. We'll just have to wait and see.

For now, as you have put it in this thread RAW would be only plasma cannons and guns, and whatever else has Get's Hot. Eldar and Tau weaponry would be uneffected. You can say that since they don't get hot it's not as easy to suck the plasma out, or make it crappy, or whatever it is that that does. I can't find it in my dex right now :(

On that note, can anyone point me to where it talks about it. I'm being a tad slowed with my searching abilities.


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By RAW the plasma siphon only effects plasma guns, pistols, and cannons.

Why? Check what's a demon and whats not a demon for rules that affect "Demons"

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juraigamer wrote:By RAW the plasma siphon only effects plasma guns, pistols, and cannons.

Why? Check what's a demon and whats not a demon for rules that affect "Demons"


Deamons = Models with the Deamon rule.

Plasma = nothing as there is no Plasma rule.

There is no RAW for what is a Plasma Weapon, just a list of weapon that should be included with Plasma Weapons. That is the problem.

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There's no rule for what a plasma weapon is in any rulebook, save the GK book which lists the three weapons. Beyond that, it's the demon argument all over again. Fluff doesn't = rules.

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Or the situation where an Eldar Missle Launcher shoots a Plasma Missile.

Since it isn't a plasma weapon, Plasma Siphon doesn't work.

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My assumption is it only applies to the 3 imperium-based plasma weapons, based on the codex listing for the plasma syphon, where it specifically mentions Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun, and Plasma Cannon. there's also a category in the weapon section labled "Plasma Weapons" that only lists those 3.

I would assume if was meant to apply to anything else they would have listed them in the entry or their Plasma Weapon category

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solles wrote:My assumption is it only applies to the 3 imperium-based plasma weapons, based on the codex listing for the plasma syphon, where it specifically mentions Plasma Pistol, Plasma Gun, and Plasma Cannon. there's also a category in the weapon section labled "Plasma Weapons" that only lists those 3.

I would assume if was meant to apply to anything else they would have listed them in the entry or their Plasma Weapon category


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I think the bigger question is, will anyone ever take it? I mean it seems really really limited even if you include Tau, Eldar and nid plasma weapons.

For 35 points and an HQ slot I'd have to know I'm hitting a plasma vet army before taking it.


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they REALLY should have just given a complete list of the afffected weapons.

GW expects it's players to just use their heads and use logic, but GW forgets(some would say "Denies") that this game is played competitivly. and that means some TFG that is going to take advantage of any rule ambiguity he can find.

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I don't disagree that it's rather silly/redundant to be taking an item that only has an effect on your own side's type of weapon, but as it's written, that's what it seems like to me. Again, if they had intended it to have an effect on others besides the ones listed, they would have listed them as well.

Admittedly, yeah, this codex has some really poorly thought out rules in the sense of being too open for interpretation; like coteaz making henchmen troops choices, but not explicitly saying it removes their 'no organization slot' rule. (for the record, i play that they're chosen as a troop on the chart and as such limited to 6, but that's just me)

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not really, the Siphon says that Plasma Pistols, Guns, and Cannons are only examples.

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DE disintagrators use to be similar to plasma but now it "fires unstable matter from a stolen sun"

I wonder if the fact it was stolen makes a huge difference.

"The disintegrator is much more sophisticated than conventional plasma based weaponry' however, for it maintains a high rate of fire and always remains cool to the touch despite the ravaging energies housed within"

wow so its more advanced, but is it similar? Both a Bolter and a Lascannon are more sophisticated than a Shoota but only one is similar in operation to a shoota.

How about Plasma Grenades. Any wonderful exploit possible there?

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Exergy wrote:How about Plasma Grenades. Any wonderful exploit possible there?


Not used with BS, so I'd imagine the answer's no.

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There is a box-out in the grey knights codex listed as "Plasma Weapons"; the Plasma Siphon has an effect vs "Plasma Weapons", the Siphon only works on weapons within the Box-out in their own codex.

Anyone care to guess what weapons are in the box-out?

This has been gone over in other threads.

The Dark Eldar Codex has a Similar box-out in relation to "Splinter Weapons", Duke Sliscus gives a benefit to the "Splinter Weapons" of the Kabalites that are deployed with him; that would be meaningless if there was no box-out.

Also you cannot go by fluff, nor name. Back to the Dark Eldar example, Shardcarbines are not called Splinter-anything, but are splinter weapons; Splinter pods, both have the Name "Splinter" and do the same thing in the fluff, but are not "Splinter Weapons"

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So what you are saying that the Plasma Syphon will ONLY work against Grey Knight Plasma weapons, as it is the only codex that defines them. Even though Space Marines (of all other types) and imperial guard have a weapon called a Plasma Gun with the same stats, it is NOT in a box that says "plasma weapons", therefore it is NOT a plasma Weapon...?

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maybe Matt is planning on updating all of the codexs himself so he can standardize everyone.

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Grey Templar wrote:maybe Matt is planning on updating all of the codexs himself so he can standardize everyone.


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