Necron rumor & pics summary in 1st post (now with 2nd wave pics!)

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**The Metal Tide**

Evegoden wrote:So that means I get whatever str and ap of the weapon as a single shot back to a unit within 6inch?

That still sounds deadly.

It is only useful (in most cases anyway) if it is the unit about to assault you doing the shooting. Imagine 20 ork boys shooting at you before assaulting (therefor within 6") having their shots deflected back at them.

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whigwam wrote:I'm really curious to see what's coming in the next batch of models. I assume we'll get Wraiths, Tomb Spyders, the Triarch Stalker, and the Doom Scythe, but I'm more interested in seeing if we get any more options for Lords or Crypteks. I don't think it bodes well that they're re-releasing the old Lord (and the old, OLD Lord...) in Finecast. Doesn't seem like they'd do that if there were new models in the works. The option to take up to 10 Lords becomes a lot less appealing knowing a lot of them will be identical twins.

I'm still going to hope for more Crypteks. The current model is great (although I want to do something about that chin), but the pose is so distinctive it's hard to imagine using 5-10 of that same model. What I would love to see is a "command box" with 5 distinct Lords or Crypteks. As is, I have no idea what I'll model them from (let alone all of their fancy new wargear)...

Is there any standard length of time between the first and second wave of models? I haven't been around for any of the recent new releases so I'm fuzzy on how the schedule usually works (last I remember was Necrons 2002...)

About the chin: It would be quite easy to re shape the chin back to a normal necrons. Or you could instead use the head off a deathmark. It is roughly the same but without the chin. You would also lose the headpiece/crown thingy but imo it looks funny to. In my case i think i will just replace the head if i get a cryptek.

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Oh and Im not an expert and take this with a lot of salt but i think the second wave comes in the first 2 months following. So look for them December OR January. If someone knows better than me, please correct me if I'm wrong.

**Grim Smasha**

this from the website sounds golden

"These are where your C'tan Shards really come to life - you can grant them ranged attacks (the tank-busting Transdimensional Thunderbolt comes to mind) close combat abilities (like Entropic Touch, which rots the armour of your opponent's troops) and weird game-changing mad science abilities (like Lord of Fire, which makes flamer and melta weapons explode!)."

**Kanluwen**

Sweet monkey Jesus, exploding flamer and melta weapons=Vulkan list suddenly becomes a liability.

**CpatTom**

Are the Deathmarks s'posed to be sneaky?

And i really dont think this is what the Galaxy was thinking was going to happen when the Tomb Crons woke up.

**Harriticus**

CpatTom wrote:Are the Deathmarks s'posed to be sneaky?

And i really dont think this is what the Galaxy was thinking was going to happen when the Tomb Crons woke up.

I think that along with the fanbase they thought "OMG WE'RE TOTALLY fethed!!!!!"

Instead the awakened 'Crons start fighting each other, engage in market capitalism, and volunteer as mercenaries. Galaxy's reaction =

**King Pariah**

So right now I'm thinking getting:

2x Immortals/Deathmarks
1x Ghost/ Doomsday Ark (intend to convert the Warriors into Wraiths

)
1x Codex

Right now I have 2x Necron Lords (one I'm converting into an Overlord) and 3x Pariahs that will be Lycheguard w/ Warscythe.

What do you all think of that for a start?

**The Metal Tide**

Models that come in using the Zahndrekh rule:
"When he is on the battlefield, any number of Necron units in reserve waiting to Deep Strike may choose to enter play immediately after any enemy unit arrives from Reserves. In other words, basically the same ability the Deathmarks have."
Can they then move, shoot, and assault as normal in the following necron turn?

**haroon**

The Metal Tide wrote:It is only useful (in most cases anyway) if it is the unit about to assault you doing the shooting. Imagine 20 ork boys shooting at you before assaulting (therefor within 6") having their shots deflected back at them.

It would not work in that situation as you would be using your 3+ save (the rules say you always have to use your best save) which would not deflect anything back. The whole thing is very situational and not very good imo.

**Zathras**

The Metal Tide wrote:Models that come in using the Zahndrekh rule:
"When he is on the battlefield, any number of Necron units in reserve waiting to Deep Strike may choose to enter play immediately after any enemy unit arrives from Reserves. In other words, basically the same ability the Deathmarks have."
Can they then move, shoot, and assault as normal in the following necron turn?

I'm going to say yes they can because they are on the table at the start of the Necron players turn.

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Kanluwen wrote:Sweet monkey Jesus, exploding flamer and melta weapons=Vulkan list suddenly becomes a liability.

As well as a lot of other lists that rely heavily on Melta weapons for anti-armor.

**Sectiplave**

haroon wrote:It would not work in that situation as you would be using your 3+ save (the rules say you always have to use your best save) which would not deflect anything back. The whole thing is very situational and not very good imo.

Yep I'm sure 99% of players would happily drop that rule and just take a 3+ invulnerable save from the shield instead. I know I would.

**The Metal Tide**

Zathras wrote:
The Metal Tide wrote:Models that come in using the Zahndrekh rule:
"When he is on the battlefield, any number of Necron units in reserve waiting to Deep Strike may choose to enter play immediately after any enemy unit arrives from Reserves. In other words, basically the same ability the Deathmarks have."
Can they then move, shoot, and assault as normal in the following necron turn?

I'm going to say yes they can because they are on the table at the start of the Necron players turn.

If so this is good for me. My mate who I play frequently always nerfs my necrons with a squad of 10 terminators. Now if he drops them near me I can drop a unit of 10 Lychguard with warscythes in, so that in my turn I get the upper hand with charging bonus. My 30 attacks striking first should kill roughly 7-9 depending on how good I'm rolling that day.

**Farmer**

Those new pics really do help the new necron models shine as opposed to BoW's pics which you couldn't zoom in on the models.

**GamzaTheChaos**

I want to see how much the terrible initiative on the whole codex effects them in CC. I can see almost anything wiping us up. and I see a lot of sweeping advances against an assault based army.

I hope the shooting is able to make up for it. the stats for the necrons are somewhat terrible. but if the shots are good along with the points it should be ok.

**GiantSlingshot**

Didn't notice it from the pictures we had (even the WD pics) But I gotta say I'm positively giddy that the Immortal weapons attach into their spines. It is the only model so far that makes me believe that the robot IS the weapon, not just a skeleton carrying a cool piece of tech. Also, like a perverse version of a Dev marine. This may have sold me on a squad of 10 immortals.

**The Metal Tide**

GiantSlingshot wrote:Didn't notice it from the pictures we had (even the WD pics) But I gotta say I'm positively giddy that the Immortal weapons attach into their spines. It is the only model so far that makes me believe that the robot IS the weapon, not just a skeleton carrying a cool piece of tech. Also, like a perverse version of a Dev marine. This may have sold me on a squad of 10 immortals.

On the GW website there is a 360 view of an Immortal that confirms this. Its the first single model pic that isnt a deathmark

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat700019a&prodId=prod1380039a&rootCatGameStyle=

**Tyrs13**

Can i get more rules on wraiths?

They are now JI? Whats their stat line if you know?

Is it 2 much to ask for a 5+ Toughness? 2 woulds is Woot but sucks vs Instant Death.

Nasty idea is DSing Wraiths, put them where ever you want they ignore terrain. (Not Including Enemy Troops but still is nice.)

Wondering how it could turn out getting 6 dropping them in my friends Mech Guard line (Or near it).

**GiantSlingshot**

The Metal Tide wrote:
GiantSlingshot wrote:Didn't notice it from the pictures we had (even the WD pics) But I gotta say I'm positively giddy that the Immortal weapons attach into their spines. It is the only model so far that makes me believe that the robot IS the weapon, not just a skeleton carrying a cool piece of tech. Also, like a perverse version of a Dev marine. This may have sold me on a squad of 10 immortals.

On the GW website there is a 360 view of an Immortal that confirms this. Its the first single model pic that isnt a deathmark

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat700019a&prodId=prod1380039a&rootCatGameStyle=

Yeah, that's where I saw it. Just happy with that detail, is all. Anyways...

5 finecast models, 16 components, to be released 5th of November. 45 USD.

5 finecast models, 20 components, to be released 5th of November. 35.50?

Really GW?

Edit: Accidentally grabbed obnoxiously large pics. Fix'd

**GamzaTheChaos**

Tyrs13 wrote:Can i get more rules on wraiths?

They are now JI? Whats their stat line if you know?

Is it 2 much to ask for a 5+ Toughness? 2 woulds is Woot but sucks vs Instant Death.

Nasty idea is DSing Wraiths, put them where ever you want they ignore terrain. (Not Including Enemy Troops but still is nice.)

Wondering how it could turn out getting 6 dropping them in my friends Mech Guard line (Or near it).

They would prob die instantly through sheer fire power lol.

**The Metal Tide**

Tyrs13 wrote:Can i get more rules on wraiths?

They are now JI? Whats their stat line if you know?

Is it 2 much to ask for a 5+ Toughness? 2 woulds is Woot but sucks vs Instant Death.

Nasty idea is DSing Wraiths, put them where ever you want they ignore terrain. (Not Including Enemy Troops but still is nice.)

Wondering how it could turn out getting 6 dropping them in my friends Mech Guard line (Or near it).

Well they now have a gun of some sort, so I would say you could guess that they will have a BS of 4 like the rest of the army. From what Yakface wrote you can gather this much

WS? BS Im guessing 4 S? T? W2 I2 A3 Ld10(like the rest of the army) Sv3++(Im guessing a 3+ armor save too)

**hollowmirror**

I don't know if anyone has brought it up but the GW page says that the necron lord can take tachyon arrows. Taking 5 royal court lords each with an arrow sounds like it could be great anti-tank potential for an early turn assault of their strongest or most key tanks.

That plus adding a couple stalkers to the list help guarantee those one time use arrows get the most for their points, makes it seem like a pretty fun idea.

**The Metal Tide**

The problem with Flayed ones is that GW shouldn't have tried to make the skin look like the bandages of a mummy. And they should have left off the corpses.

**asimo77**

Anyone notice the funny jack-o-latern style mouth on one of the Flayed Ones? What's up with that?

**GiantSlingshot**

asimo77 wrote:Anyone notice the funny jack-o-latern style mouth on one of the Flayed Ones? What's up with that?

I actually like that one. The one that drives me up the wall is the left-most one. Looks like he's auditioning for Broadway. *Jazz-Hands*

The far right one would be my least favorite... but then I remembered I own a hobby knife.

**Zathras**

GiantSlingshot wrote:
asimo77 wrote:Anyone notice the funny jack-o-latern style mouth on one of the Flayed Ones? What's up with that?

I actually like that one. The one that drives me up the wall is the left-most one. Looks like he's auditioning for Broadway. *Jazz-Hands*

The far right one would be my least favorite... but then I remembered I own a hobby knife.

I like the one in the upper right. It looks like its about to chuck the remains back to where it got them from, saying "Here's your friend back. Prepare to die."

**GiantSlingshot**

A court full of Tachyons could be pretty mean indeed. But, another thing that I saw reading through product descriptions was in the Overlord write up, it describes "It's up to you whether your Overlord is a stately, lead 'em from the back type (resurrection orb)..." This statement is a puzzle to me.

For our current understanding of the orb, it's only effective for units that the orb is attached to. If an overlord were to "Lead 'em from the back," one would imagine he's not attached to a unit. Is Ward just implying he'd take an orb for his own sake, or is there some advantage we aren't privy to?

**The Metal Tide**

Is it me or does the GW model of the necron overlord have the same deep neck piece as paladins where the head hardly sticks out of the armor.

**bluebomber**

GiantSlingshot wrote:A court full of Tachyons could be pretty mean indeed. But, another thing that I saw reading through product descriptions was in the Overlord write up, it describes "It's up to you whether your Overlord is a stately, lead 'em from the back type (resurrection orb)..." This statement is a puzzle to me.

For our current understanding of the orb, it's only effective for units that the orb is attached to. If an overlord were to "Lead 'em from the back," one would imagine he's not attached to a unit. Is Ward just implying he'd take an orb for his own sake, or is there some advantage we aren't privy to?

I saw that as well

It gives me hope that mabye if in the hands of a overlord that the the res orb 6inch rule still works aand you would only take res orbs with normal lords if you know they will not be in range of the phalanx

**XclusivevVorTex**

Is the night scythe the flying cresent shaped thing in the new necron background?

**MightisRight**

Yeah, my friend was planning to make a vulkan list no wthat his meltas can kill my liths - wait till he hears about that C'tan ability!

**Deus_Morte**

Have any black boxes and codexes been released yet?