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MasterSlowPoke wrote:Found this on the Heavy Destroyer page:

Heavy Destroyers provide long range firepower for a Necron army. Their speed and weapon range makes them perfect for sniping enemy vehicles and elite units. At strength 9 and AP2 the Heavy Gauss Cannon will penetrate even the thickest armour. Your Heavy Destroyers can also be used to give you an advantage in the deployment phase. By deploying a Heavy Destroyer first you can wait and see where your opponent puts his own choice before committing a more expensive unit like a Monolith. Again, using a single Heavy Destroyer, you can push your opponent right back into his deployment zone. By deploying your Heavy Destroyer as far forward as possible you will force your opponent to deploy his units 24" back into his own table half, your Heavy destroyer can then turbo boost to a more sensible position on the first turn.

Doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Possibly incoming 6th edition rule?

Afterall, this is a 6th edition codex and not all of it will make sense... Maybe in 6th you deploy squads at a time and take turns *shrugs*

Codex SHOULD clear a bit up if anything.

I don't remember seeing that on there before, but it's not exactly like the Heavy Destroyer store page was my homepage.

BrassScorpion wrote:

King Pariah wrote:Huh, there's a guy on ebay offering pre orders on the Ghost/ Doomsday Ark at $38.99....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRE-ORDER-40k-Necrons-Necron-Ghost-Doomsday-Ark-box-new-re-release-nib-/190592368392?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c6030bf08

With the $5.99 shipping that's $44.98. It would be cheaper to order it from a 20% off discounter like www.thewarstore.com and pay the FLAT $5.95 shipping on your entire order if you're going to buy more than one item, though the eBay seller does hint at lower pricing for large orders.

I went ahead and contacted the seller and he was able to knock a few more % off since I got 4 boxes (didn't get a ghost ark though). Everything smooth so far.

Nice looking models all round but I am worry about balance issues with the barge model. It looks front heavy to me to the point of tipping over when you bump the table just a small bit.

I picked up the new WD at my local store today. I have to say after reading a couple of the articles and looking at all the pictures, I am even more excited about this release than i was before.

I think that i will make both of my ghost arks into transports, the doomsday cannon (while impressively strong) is too immobile for my tastes. For heavy support it will be a mix of monoliths, tomb spyders (maybe), and definitely 1+ annihilation barges. Seriously, has anybody test-rolled these things yet? Twin-linked s7 heavy 4 tesla, plus a 3 shot s6 tesla weapon on the bottom puts out 7-12 wounds on a MeQ squad over and over again...yes the range is only 24" but i think that will be less of an issue when we see these on the tabletop. I have 2 command barge kits and I will probably get 2 more a few weeks after release day.


What units have you fallen in love with pre-release?

Munga wrote:45 bucks for 5 flayed ones? Am I missing something here?

Could be worse, they could be *looks up Australian price* Jesus! $72? What the fething feth???????

Am I right in thinking that the night scythe can hold 15 men but will usually be used for Lychguard, Ptaetorians, and Immortals which only have a maximum squad size of 10. why give the space for the other 5 except to fit 7 Ptaetorians instead of 5 unless in 6 Ed there might be able to have more than one squad in a transport. Any thought on that?

The US price of $45 for 5 Flayed Ones is outrageous and worse down under. Especially since Finecast models cost less to produce than their multi-part plastic kits. My advice, convert some from regular Warriors, it's not a tough job or lengthy. Some thin plastic card or bits for blade fingers, Green Stuff or very thin plastic card for irregular "skin" coverings.

tetrisphreak wrote:I picked up the new WD at my local store today. I have to say after reading a couple of the articles and looking at all the pictures, I am even more excited about this release than i was before.

I think that i will make both of my ghost arks into transports, the doomsday cannon (while impressively strong) is too immobile for my tastes. For heavy support it will be a mix of monoliths, tomb spyders (maybe), and definitely 1+ annihilation barges. Seriously, has anybody test-rolled these things yet? Twin-linked s7 heavy 4 tesla, plus a 3 shot s6 tesla weapon on the bottom puts out 7-12 wounds on a MeQ squad over and over again...yes the range is only 24" but i think that will be less of an issue when we see these on the tabletop. I have 2 command barge kits and I will probably get 2 more a few weeks after release day.


What units have you fallen in love with pre-release?

dont forget it has a tw tesla destructor and a tesla cannon

BrassScorpion wrote:The US price of $45 for 5 Flayed Ones is outrageous and worse down under. Especially since Finecast models cost less to produce than their multi-part plastic kits. My advice, convert some from regular Warriors, it's not a tough job or lengthy. Some thin plastic card or bits for blade fingers, Green Stuff or very thin plastic card for irregular "skin" coverings.

I think I heard the metal Flayed ones on eBay just skyrocket.

LOL Balance issues have new meaning for me now, Zathras. Confusingly enough, the site says that it comes with, and this is cut and paste, "This kit comes with one two small flying stems, one large flying base and two Necron transfer sheets." So I think that means that it has 3 supports in the box. The wording is horrendous, but I really do hope that it has three stands to help hold that crazy looking thing up. One large flying base and two smaller support posts is what I can make out of that. Also, I can totally buy the old metal flayed ones for about 12 bucks a blister of 2 at the local. Maybe I should? I know I'll only be getting one more model, and the new models do look good, but they're metal.

It's the Diaz Daemonette thing all over again.

But gak... $72? Are you serious? I'd be surprised if there's even $5 worth of resin in there.

Munga wrote:LOL Balance issues have new meaning for me now, Zathras. Confusingly enough, the site says that it comes with, and this is cut and paste, "This kit comes with one two small flying stems, one large flying base and two Necron transfer sheets." So I think that means that it has 3 supports in the box. The wording is horrendous, but I really do hope that it has three stands to help hold that crazy looking thing up. One large flying base and two smaller support posts is what I can make out of that. Also, I can totally buy the old metal flayed ones for about 12 bucks a blister of 2 at the local. Maybe I should? I know I'll only be getting one more model, and the new models do look good, but they're metal.

No. It means two stems and one round base. The stems in the Destroyer box always come in twos. Yet, there is only one base.

Flayed ones look horrible. I won't be using them out of protest for the horrible model. Also, if I am playing against someone who has them, I will attack them first in order to get them off the table. The old metal ones are going to be priceless soon.

Munga wrote:LOL Balance issues have new meaning for me now, Zathras. Confusingly enough, the site says that it comes with, and this is cut and paste, "This kit comes with one two small flying stems, one large flying base and two Necron transfer sheets." So I think that means that it has 3 supports in the box. The wording is horrendous, but I really do hope that it has three stands to help hold that crazy looking thing up. One large flying base and two smaller support posts is what I can make out of that. Also, I can totally buy the old metal flayed ones for about 12 bucks a blister of 2 at the local. Maybe I should? I know I'll only be getting one more model, and the new models do look good, but they're metal.

The Barge model might be a good candidate for a CorSec Engineering flight stand. I just don't trust a GW flight stand to stand up to normal game usage with that model.

So flayed ones = pyrovores of the codex?

Has anyone seen any of their abilities yet to justify them? I have 10 of the old metal ones, half missing a hand or two due to the how the claws were supposed to glue on.

wtf have they done to the flayed ones. Its a metal mummy. I dont like it.


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Warboss Gubbinz wrote:So flayed ones = pyrovores of the codex?

Has anyone seen any of their abilities yet to justify them? I have 10 of the old metal ones, half missing a hand or two due to the how the claws were supposed to glue on.

Yak says
3 Attacks base (and no additional CC weapons). Can infiltrate or Deep Strike. No transport options. 5-20 in a unit.

GW says WS4 BS1 S4 T4 W1 I2 A3 Ld10 Sv4+

notice BS1. Do they have anything to shoot

Anyone notice the damaged nightbringer model 360? they broke that thing badly....I remember its old glory.....

scratches everywhere....

Btw....

Why are we initiative 2?? Pretorians look bad in CC....hopefully they get a gear option.

Does the phase shifter now bring up I ?

Cause the overlords description says to take seprimental weave and a phase shifter....for close combat, maybe it confers to the unit for a I boost...

They will probably also have a rule like the old terrifying visage or soulless special rule.

yakface wrote:
The only wargear choices Destroyer Lords have are:

• Sempiternal Weave
• Mindshackle Sacarbs
• Tachyon Arrow
• Resurrection Orb

Phase shifter grants a 3+ invulnerable save, similar to the "old" Necron codex right? (will be old in a week)

So the destroyer lord can get a Sempiternal Weave for a 2+ armour save, but has no invulnerable save option at all? I would have liked to have run a destroyer lord with jump infantry, but now it only makes sense if he is joining Wraiths not Praetorians in terms of survivability. Well at least when my two boxes of Guard/ Praetorians turn up I'm fairly safe in knowing which I'll be assembling them as. I guess in fairness he will be true Toughness 6, 3 wounds, with a 2+ save which is still fairly survivable. Do Lords and Crypteks still have a chance to stand back up with a single wound like the Lords of old? This raises the question of if they fall while holding an Orb does the bonus still count? I'm walking into GW on release day to grab a codex!

Even with their lame initiative, I think a large squad of Lych Guard (voidsheild) and Wraiths supported by Res Orbs and the special characters of Zandrek and Obyron are going to be some very reliable and effective units. There is potential for trying to simply out last your enemy with this army now I honestly believe, its a great change from being tabled by turn 4 if your opponent is aggressive and close combat oriented, going for a phase out

Check out the rules for Crypteks at
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1380035a

These sound like fun and the model is cool. However, once again they create a model that gamers would want to buy in numbers of easily 3 to 5, yet instead of a somewhat affordable box set they are $15.25 US each. If they are more expensive than Terminators people are unlikely to buy 5 of them. Even a box set of 5 for $33 would have seemed good by comparison. :(

I hope that crypteks are the key to evening out the battlefield as far as close combat.....

Tremorstave etc etc sounds like it reduces I of opponents...so does the Chronometron...we will see....

I really hope that the I 2 does not kill us with assaulting armies...(Dark eldar Incubi cults/SPEHSMEHREENS.)

I really love close combat if you cant tell....lol

The Metal Tide wrote:Am I right in thinking that the night scythe can hold 15 men but will usually be used for Lychguard, Ptaetorians, and Immortals which only have a maximum squad size of 10. why give the space for the other 5 except to fit 7 Ptaetorians instead of 5 unless in 6 Ed there might be able to have more than one squad in a transport. Any thought on that?

It can hold jump infantry (2 models per) and jet bikes (3 models per).

BrassScorpion wrote:Check out the rules for Crypteks at
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1380035a

These sound like fun and the model is cool. However, once again they create a model that gamers would want to buy in numbers of easily 3 to 5, yet instead of a somewhat affordable box set they are $15.25 US each. If they are more expensive than Terminators people are unlikely to buy 5 of them. Even a box set of 5 for $33 would have seemed good by comparison. :(

Y'know...

I don't see why anyone would buy the Cryptek model. He looks goofy as heck, in terms of the sculpt.

If I were to start a Necron army and use Crypteks, I'd use the Deathmark heads and staves from the Lychguard.
Heck, I'd probably use a whole body from the Lychguard for the Crypteks with the Deathmark heads and the addition of some fancypants crests from the Lychguard.
Would it be cheap to do? Probably not, but if you're going to field a ton of Immortals--you'll likely have some Deathmark bits to spare right?

Another thing to be noted....the dispersion shields do they reflect blast template weapons?

If so anyone with a Plasma tank.....shooting the large blast...and using the shields to deflect does that mean if I get 5 4+ Invuls and deflect it....I get 5 large blasts?

Evegoden wrote:Another thing to be noted....the dispersion shields do they reflect blast template weapons?

If so anyone with a Plasma tank.....shooting the large blast...and using the shields to deflect does that mean if I get 5 4+ Invuls and deflect it....I get 5 large blasts?

No, the rules are very clear about this...a save from the shield equals a single hit. Templates are not repositioned.

GW's Facebook wrote:For those who have waited patiently (some more patient than others) here they are - The Necrons Return!

Oh shut the feth up...

Anyway, it all looks good, except the flayed ones. As if the models weren't enough of a joke, there's a $45 USD price tag to go with them? They obviously don't want anyone to buy flayed ones, and I recommend we all oblige them, lol. I know I sure as hell will be.

1. Finecast.
2. Ridiculous price.
3. Goofy fething sculpts that shouldn't have made it into production.

So that means I get whatever str and ap of the weapon as a single shot back to a unit within 6inch?

That still sounds deadly.

I would have bought a box of the Flayed Ones if they were at $33 like the rest of the 5 man units. I kind of like the sculpts but not $45 like the sculpts.

yakface wrote:

The Metal Tide wrote:Am I right in thinking that the night scythe can hold 15 men but will usually be used for Lychguard, Ptaetorians, and Immortals which only have a maximum squad size of 10. why give the space for the other 5 except to fit 7 Ptaetorians instead of 5 unless in 6 Ed there might be able to have more than one squad in a transport. Any thought on that?

It can hold jump infantry (2 models per) and jet bikes (3 models per).

Oh I didnt know that it could hold jetbikes. that makes more sense now. Wow is it the first transport to be able to hold jetbikes

I'm really curious to see what's coming in the next batch of models. I assume we'll get Wraiths, Tomb Spyders, the Triarch Stalker, and the Doom Scythe, but I'm more interested in seeing if we get any more options for Lords or Crypteks. I don't think it bodes well that they're re-releasing the old Lord (and the old, OLD Lord...) in Finecast. Doesn't seem like they'd do that if there were new models in the works. The option to take up to 10 Lords becomes a lot less appealing knowing a lot of them will be identical twins.

I'm still going to hope for more Crypteks. The current model is great (although I want to do something about that chin), but the pose is so distinctive it's hard to imagine using 5-10 of that same model. What I would love to see is a "command box" with 5 distinct Lords or Crypteks. As is, I have no idea what I'll model them from (let alone all of their fancy new wargear)...

Is there any standard length of time between the first and second wave of models? I haven't been around for any of the recent new releases so I'm fuzzy on how the schedule usually works (last I remember was Necrons 2002...)