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 Pacific wrote:
Think that actually sounds like a very reasonable price for an expansion, if it's a whole new campaign/story to play through and minis to go along with it.

Pretty much the going rate for a lot of other board games, and that's discounting how beautifully detailed slot of the miniatures are.

$40 for the Nightmare Ram expansion is the KS special price - once released its going to retail for $80.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Kinda lame that the Nightmare Ram expansion doesn't include an armor kit. I hope that isn't a trend going forward.

It does include four survivor types, though. Can anyone tell me how big the Nightmare Ram mini is? I'm pretty sure I want to get this expansion, but $40 + $17 +$2 seems pretty steep for four people and a scary horse.

EDIT: Wait, does the Nightmare Ram not even come with some static pose guys?

Yes, it says it comes with four mono-pose survivors. But I like the armor kits. Especially since I've been magnetizing them (like so: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2016/06/kingdom-death-survivor-magnetizing.html). That allows me to use the same head for an individual survivor throughout a campaign, with whatever armor and weapons they are equipped with at any given time. That won't be possible with the Nightmare Ram expansion (if I decide to get it), and I'm hoping that isn't going to be a trend going forward, because I want the expansions to come with survivors that I'll be able to use and that will look right.

Adam has said there is so much fur on the nighmare ram armour it couldn't be made compatible with the armour kits, which is why it's not getting ine

its not a move away from the armour kit idea

Albino Squirrel wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Kinda lame that the Nightmare Ram expansion doesn't include an armor kit. I hope that isn't a trend going forward.

It does include four survivor types, though.

Yes, it says it comes with four mono-pose survivors. But I like the armor kits. Especially since I've been magnetizing them (like so: http://adventuresinminiaturegaming.blogspot.com/2016/06/kingdom-death-survivor-magnetizing.html). That allows me to use the same head for an individual survivor throughout a campaign, with whatever armor and weapons they are equipped with at any given time. That won't be possible with the Nightmare Ram expansion

I'm hoping that isn't going to be a trend going forward, because I want the expansions to come with survivors that I'll be able to use and that will look right.

Huh? You can't convert the NR Survivors to magnetize the head?

IMO, the mono-pose minis look better. Compare the (smooth backs!) Unarmored Kit with the monopose starting Survivors.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, it's only because the nightmare Ram armour doesn't really work with the others and is being released separately. I don't think it's going to be a trend.

I don't see how that makes sense. Okay, so they pieces won't be interchangeable with the other armor kits. Fine. Why does that mean it has to be released separately from the expansion? And, of course, for extra money.

I still don't see anything to conclude, one way or another, whether or not this will be the case for all the expansions going forward. I hope it isn't.

Aaand, KD:M passed Dark Soul's $5.4M:


At the latest $250k/day, this will top out around $16M?

Regardless, this looks like Exploding Kittens will not be the biggest board game KS.

Albino Squirrel wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Yeah, it's only because the nightmare Ram armour doesn't really work with the others and is being released separately. I don't think it's going to be a trend.

I don't see how that makes sense. Okay, so they pieces won't be interchangeable with the other armor kits. Fine. Why does that mean it has to be released separately from the expansion? And, of course, for extra money.

I still don't see anything to conclude, one way or another, whether or not this will be the case for all the expansions going forward. I hope it isn't.

From this https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/014/695/940/a5bd5e36ecd47d851b162f414ccc4951_original.png?w=639&fit=max&v=1480375907&auto=format&lossless=true&s=de720386fa527416b9f66680f5af0741
It seems to me the Alpine models are included ? (4 narrative sculpture Alpine armor survivors, in the content list)
Or maybe I've misunderstood you?

The Stretch Goals were listed out to $2.05M.

The campaign is currently at $5.65M.

Is it only to be a slow drip reveal of already achieved stretch goals for the next 39 days, with no new ones, or will there be new ones as well, for going $3+M over the last one listed?

Or has Adam noted that everything that was going to be achieved has been achieved?

Personally the only thing I do not like about KDM are the multiposed models and would rather have monopose models.

The monopose give better dynamic, are more coherent and do not have the compromises the mutiposed sculpts have.

But its a minor thing I do not like and its a far more efficient way for Adam to have all the options available to the players.



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 Alpharius wrote:

Or has Adam noted that everything that was going to be achieved has been achieved?

More or less he alludes to this, he seems to do quality upgrades he never planned on doing because the money were not there when he planned it, for example adding a female first hero model to the first hero expansion.

He probably needs to get quotes and other things to create new stretch goals.

@Alphy - it's a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

Everything planned through $2M has been achieved, so he's just slow-rolling the reveals so he has something to say over the next 39 days. I suspect he's very busily reworking his unit costs based on higher volume to see what he can really afford to add on top of what he had originally planned.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
@Alphy - it's a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

Everything planned through $2M has been achieved, so he's just slow-rolling the reveals so he has something to say over the next 39 days. I suspect he's very busily reworking his unit costs based on higher volume to see what he can really afford to add on top of what he had originally planned.

Sounds about right, and probably the smart thing to do as well...

And the project delivery includes that Dec 2020 Wave 4 for exactly that kind of "we blew through every we thought reasonable and past what we hoped for and are into WTF do *now*???" scenario. They prob just figured that would be "last week or so of campaign" territory, not "a few hours in."

We pretty much know there's going to be significantly more than $627 worth of planned add-ons (that's the break even on the Gambler's Lantern pledges), so they had a bunch lined up already. It will be a few weeks of those being revealed, while they do some frantic number crunching to see what "slated for another time" projects they can bring forward.

 Alpharius wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
@Alphy - it's a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

Everything planned through $2M has been achieved, so he's just slow-rolling the reveals so he has something to say over the next 39 days. I suspect he's very busily reworking his unit costs based on higher volume to see what he can really afford to add on top of what he had originally planned.

Sounds about right, and probably the smart thing to do as well...

I suspect a lot of it is just people wanting to make sure they actually *get* it, given that in all likelihood the game will once again sell out before it hits retail, especially for these absurdly low prices (remember that RRP was going to be $400 for the core box).

I kinda doubt KDM will ever hit retail, as in something you'd find in a game store via regular games distribution.

 Micky wrote:

I suspect a lot of it is just people wanting to make sure they actually *get* it, given that in all likelihood the game will once again sell out before it hits retail, especially for these absurdly low prices (remember that RRP was going to be $400 for the core box).

Well, he's going to know exactly how many he's selling that the KS price before manufacturing is ordered - so he's also going to be ordering more to have on hand for sale after fulfillment (kinda the point of the KS!).


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I kinda doubt KDM will ever hit retail, as in something you'd find in a game store via regular games distribution.

Retail in KD context means "Order from their webstore whenever it's in stock, not get it from a KS campaign run every 3-4 years"!

Oh, OK, yeah. Although at this point, Adam will probably have the operating knowledge and funds in hand to restock on an annual basis. KD 2.0 reprint & upgrade next year!

Didn't see it covered, Bob, there are a lot of people on BGG who are only interested in game content- it should be pretty easy for you to find someone who wants your rules if you're only interested in the minis.

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 Pacific wrote:
beautifully detailed slot of the miniatures

Autocorrect seems to have some preconceptions about Kingdome Death, although perhaps not incorrect ones.

Absolutely brilliant

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh, OK, yeah. Although at this point, Adam will probably have the operating knowledge and funds in hand to restock on an annual basis. KD 2.0 reprint & upgrade next year!

He needs room to get cracking on KD: Labyrinth and KD: Titan!

I... kinda' think he doesn't. I'd much prefer the first game be very stable before another one sees a lot of design time, than 2-3 games simultaneously designed with split attention, considering his expansions already saw lower standards than the core.

UPDATE #8

KD 1.5 game tray update with much stronger material.

Gambler's Chest "Scouts of Death" gameplay option.

Pinup Screaming Armor

Teaser

The pinup is nice, and an improved tray is great news. The Scout is kinda cute, and a good change to gameplay with an added risk / reward mechanic for fights.

This KS is so confusing. What is the Advanced KD:M book? is it an add-on purchase I missed?

Under the description it says +A bunch of pages to the Advanced KD:M Rulebook, so is the scout of death the Advanced book, or is it adding more pages to it???

The Advanced Rulebook is the manual in the Gambler's Chest with a bunch of rules variants and options to modify the base game engine, supported by cards and models and possibly other components.

And OMG SCREAMING GOD!!!

Chopxsticks wrote:
What is the Advanced KD:M book?

is it an add-on purchase I missed?

Under the description it says +A bunch of pages to the Advanced KD:M Rulebook, so is the scout of death the Advanced book, or is it adding more pages to it???

Well, you kinda need to read the whole update....

Advanced KD:M is a supplement to the Core Rulebook.

AKD:M is included in the Gambler's Chest (+$100).

The Scout is one item that is detailed in AKD:M, just as the Watcher is detailed in Core KD:M. Presumably, there will be more items in there, TBD.
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I do like the Screaming God model!

I'm assuming the screaming god is the antelope's counterpart to the white lion's lion god?

Will probably be pretty brutal.

Seeing as how the lion god didn't really offer up new armor kits, makes me wonder if the screaming god will then.

Pinup looks cool. I've got no problems if we see new plastic pinups every day like we have been!

That silhouette just made me lean forward.


Things are getting serious, now.


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And now I see the model itself. It reminds me of that scene on Hoth, but instead of Luke freezing it's the whole rebel alliance, and instead of a Tauntaun, they had a Bantha. Also, it has faces made from those fatty tumors dogs get when they eat a lot of margarine.

Truly nightmarish.

I wonder that looks like a big model so $$$ but looks so good

I think the base is 100mm.

So, no gamblers roll because some people on twitch didn't kill the phoenix?