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Slipspace wrote:
An interesting penultimate episode. I'm not quite as enamoured by the show as some on here seem to be, but it's definitely a cut above most of the other SW material other than Mando, and I do like the different view it gives us of life on the outskirts of the Empire, while fleshing out the inner workings of the Empire in realistic ways. There's a really well-defined probable path from where we are here to how the Empire looks at the beginning of ANH.

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Luthen‘s ship was very cool, right up until he had two giant light sabers. Even Mrs. GG was put off by that and she specifically mentioned how much she liked his ship right before they popped out.. Between those, the Kyber crystal necklace, some of the stuff in his shop and that rod he carries (which was again a plot point item specifically brought to our attention during the searching scene with Saw)… I am wondering if he is a Jedi hiding in plain sight. And his use of an Alderaan identity code for the ship… was that intentional or just a coincidence?

I am not sure the general public will care much about criminals in an Imperial prison being mistreated…. So I think Andor‘s prison buddy is going to come to an ugly end and I think Andor knows that. I see he gave him a weapon but none of the money. Pragmatic as always, our Andor.

What exactly is Mon Mothma‘s daughter so involved in? A religious group? Political? I did not quite catch that.

Spoiler:
Pretty sure it's the religion/customs of their home planet. It's related to the arranged child marriage tradition that Mon and her husband took part in, and the crime lord guy from the previous episode said he wanted for Mon's daughter and his son. I suspect they're setting up even more of a moral dilemma for Mon as she clearly doesn't want to subject her daughter to a forced marriage, but her daughter seems genuinely interested in the tradition, which might give her enough of a reason to go ahead with it.


Ah, thanks Slipspace. That makes more sense now.

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A Protoss colony world

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The capital ship would probably be easily able to deflect laser blasts directed at it thanks to its ray shields; perhaps its particle shielding wasn't so strong so the tractor countermeasure things (basically just flechettes of some kind as far as I could tell) could go through them. Or maybe particle shielding only stops fast moving objects like micrometeoroids or high-velocity bullets (like the shields in Dune). Maybe the Imperial ship designers hadn't anticipated projectiles because nobody uses projectile weapons in the Star Wars universe anymore.

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The function of the tractor beam is literally to pull stuff towards the emitter, and Luthen guns the engines before launching his countermeasures to make the cruiser ramp up the power. Given the weapon's charging time I assume it uses electromagnets or something to launch the flechettes at very high velocity, which are then accelerated even more by the tractor beam. Maybe the tractor beam has to be fired through a hole in the shield coverage or something, or the shields are effective against energy weapons but not projectiles.
   
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Interesting ideas. Thanks for posting them, guys.

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It’s not really that different from things we saw during the EU. Luke does something similar during the Thrawn trilogy.
   
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Bit with the two aliens makes much more sense with the subtitles on!

Also. Anyone else notice the Skaven symbol being cleaned up!

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Re the tractor beam, the more modern ships don't have those big emitter dish. The trick won't work against Star Destroyers, but this older type of ship is fair game.

The frequently trailed spinning ship was just a bit of Star Wars standard stuff, it only seems incongruous in the context of everything else we have seen. In a normal series we would be wondering why all ships don't fit them.
   
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Also worth keeping in mind we’ve never really met a character with Rael’s presumed personal wealth.

Everything else we’ve seen is either cheap and mass produced (Imperial) or The Best We Can Afford (Rebel Alliance and Bounty Hunters).

In a mass battle? I dare say Rael’s ship might suffer. Here of course it caught the Imperials relatively flat footed, and off guard. But something like Yavin or Endor, where there are threats coming from all angles, we may not see quite the same results.

I do love ship though!

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Holy crap!

HOLY CRAP!

That’s how it’s done! That is how it is done!

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This is like Star Wars we’ve never seen. It’s dark. It’s brutal. It’s about as realistic as we can get with Blasters and Space Wizards involved.

That speech. How the tension is built then released.

The central point that prior to The Empire, life might’ve been hard, but they were let be once their contribution was done worked beautifully as world building. Because it was The Empire establishing a permanent presence which brought the truth to it. Republic, CIS, Empire. Who the head honcho didn’t matter to Ferrix. They had a job to do, they did it. You just had to leave them be once done.

Absolutely bloody amazing. More please. Not just Andor. More Star Wars akin to this.

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Quite good. Now to let it settle and watch it all in one go in a bit.

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There’s a post credit scene! Nothing huge, but a nice touch.

Otherwise…


Spoiler:
Three fairly minor quibbles.
A.) I’d have enjoyed an ISB scene where they talk about the prison break and show a picture of the ringleader and ISB Lady can go That’s Andor! and they come to the conclusion he got arrested on purpose with the intention of causing the escape and interrupting their important work.
2.) Hammer Man needed to hammer that Trooper first before he kicked him off his tower. True fan service would have been ringing the anvil with the Trooper’s head before kicking him off.
III.) The red droid is my favorite droid now and they didn’t get enough lines in this episode. A quick exchange before the parade asking if they were ready and replying they’d spent all night charging for this would have been **chef’s kiss**.

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That’s a helluva post credits scene! I love it!

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Yeah!

Fantastic episode!

Now I'm depressed over how long I'll have to wait for season 2 :(
   
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Well...

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I called it. They were building components for the death star.


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 AduroT wrote:
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2.) Hammer Man needed to hammer that Trooper first before he kicked him off his tower.


So what your saying is...

Spoiler:
... you watched how they played the scene and thought this is madness?


 Lance845 wrote:
Well...

Spoiler:
I called it. They were building components for the death star.


Spoiler:
Yeah, what's with that? First Cassian builds the Death Star, then he wants to explode it? Dude should make up his mind already!

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 AduroT wrote:

Spoiler:
2.) Hammer Man needed to hammer that Trooper first before he kicked him off his tower. True fan service would have been ringing the anvil with the Trooper’s head before kicking him off.


They aren't spaceballs...
   
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I mean... In pretty much everything but Andor they ARE Spaceballs.


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An excellent episode. And some good comments on here. It will be a long wait until season 2…. and it set a high bar for the next shows.

Spoiler:
I will admit I totally do not know how exactly I should take the disgraced Corp security officer saving the ISB supervisor. I mean, I know they are not the protagonists. Quite the opposite, she is clearly malicious given the torture scene even if he can be looked at as just confused… but I found myself almost cheering for them surviving. I was half expecting a typical John Williams musical swell and her kissing him in that enclosed space. I feel… confused. I mean I also half expected Mon Mothma's sister to kill her partner when she told her to step away from the window. I was hating Luthen at this point. This show… wow. Fair play. You just never know quite what to expect. The final scene between Cassian and Luthen, the only 5ing I knew was Cassian had to survive due to Rogue One but other than that I just did not know how it would play out. Brilliant!

I liked the soft, quiet touch of the former corp security sergeant sitting alone in that alleyway having a drink, apparently in resignation. I really want to know what happens to him. He certainly did not look too kindly at the Imperial soldier/cop that stopped him and his “boss”. That is the kind of scene too often ignored by writers/directors.

When I complain about poor writing in shows it is because I want writing like this! It ties up most loose ends, it subverts expectations but it also makes sense.


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God that was just amazing.
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Their escape ship has Y-Wing engines as well so that's a 100/10 from me.
   
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Was that ship a canon example of an Ugly do you reckon? Something bodged together out of bits and gubbins from other ships?

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Considering how much of that city's industry and commerce revolved around scrapping and junk I'd say it's likely.
   
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I might be behind on the news but I figure this bares repeating if I've missed it because my gods its awesome.



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OK I’m down for it.


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 Overread wrote:
I might be behind on the news but I figure this bares repeating if I've missed it because my gods its awesome.




Isn't that the "Grogu and the Dust Bunnies" short? I thought it was just that. It's up on Disney+

As to Andor as a whole... I want more of this, please.

I don't want everything Star Wars being "grity and realistic" like Andor: I want Disney devoting the same amount of care to writing, cinematography, characterization, music and, well... everything else, that they have shown they are capable of in Andor.

I also want less "Star Wars Street" and more expanding the world with new characters and new locations. Ferrix feels much more alive now than Tatooine, for example.

I am somewhat tired of lightsabers, too, but if you make a jedi series at this level, I'll gobble it up nonetheless, even if I'd rather see other themes.

Please, more of this.

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 Albertorius wrote:
I don't want everything Star Wars being "grity and realistic" like Andor: I want Disney devoting the same amount of care to writing, cinematography, characterization, music and, well... everything else, that they have shown they are capable of in Andor.


I'll second that. Andor has really shown what care on the writing side can do for Star Wars.

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They’re both Disney, so maybe they can do the Marvel formula of making a genre product, and setting in Star Wars.

 
   
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 Geifer wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
I don't want everything Star Wars being "grity and realistic" like Andor: I want Disney devoting the same amount of care to writing, cinematography, characterization, music and, well... everything else, that they have shown they are capable of in Andor.


I'll second that. Andor has really shown what care on the writing side can do for Star Wars.


I will add a third voice to that. Bladerunner level of immersion and worldbuilding going on in Andor. Loving that!

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Loving Andor and didn't know there was an after credits scene till after I saw E12.

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Slightly disappointed, I liked it when the work they were doing in the prison was something bizarre and Kafkaesque and liked the idea they, and we, would never even know what it was all for.

Ah well.


 
   
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The brass/marching band scene is one of the most powerful things from any Star Wars ever. From the slow tuning up, the funeral dirge and then the quickened pace towards the end of the march. Exceptional stuff.

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