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I don’t know that they droid that downloaded into the Falcon got to keep its personality or if it gave up its sentience and ended up just data.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I don’t know that they droid that downloaded into the Falcon got to keep its personality or if it gave up its sentience and ended up just data.


Presumably some of it would be left, considering C-3PO's comment about its peculiarity.

Not sure that's much of an AI in the modern sense, though. Everything is still manually done by the crew and the Falcon's computer just operates in the background without autonomy or functions that overtly take over from the fleshlings, in the same way the computer I'm typing on works. There's a lot of tech working in the background, but unless I make it do something, it doesn't do anything. The Falcon has more of a communication or personality oddity than an AI or droid remnant.

The ship in Andor at least has an internal visual sensor, accepts audio input and has control over some ship functions. That's far more like a hardwired droid or AI and a hefty step up from the Falcon.

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In addition to the Falcon, Empire also has the Cloud City central computer apparently volunteer information to R2 about the hyperdrive being disabled. One of those 'point of view' short stories confirmed that L3 wasn't the only droid brain that had been hooked up to and had their personality persist within the Falcon's computer systems, Poe's X-Wing had a computer that apparently had enough of a personality to clash with BB-8...

The EU has any number of stories featuring evil hammy computers, including a notable one where IG-88 infiltrates the Death Star 2 in order to upload its mind and take it over - only to be stopped by that black painted R2 unit you see trundling around in the background shots.

   
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Another great episode… but yeah, if you look too closely at the technology things start to unravel. Some brilliant acting, some minor plot holes but otherwise overall good writing.

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I remain stoked it’s getting universal appreciation.

As discussed pages ago, as a lifelong Star Wars fan, I loved that it wasn’t Star Wars By The Numbers, but expressed concern that fact might have put more casual watches off.

I mean, if you’re tuning in for pew-zap-pew and derring do, and get a near Scandi Noir take on Star Wars, I can see it putting you right off.

But despite its careful pace (not slow. This is deliberate) and lower key events, it’s bloody engrossing. Definitely seems to have All The Acting, as if it’s impact is such it bent space time, collecting up The Acting from everything that came before.

We can only hope those that be appreciate the wider appreciation, and loosen up (heh, inadvertent quote) what they allow to be made for a tent pole IP.

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Watched a few episodes round at my mums last night. The occasional comment from an easily baffled old person, but still had to sit through all the star wars with her kids, and now their grandchildren so gets the basics. Her comment at the end about Axis was, 'He seems to be the bad guy, is he meant to be the bad guy?'.
I thought that was great
   
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That's nice.

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Wow, ep10 was just......woooo...

Possibly controversial opinion..Last time I was this impressed by a show was The Wire.

I would describe it as "Star Wars taken seriously" and is pretty much everything I was hoping we'd get from the franchise as I grew up.

Best writing and cast of any genre show available right now (yeah,I'm looking at you HotD...you're good, but not this good).

We've got The Mandalorian for the classic Saturday afternoon matinee adventure stuff, and now this is giving us oldies something more mature to contemplate.

The difference in quality between this and the last few films is simply STAGGERING (although I will admit to being quite fond of Solo).

Stellan Skarsgard and Andy Serkis absolutely need recognition for their performances, and I'm rapidly thinking that the actress who plays Mon Mothma is approaching their level too.

Really like how they are showing the compromises in ethics that the early rebels are having to make, whilst simultaneously exploring what it is that makes the empire so terrible (beyond hammy cackilng and lightning bolts).

Absolutley loving this show.





   
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I am not hopeful for it, but I really wish we could see some side/background force user characters with this tone. It would be amazing to see the dark gritty lived in and intriguing SW universe with some side mysticism that feels other worldly and dangerous or awe inspiring.


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princeyg wrote:
Wow, ep10 was just......woooo...

Possibly controversial opinion..Last time I was this impressed by a show was The Wire.

I would describe it as "Star Wars taken seriously" and is pretty much everything I was hoping we'd get from the franchise as I grew up.

Best writing and cast of any genre show available right now (yeah,I'm looking at you HotD...you're good, but not this good).

We've got The Mandalorian for the classic Saturday afternoon matinee adventure stuff, and now this is giving us oldies something more mature to contemplate.

The difference in quality between this and the last few films is simply STAGGERING (although I will admit to being quite fond of Solo).

Stellan Skarsgard and Andy Serkis absolutely need recognition for their performances, and I'm rapidly thinking that the actress who plays Mon Mothma is approaching their level too.

Really like how they are showing the compromises in ethics that the early rebels are having to make, whilst simultaneously exploring what it is that makes the empire so terrible (beyond hammy cackilng and lightning bolts).

Absolutley loving this show.







Genevieve O’Reilly definitely needs recognition for this. Unlike Messrs Skarsgard and Serkis, Mon Mothma is a near 40 year old character not noted for being particularly interesting. So she’s not building from a blank slate, which seems a tougher job than selling an entirely new character

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Mon Mothma hasn't done anything yet. 10 episodes in, and her entire arc has been setting up for something to happen.

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I'm getting the impression that she's there as contrast to the extremists, trying to fight a clean(ish) rebellion. I'd argue she is doing something, albeit not very successfully to provide the aforementioned contrast to the extremists who actually get stuff done.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:Mon Mothma hasn't done anything yet. 10 episodes in, and her entire arc has been setting up for something to happen.


Geifer wrote:I'm getting the impression that she's there as contrast to the extremists, trying to fight a clean(ish) rebellion. I'd argue she is doing something, albeit not very successfully to provide the aforementioned contrast to the extremists who actually get stuff done.


I hadn’t given much thought to it, but that rings true. She’s trying to work within the system, and not getting much done and is taking forever to even try. This contrasts with the more extreme branches who are achieving results, but at what cost? It’s not that she’s not at risk. The empire would disappear her as an example in their fight against corruption.

   
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Her situation also ties into Rael’s declaration that the Rebellion has cost him everything. And Mon Mothma is edging closer to her Rebels debut timeline wise.

And do remember it’s not until Rogue One that we really see a proper pulling together of the Rebellion and a course of action agreed.

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And…

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Just like that? Rael has my favourite Star Wars ship ever! I may even buy the hopefully inevitable X-Wing model!

Some nice reuse of assets in the Quad Jumper and Imperial Ship.

Once again we see a more sober approach to the action, and Imperial arrogance catching them with flat feet.

Overall a relatively quiet episode, prior to the season finale. I quite like that, particularly as we know there’s another 12 episode to come in the future, so I’m not expecting a major cliff hanger, so much as something like Andor more formally signing up with his Rebel Cell.

Absolutely wonderful stuff. A class in careful restraint.

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That ship is Definitely gonna make it into X-Wing somehow.

He’s definitely going to the funeral. He’s smart enough to know he shouldn’t, but he’s emotional enough he’ll try anyways. He’s got to. They’ve set too much stuff up around it.

Almost surprised they showed the escape from the planet. I thought they might hand wave that bit. I’d be curious how that ship was allowed to leave the planet after a prison break though, but I’ll accept that for my hand wave.

 
   
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I’ll need to rewatch with subtitles though. I found it hard to hear some dialogue. Think it’s probs my hearing though.

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The only part a had a problem with was the aliens. I could only half hear/understand what he was saying, but I got the gist of it from context and the bits I could understand.

 
   
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That’s where I definitely struggled too.

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While the aliens are hard to understand in detail, I think it's a nice acknowledgement that not everyone in the galaxy speaks basic and some who learn it don't progress beyond a rudimentary understanding they need for trade.

Looking forward to next week. Looks like there's going to be a big party and everyone's invited!

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Definitely looking forward to the finale. Really hoping they stick the landing because the rest has been quite exceptional.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
The only part a had a problem with was the aliens. I could only half hear/understand what he was saying, but I got the gist of it from context and the bits I could understand.


A good episode. And I quite agree about having a hard time understanding those two aliens.

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Luthen‘s ship was very cool, right up until he had two giant light sabers. Even Mrs. GG was put off by that and she specifically mentioned how much she liked his ship right before they popped out.. Between those, the Kyber crystal necklace, some of the stuff in his shop and that rod he carries (which was again a plot point item specifically brought to our attention during the searching scene with Saw)… I am wondering if he is a Jedi hiding in plain sight. And his use of an Alderaan identity code for the ship… was that intentional or just a coincidence?

I am not sure the general public will care much about criminals in an Imperial prison being mistreated…. So I think Andor‘s prison buddy is going to come to an ugly end and I think Andor knows that. I see he gave him a weapon but none of the money. Pragmatic as always, our Andor.

What exactly is Mon Mothma‘s daughter so involved in? A religious group? Political? I did not quite catch that.

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Hm. I don’t know that they’re actually sabers. They extended clear off the edge of the screen in all shots, so I think they’re just “normal” lasers of some variety.

 
   
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I can see it being tech derived from the same principles. But, we have also seen coherent beam weapons elsewhere, such as the MAC



There are a couple of differences (no charge up time, different beam colour) those can be down to further refinement of the technology and/or a different manufacturer)

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An interesting penultimate episode. I'm not quite as enamoured by the show as some on here seem to be, but it's definitely a cut above most of the other SW material other than Mando, and I do like the different view it gives us of life on the outskirts of the Empire, while fleshing out the inner workings of the Empire in realistic ways. There's a really well-defined probable path from where we are here to how the Empire looks at the beginning of ANH.

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Luthen‘s ship was very cool, right up until he had two giant light sabers. Even Mrs. GG was put off by that and she specifically mentioned how much she liked his ship right before they popped out.. Between those, the Kyber crystal necklace, some of the stuff in his shop and that rod he carries (which was again a plot point item specifically brought to our attention during the searching scene with Saw)… I am wondering if he is a Jedi hiding in plain sight. And his use of an Alderaan identity code for the ship… was that intentional or just a coincidence?

I am not sure the general public will care much about criminals in an Imperial prison being mistreated…. So I think Andor‘s prison buddy is going to come to an ugly end and I think Andor knows that. I see he gave him a weapon but none of the money. Pragmatic as always, our Andor.

What exactly is Mon Mothma‘s daughter so involved in? A religious group? Political? I did not quite catch that.

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Pretty sure it's the religion/customs of their home planet. It's related to the arranged child marriage tradition that Mon and her husband took part in, and the crime lord guy from the previous episode said he wanted for Mon's daughter and his son. I suspect they're setting up even more of a moral dilemma for Mon as she clearly doesn't want to subject her daughter to a forced marriage, but her daughter seems genuinely interested in the tradition, which might give her enough of a reason to go ahead with it.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I can see it being tech derived from the same principles. But, we have also seen coherent beam weapons elsewhere, such as the MAC

There are a couple of differences (no charge up time, different beam colour) those can be down to further refinement of the technology and/or a different manufacturer)


They may actually have a charge up time. The moment he opens their hatches and the tubes pop out they’re already glowing red for a couple seconds before the lasers come out. Is that a charge up primer? A standby mode? Unknown.

Here’s a sudden random thought. Death Star uses Kyber as well and fires a continuous beam. Are they mini Death Star lasers?

Also, imagine if he had used them when he buzzed the big ship’s bridge window.
   
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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
 AduroT wrote:
The only part a had a problem with was the aliens. I could only half hear/understand what he was saying, but I got the gist of it from context and the bits I could understand.


A good episode. And I quite agree about having a hard time understanding those two aliens.

Spoiler:
Luthen‘s ship was very cool, right up until he had two giant light sabers. Even Mrs. GG was put off by that and she specifically mentioned how much she liked his ship right before they popped out.. Between those, the Kyber crystal necklace, some of the stuff in his shop and that rod he carries (which was again a plot point item specifically brought to our attention during the searching scene with Saw)… I am wondering if he is a Jedi hiding in plain sight. And his use of an Alderaan identity code for the ship… was that intentional or just a coincidence?

I am not sure the general public will care much about criminals in an Imperial prison being mistreated…. So I think Andor‘s prison buddy is going to come to an ugly end and I think Andor knows that. I see he gave him a weapon but none of the money. Pragmatic as always, our Andor.

What exactly is Mon Mothma‘s daughter so involved in? A religious group? Political? I did not quite catch that.


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Well, if Luthen was a Jedi, he sure isn't anymore. His ship's laser swords are red and he certainly acts like it, too.

I have a good feeling about Cassian's buddy coming to an ugly end. I bet he becomes a terrorist and gets shot on Scarif.


 AduroT wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I can see it being tech derived from the same principles. But, we have also seen coherent beam weapons elsewhere, such as the MAC

There are a couple of differences (no charge up time, different beam colour) those can be down to further refinement of the technology and/or a different manufacturer)


They may actually have a charge up time. The moment he opens their hatches and the tubes pop out they’re already glowing red for a couple seconds before the lasers come out. Is that a charge up primer? A standby mode? Unknown.

Here’s a sudden random thought. Death Star uses Kyber as well and fires a continuous beam. Are they mini Death Star lasers?

Also, imagine if he had used them when he buzzed the big ship’s bridge window.


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I was a bit WTF about the ship, to be honest.

On the positive side, he tried spinning. Evidently that's a good trick.

On the not so positive side, he seems to have pretty neat gadgets that provide a handy counter to tractor beams, which I'm sure would have altered a decent number of movies and TV episodes if that stuff had been around. And the lasers are kind of gratuitous considering he was easily able to shoot down the other two TIEs the old-fashioned way.

I suppose I'm not too bothered in retrospect if you explain it away as experimental tech or something that comes at too great a cost (which isn't shown, so I guess not), but as a thing in the otherwise so low key show it stood out quite a bit.

As for hitting the bridge, that shouldn't achieve anything? It's a laser and the cruiser has shields. The TIEs don't have that benefit, so it works against them just fine. I'm more wondering how the tractor beam countermeasures got through the shield to damage the dish.
   
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Given his civvie disguise, I’m good with him having rare or otherwise unseen tech

Not sure who he thinks would buy that Gungan shield in his shop though. No body likes a Gungan

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
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Given his civvie disguise, I’m good with him having rare or otherwise unseen tech


That's pretty much my headcanon and I can definitely go with that. I prefer to see more outlandish ideas like that explained on screen, though.

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Not sure who he thinks would buy that Gungan shield in his shop though. No body likes a Gungan


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