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rattman wrote:

Primary are capture objectives or destroy units. mission dependant you get 1 or 2 points for destroying units (no percentages, yeah annoys me to I play a razor spam SW army)
secondry are kill the warlord +1 vp, first blood if you destroy a enamy unit first you get a 1 vp. line breaker 1vp if you have a unit in enamy deployment zone

destroyed is falling back or not on the table

Thanks. So basically the old 'kill points' are still in, but on the other hand MSU armies get a lot of points if they manage to get all their cheap stuff in the enemy deployment zone. Do Razorbacks (you mentioned your Razorbacks) and other vehicles count as a unit for the line breaker 1vp? That's something that helps fast armies a lot either way.

kirsanth wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:So question. Anyone else just want it for the fluff?
And not exactly the game? I mean that is my piece of cake. Fluff I love. Hopefully I can find some of the new lore at Lexi.

Both.
It is more interesting to tell a story with a solid system that everyone understands.

Eh. I usually just pit a 500 point army against another 500 point army and use that as a basis to write my fluff :/

kroot if you want/need and specific clarification just PM me

Oh I got banned from BLOS for correcting someone who was wrong saying you cant have IC in your allies, rule book places no restrictions on allies

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@rattman: Is removed from play and removed from play as a casualty cleared up at all?

Therion wrote:

rattman wrote:

Primary are capture objectives or destroy units. mission dependant you get 1 or 2 points for destroying units (no percentages, yeah annoys me to I play a razor spam SW army)
secondry are kill the warlord +1 vp, first blood if you destroy a enamy unit first you get a 1 vp. line breaker 1vp if you have a unit in enamy deployment zone

destroyed is falling back or not on the table

Thanks. So basically the old 'kill points' are still in, but on the other hand MSU armies get a lot of points if they manage to get all their cheap stuff in the enemy deployment zone. Do Razorbacks (you mentioned your Razorbacks) and other vehicles count as a unit for the line breaker 1vp? That's something that helps fast armies a lot either way.

you can get 1vp max. it says scoring or scoring denial unit( going to check that)

scoring denial
vehicle
swarms
failing back
plus one that makes no sense possibly a typo " plus one that specifies it never counts as a denial (scoring possibly) unit"

Sigvatr wrote:

Maelstrom808 wrote:

Sigvatr wrote:I can't really picture a Necron army that mainly consists of flyers...

Having run one a few times under pancake edition (in which they were signifigantly harder to use than what we are seeing here), it's a thing of beauty

No doubt that it does (despite being RIDICOLOUSLY expensive!), but when I think of Necrons, I just can't see an army of flyers :(

Really it's not that much more expensive than your average army of the same points...and the oldcrons used to mainly be fast, hard hitting raiding forces.

Rattman

Could you shed some light on the close combat challenge rule? Is it only IC?
Can sarge upgrades be challenged or issue challenge?
What happen if you deny a challenge?
What happen if you win the challenge?

Thanks.

rattman wrote:kroot if you want/need and specific clarification just PM me

Oh I got banned from BLOS for correcting someone who was wrong saying you cant have IC in your allies, rule book places no restrictions on allies

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lol WTF.

rattman, how do blast weapons work?
Also any chance of a confirmation on rapid fire? Is it the same as 5th or is it 2 shots @24" if stationary, 1@24" and 2@12" if moving?

He's said like 3x now that it says 1 @ 24" and 2 at 12" with no mention of it being any different if you move or not, other than some fluff.

Who knows what the FAQ will say. The halberds might still be classified as unusual force weapons. It would be a fairly ridiculous if a force weapon that granted bonus initiative suddenly started hitting slow as a truck like a power fist.

That would in fact be way better, at least then GK terminators might stand a chance against other terminators.

Oh I got banned from BLOS for correcting someone who was wrong saying you cant have IC in your allies, rule book places no restrictions on allies

Crap happens. I got booed and laughed at over at heresy online for daring to claim the upcoming GK will change the meta game right before their release. Bunch of self righteous spankers.

That´s what I like about dakka, people arent so full of themselves here.

rattman wrote:

jcd386 wrote:Rattman, can you answer by question about fast vehicles having any effect on people charging out of them?

i.e., can you move 12 with a fast vehicle, move the guys out 6, and still shoot and assault?

from the looks no, you can move 6' and disembark, shoot charge, but you cannot disembark if it moves 12'

interesting, so fast is only a buff to the shooting aspect of vehicles? weird...

Maelstrom808 wrote:He's said like 3x now that it says 1 @ 24" and 2 at 12" with no mention of it being any different if you move or not, other than some fluff.

Fair enough, foot guard is a hassle anyway
Somewhat related, is shooting from an embarked vehicle any different? I play mech guard, so it's a pretty big deal.

Rattman,

Can you tell us if troops in transports can snapfire if their transport is being assaulted?

Speaking of fluff. Have they moved any of the actual story along at all or has the warp not frozen over yet?

The guy over on reddit said that blasts are the same, however always full strength against vehicles.

Troops can shoot normally at 6 but if the vehicle moves 12 may only snap fire.

Also excited about artillery being turned into two wounds at T7. Been wanting a thunderfire for awhile, now I can justify it.

Mohoc wrote:Rattman,

Can you tell us if troops in transports can snapfire if their transport is being assaulted?

Oh hey I know this one, they can Overwatch if the vehicle is attacked in CC.

The photographed page where the new weapon stats were shown ends talking about power klaws, and makes them sound different than fists. Clarification there?

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:The photographed page where the new weapon stats were shown ends talking about power klaws, and makes them sound different than fists. Clarification there?

Absolutely. And I would like to know if they finally gave an AP value to the deff rolla. It seems to me that being run over by a spiked metal cylinder being pushed in front of a tank shouldn't allow every armor save in the game.

Just throwing it out there: perhaps someone should compile the rules into some sort of structured summary instead of massive spoiler lists on who said what.

Then we can focus on knocking out redundancy and getting confirmation on contentious rules etc.

rattman wrote:
jcd386 wrote:
Rattman, can you answer by question about fast vehicles having any effect on people charging out of them?

i.e., can you move 12 with a fast vehicle, move the guys out 6, and still shoot and assault?


from the looks no, you can move 6' and disembark, shoot charge, but you cannot disembark if it moves 12'


interesting, so fast is only a buff to the shooting aspect of vehicles? weird...

If this is true than ork trucks just became useless.

Maige wrote:Just throwing it out there: perhaps someone should compile the rules into some sort of structured summary instead of massive spoiler lists on who said what.

Then we can focus on knocking out redundancy and getting confirmation on contentious rules etc.

The problem with that, especially now that some have the book, is that it starts to tread into "copying the rule book" territory. I suspect.

Leth wrote:... excited about artillery being turned into two wounds at T7. Been wanting a thunderfire for awhile, now I can justify it.

Had not heard that one yet. Just finished building two and was going to paint them and well...just sit them on the shelf looking cool, but now... So will it be two wounds on the cannon then the Techmarine is IC? 3 wounds for the unit? With bolstered defenses, could be survivable and 4 shots, a couple of glances on vehicle targets, two TFCs at 60" range in the scenario where you play the long way, well it is worth a try.

haha I have no clue how quotes work...
for serious though. The idea of taking a trukk makes me sick to my stomach.

Suggestion to reduce the amount of reading here. Can we PM the questions to Rattman and then he posts the answers in batches?

Teeef wrote:

Leth wrote:... excited about artillery being turned into two wounds at T7. Been wanting a thunderfire for awhile, now I can justify it.

Had not heard that one yet. Just finished building two and was going to paint them and well...just sit them on the shelf looking cool, but now... So will it be two wounds on the cannon then the Techmarine is IC? 3 wounds for the unit? With bolstered defenses, could be survivable and 4 shots, a couple of glances on vehicle targets, two TFCs at 60" range in the scenario where you play the long way, well it is worth a try.

Yep I remember reading that in the other thread at one point, if the crew is killed it ceases to function. However that will not occur if you just make the thunderfire the closer target. Also be interesting to see how majority toughness works. I heard someone say that techmarines(and other people with repair) can restore hull points. Can anyone with a book confirm these things for me? Dont want to get too many peoples hopes up.

rothrich wrote:haha I have no clue how quotes work...
for serious though. The idea of taking a trukk makes me sick to my stomach.

What am I missing here? Can't you drive 6", pile out 6" and then charge 2D6", for an average threat range of 19"?

Well, for the most part, I'm impressed and eager to dig into the book (and a game!). Disappointed though, that I can't ally my tyranids even with other tyranids. I can imagine a lot of 3 HQ-4 Heavy armies being played now, and suspect I may be at a bit of a disadvantage.

Nightbringer's Chosen wrote:
The problem with that, especially now that some have the book, is that it starts to tread into "copying the rule book" territory. I suspect.

Hmmm where do we draw the line though? Is what we're doing now any better? I mean we already have actual page scans and badly organized direct quotes.

I don't see the harm in having a basic paraphrased summary, which would basically just clear up everything so far.

But I suppose it's for a mod to decide.

Jefffar wrote:Suggestion to reduce the amount of reading here. Can we PM the questions to Rattman and then he posts the answers in batches?

Or just use the 'Filter Thread' button. That will cut out every post other than Rattman's.