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The Great Satan (East Coast)

No really this time. After my abortive attempt at building a Warlord Titan; a project I had to put on back burner until better dimensions are forthcoming. I have decided to resurrect the Thunderhawk project that has been lying fallow for the past few years.

My son was actually the original builder of this model and managed an excellent start but educational considerations have precluded his continuation of this pursuit.

Since a majority of the basic structure is complete It will be a simple matter of just adding styrene sheathing and gobs of detail. Rest assured I shall make even this harder than it needs be.

Enough talk; here is the basic hull form:
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The basic hull is made of 1/2" and 1/4" foam filled posterboard

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The front hatch will be operable in the finished model

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I'll have to do something about the wavy skin before the sheathing is applied

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The bottom view is rather plain at the moment


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The main lifting surface is a single sheet of 1/2" foam board with added tip caps. I forget the reason for that other than there might not have been sufficient material to make it all one piece.

It is a tight fit into the hull slots and the model is taking shape already.

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I hesitate to call these appendages wings as there is no air foil and the whole vehicle has the aerodynamics of a misshapen concrete block. It was not my first choice for a large winged vehicle the Marauder being more to my aesthetic tastes but there are too many unfinished projects lying about and this one annoyed me because of the nearness of completion.

Next up are the vestigial canard surfaces and the tail structures. These are straight forward 1/4 foam poster board and again fitted into slots in the hull:

One question begs answering; (Cripes BA are you too lazy to look this up on the 'Net?) Is this thing supposed to be able to carry a Rhino in the forward cargo hold? If so it is grossly undersized.
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Whoops, horizontal stablizer on backwards

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looking good. what are you using as the core

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The primary hull is a sort of box beam composed of 1/4 inch foam filled poster board; very strong and light weight. The superstructure is layered sheets of 1/2 inch poster board with the foam edges covered with poster paper.

The whole will be covered with 0.5 mm sheet styrene secured with Locktite 7 minute epoxy to provide a base for attaching the detail.

This method was highly successful in building my Warhound:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/226296.page

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Grimsby

Looking great so far! Have you planned what you're going to use for the guns yet?

FYI - A Thunderhawk has a transport capacity of 30. I think they're meant to carry Land Speeders as well but can't find the rules for it, and the White Scars use modified ones to carry bikes - it's only the Transport version that can carry tanks iirc.

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It carries the tanks in the bit behind the forward bit. In like a cradle.

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Thanks for the replies. No sorry to say the Dave Smith BOLS Warlord Titan isn't mine but I will make one for myself, (Er my son, yeah that's the ticket, heh heh.) It's just that the moving to new digs and the proportion issues have made me put that behemoth aside for the nonce. This Thunderhawk is already built except for the detailing bit which is the fun part. Once I get my workshop space set up I'll start on the Warlord as well.

There appears to be many Land Raider parts incorporated in this model, mebe even the front loading bridge hatch although it looks too small. I'll just buy a used Land Raider and cannibalize it. As for the Volcano cannon I'll scratch build that to save weight. Here's a question: The Shadowsword can't move when firing its Volcano cannon. How does that work with a flying vehicle?

Okay, what are these parts with appear to be flight surfaces but are hinged like the surfaces on an X Wing Fighter? So the Thunderhawk is a Biplane?

The image directly below appears to be slightly elongated (Note the distance between the engine cowl and the rear of the cargo hold angle.) compared to other profile images I have,(see bottom image.) which is correct? That extra inch or so in the mid-section enhances the overall sleekness of the model if such an ungainly thing could be considered sleek.

Note how the superstructure begins at the termination point of the cargo hold angle in the top image but overlaps in the bottom image.
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Sure looks as though a Rhino should fit into the cargo hold,

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Note how the superstructure begins at the termination point of the cargo hold angle in the top image but overlaps in this the bottom image.

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Grimsby

Lorna wrote:It carries the tanks in the bit behind the forward bit. In like a cradle.

No that's the Thunderhawk Transport, a different aircraft which shares the same basic chasis

The_Blackadder wrote: The Shadowsword can't move when firing its Volcano cannon. How does that work with a flying vehicle?

Flyers count as stationary for the purposes of shooting - the rules for flyers should be in all the IA books and the main Apoc book, they're quite funky!

The_Blackadder wrote:Okay, what are these parts with appear to be flight surfaces but are hinged like the surfaces on an X Wing Fighter? So the Thunderhawk is a Biplane?

I think they are meant to have something to do with the VTOL ability

The_Blackadder wrote:The image directly below appears to be slightly elongated (Note the distance between the engine cowl and the rear of the cargo hold angle.) compared to other profile images I have,(see bottom image.) which is correct? That extra inch or so in the mid-section enhances the overall sleekness of the model if such an ungainly thing could be considered sleek.

Note how the superstructure begins at the termination point of the cargo hold angle in the top image but overlaps in the bottom image.

Could be the difference between the 28mm model and the Aeronautica or Epic model - iirc they are slightly different to each other and there have been a few different scales including the infamous limited edition Pewter Thunderhawks which were quite stubby.

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Thanks for the clarification although rules are far too complex for my taste; I just like buildin' 'em. My son plays the battles. I just want to make it as accurate as possible.

Anyone for a simple game of chess?

BTW I like the transport which appears to have two versions as well:
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looking good blackadder, keep it up.

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The_Blackadder wrote: Anyone for a simple game of chess?


I'll take you up on that! Not too sure how kids don't understand what chess even is yet most of the kids at my local GW are walking codexes O.o

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looking great, I love the detailing on the hinged wings.

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

The hinged wing (for lack of a better term) detail is the last work my son did on the model. Unfortunately while he did sheath the edges of the foam board, he did not adhere styrene to the upper and lower surfaces so that detail will have to be removed, the flat surfaces covered with styrene and them new oversized pieces re-applied.

The reason I say oversized is that it's virtually impossible to make that absolutely perfect cut to fit part with styrene or any other material (at least for me) so what I do is glue an oversized piece to the basic structure and then dress the edges with a fine 'single cut' file. I have quite a few files of that type but my favorite is a 'Nicholson' 8" file. The link below is only for example and you can get a similar file locally at any good hardware store.

http://www.shopping.com/Nicholson-06601-8-203MM-CARDED-NICHOLSON-HANDY-FILE/info?nc=1

I've had mine for decades and I inherited it from my father so it's a worthwhile investment. Remember, "There is no such thing as a good 'cheap' file."

That is the secret of getting a reasonably perfect joint edge. Polystyrene lends itself to filing readily and the amount of time trimming the edge to size is usually less that attempting to make the piece to the exact fit in one go. I used this technique on my Warhound and the question I was asked repeatedly was how I got my cuts so straight.

Another problem novice hobbyists have is using the wrong knife. Exacto style blades have their uses but making clean straight cuts isn't one of them. The blades are too small and pointed to apply the needed pressure and maintain the control to make that perfect cut. I use a rectactable blade 'Utility' knife of the General or Stanley manufacture. The kind you would use for sheetrock installation. The handle has the size and heft for good control and the blade is strong and sharp enough to make a good deep straight cut. Don't try to make the cut in one pass even on thin styrene. score the line first and then use the furrow to make the final deep cuts. then you can snap the cut and dress it with your file usually after gluing it in place.

Also never use a dull blade. A dull knife is more dangerous than a sharp one.

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Now for the real meat of this post.

My contribution to this project thus far was the engines.

First I carved and belt sanded PVC tubing material to make the engine cowls. Here they are in their crude state; final dressing with fine 'Wet or Dry' sandpaper is still to be accomplished.

Note that I made an inner and outer sleeve, splitting and removing the excess circumference from the inner sleeve to make an exact fit to the outer sleeve.
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Nice, the rounded pvc looks difficult.

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Haonn wrote:Nice, the rounded pvc looks difficult.


Not difficult but it takes a bit of practice and it would be tedious to try to form them without power tools ( I actually use a Dremel drum rasp and sanding drum for the inner contours which I forgot to mention.) Slipping the outer cowl blank piece onto a split piece of tube stock (to save your fingers) and keeping the part rotation while sanding to avoid flat spots is the key; each piece requires only a few minutes. Once you have the first one done satisfactorily just constantly check the next piece against it so they reasonably match.

Watch your fingers when using a stationary (Table top) belt sander.
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The next pieces to manufacture are the crenelated outer cowl sleeves. I need these sleeves to hold the main body of the engine together and the simplest (and cheapest) seems to be making them out of old reliable PVC tubing. Below are the rough cut crenelations of the first sleeves and the marked tubing of the basic material for the second.

Note that the inner diameter needs to be cut out so the cowl will fit snugly into the sleeve to the proper depth.
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Interesting work so far! Looking forward to following this.

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It could help your design a little with the detail but have you looked into getting some really cheap fighter jets or airplanes models from your nearest toy store or model shop, it should give you something at least to work off of and adds some details as well...

Just a thought but I'm liking the work so far...

 
   
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

If you have seen my Warhound you know that I prefer to manufacture all the parts as much as possible even when I could substitute GW or FW bitz. In my opinion parts from other than GW/FW kits stand out like sore thumbs when incorporated into scratch projects but thanks for the suggestion.

The main body of the engine is made of PVC tubing split and cut down to allow for the thickness of the wing. the crenelated sleeve secures the forward end and the rear is held together with a little item called a thread cone. I found these thread cones discarded by industrial tailors years ago and have dozens. I always thought they would come in handy for something. The strangely rough texture works very well with the exhaust cone look.
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I don't know who this artist is but I want to have his baby (Well build his baby anyway.) He has actually made a Thunderhawk look not only attractive but downright viable.

Below are 3D renderings from this artist which while not 100% FW exact are a tremendous improvement on the original and will be my guide from now on.
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Below are the engines mounted but not glued onto the wings.

So far it's satisfactory:
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BTW note that I dumped the crenelated sleeves, too crude.

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Oh nice, another awesome Blackadder project!... I'm hoping to end up with free time this summer, maybe watching this will help me!

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Welcome Jabba glad to see you here. You know I've looked at your 'Started' threads and you haven't posted a new topic for quite some time; what are you up to lately? I feel awkward not responding in kind but all your older threads exceed the three month prohibition for replies. How's that Reaver coming along? It would be nice to see your take on the build.

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I'm always interested in scratch building projects like this and this one looks like it's coming along rather well. I'll keep an eye on this and look forward to more progress.

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Since I've decided to follow the 3D rendering rather than the FW model there are certain changes to the empennage that are required. By modifying that bit I am beginning the first styrene structure on the model. Perhaps it was a mistake to make the core of the hull from poster board as top heaviness is not a consideration as was in the Warhound and it is a pain in the arse to sheath the slab sides of the hull with 0.5 MM styrene. If I had it to do over I would opt for styrene over styrene frame.
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The following is an exchange I had with Lynks on another forum. It pays to shop around

lynks wrote:
The reason the one i linked is made entirely out of GW plastic kits is that a GW store made it and it was a challenge to see if it was possible.
You seem to have gotten most of the shape right, however I think that the front lower section needs to be longer. As for the wings they seem to be working fine at the moment, the Thunderhawk itself does have some pretty thick wings


Thanks for the heads up. The problem is the forward cargo bay is too high or deep at any rate it look about a half to an inch should be removed from the bottom. I made a bad assumption that the plans my son worked from were scale without checking. Now that the hull is partially sheathed the discrepancy is more noticeable. By superimposing my model profile onto the three profile images I have
I see where the discrepancy lies. I am efforting to remedy this as we speak and I am in your debt.





Which all goes to prove one shouldn't make assumptions.

The red faced Blackadder


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Going really well dude, keep it up!
Not sure if you have seen this, but I've been following this thread for a while and thought of it when I saw yours. Might help with plans and or inspiration.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/360367.page

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