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What's with the ridiculous cost on Blood Knights? $100 for 5 models? That's ridiculous, especially considering 5 Chaos Knights are only $30...anyone have any explanation for this at all? How are they special compared to regular cavalry models? It shouldn't be more expensive to make them, should it?

The price tag is exactly why I don't have any of the models. I am not paying $100 for 5 models. I have never even seen anyone using the models because of the price (though some one must be buying them!!). I proxy the blood knights with some of my black knights.

BTW... Those Chaos knights are friggin awesome and the price tag is great! I wish they would do the same for the blood knights and I would buy some.

A friend of mine was after some blood knights and was recomended to buy the HE Dragon Princes and convert them a little.

To be honest just a dark paint scheme makes them look like Vampires but adding a spare part or 2 from VC kits can really make them look quite snappy and if you are any good with green stuff you can do wonders with them.

So nobody has any clue as to why GW thinks they can sell 5 models for $100?

GW aren't the only company doing it unfortunately. Have a look at:
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/trollbloods/units/long-riders-unit
(You need two more to get up to the full five, bringing the cost up to ~$100)
or
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/raptors-unit
(full unit, $80)

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cygnar/units/storm-lance-cavalry-unit
(Full unit $100)
http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/khador/units/iron-fang-uhlan-unit
(Full unit, $100)

Privateer are just as expensive, and without the delcious cheapness of the likes of chaos knights, orc boar boyz and cold one knights. All metal cavarly costs a lot because of the amount of metal in it. (I think both companies are overcharging a bit).
I have some Long Riders because they were bought for me as a gift.

Here's a couple of cheaper alternatives though, if you like:
http://gamezoneminiatures.de/sidebar/ritter-der-verdammten-i.html
http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Undead/Elite-Units/Product/Undead-Vampire-Lord-and-Soul-Reaver-Knights.html

<offensive remark redacted --Janthkin> That doesn't give me a good reason to do it...

Just cause someone else is doing it, doesn't make it ok to do something...

Anyone have a real, feasible reason as to why GW is marketing this at such a ridiculous price? Perhaps someone who has ties to the company maybe? XD

He told you why, they contain a heck of a lot of metal, it's "competitive" with other companies, and players will generally only ever buy the one box. It's stupid to those of us with bills to pay, but apparently somebody buys them because 100+ for a unit of 5 or 10 models is pretty common in big-name mini games these days. FoW tank platoons can reach similar prices, and they're resin.

Except it now contains no metal whatsoever, and instead contains plastic resin which is cheaper and lighter so cheaper to ship, although a lot of shipping is by volume.

Portaljacker wrote:Except it now contains no metal whatsoever, and instead contains plastic resin which is cheaper and lighter so cheaper to ship, although a lot of shipping is by volume.

That comes down to being Finecast, which is more expensive across the entire GW range of models. They're not going to exempt one box, even if it was already overpriced.

Personally, I do love the models, and I'd buy them if they were a bit cheaper. They're $165au now, if they were even $100au I'd consider it. But since my army is Lahmian, I'm now going to make my own using female vampires.

UberhaX: I know the price is stupidly high, but apparently that is what the market (or sections of it) will pay. While that might seem like a frustrating answer, it's the troof.

UberhAxTHC wrote:So nobody has any clue as to why GW thinks they can sell 5 models for $100?

So you want an answer that makes sense?
Or you want GW answers?


My answer: because they can

GW answer: because metal costs more. they are high in point cost. they arnt core troops so less people buy = less sold = higher price to make back the profit

LunaHound wrote:

GW answer: because metal costs more. they are high in point cost. they arnt core troops so less people buy = less sold = higher price to make back the profit

I hate to labour the point but it bears repeating - the Blood Knights are no longer metal so that argument no longer holds water. I suspect the real answer lies somewhere in between the twin arguments of what the market will bear and the unit cost. Similar to the Greatswords, GW made an active decision to price certain units depending on their worth to an army/player.

But thats the exact answer they gave when it first came out lol

the Blood Knights were insanely detailed when they were first released.

they were also the only cavelry unit box that GW sold in metal(AFAIK)


a single blood knight in a blister would probably be around $20. a box of 5 for $90(at the time) made a little sense.




they just took the previous price and gave it the normal price hike.


and FYI, the Price Hike we experienced just happened to coencide with Finecasts release. GW always hikes prices in June. they just made the mistake of releasing Finecast at the same time. the price increase had nothing to do with finecast.



if you want cheaper bloodknights, convert some chaos knights.

Mantic games has vampire heavy cav coming out soon.
<redacted; please refrain from using obscenities - try "I am not interested in GW's models, because they are overpriced." --Janthkin>

-Matt

Gamezone has excellent heavy armour Vampire cavalry. But they are delicate sculpts, that might break at the base if handled uncarefully.

As Da Boss posted, metal cavalry are generally very expensvie... Blood knights were almost the cost they are now when they were metal.

Resin models also cost an arm and a leg... so it's not all that surprising that they cost $100 now.

Doesn't make it reasonable but it's nothing new to the world of miniatures... if anything, it's the norm.

Chaos knights ARE a great deal! But the old metal ones were $50 for models that weren't nearly as good looking. Then they went plastic, and got better AND cheaper

filbert wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

GW answer: because metal costs more. they are high in point cost. they arnt core troops so less people buy = less sold = higher price to make back the profit

I hate to labour the point but it bears repeating - the Blood Knights are no longer metal so that argument no longer holds water. I suspect the real answer lies somewhere in between the twin arguments of what the market will bear and the unit cost. Similar to the Greatswords, GW made an active decision to price certain units depending on their worth to an army/player.

All Finecast are more expensive than their original metals. Again - this applies to the whole range. So singling out Blood Knights for it is a bit dumb. They're on the extreme end, but they were always there. GW aren't going to exempt Blood Knights from the price increase just because they were already the most expensive unit they sell. Finecast added to the price, it adds to the price of any miniature entering the range.

Have you seen the models? They are some of the best models GW has ever produced. Each one is forgeworld quaility and can compete with the green knight for pure detail. Plus they kick major A*s in the game

Not disputing the quality of the sculpts - they're fantastic. However, that still doesn't justify them costing about the same as a battalion box for 5 models.

Like I said, I would buy them if they were just a bit less expensive. Currently they do surpass Forgeworld models on cost per model by a long way, and Forgeworld is meant to be the expensive alternative.

UNREALPwnage wrote:Plus they kick major A*s in the game

This shouldn´t be a deciding factor for the monetary cost of the unit, though.
I´m fully aware that GW likes to add in a "popularity tax" on some models allready, but if people begin to justify the prices with the effectiveness it leads to even more powercreep (more powerful units = more potential for the "popularity tax").

I can only recommend the Gamezone Knights, though. Nice sculpts, even if slightly thin and maybe too detailed for their own good. Every VC player I know uses these guys instead of the GW ones.

except thats a major factor in GWs pricing.


how awsome the unit is/looks on the tabletop.



Core/Troops choices tend to be around 25-35 for boxs of 10-16 models.

Elites/Rares and Specials tend to be 40-50 for boxs of 5-10 models(or a single monster)


HQs/lords tend to be 20-30 depending on the models size.

heros/non named HQs and lords tend to be 12-20