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2016/11/30 19:12:21
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
JohnHwangDD wrote: My guess:
* Wave 1 will slip into Q3, possibly early Q4.
* Wave 2 might be "on time", and
* Wave 3 should be slightly early.
* Wave 4 should be early
Wave 1 can start additional tooling on Jan 15, but quantity won't be known until mid-March, when Surveys and PM close. That just isn't enough time to get *HUGE* production volumes finalized and popped and boxed and shipped. So I feel like Wave 1 will delay by at least 3 months. Iif the rules aren't already "done", that's going to be even later.
Wave 2+ where Adam has time to get control of things, but it's hard to say for sure.
He has said that they are already in production for the main game I whoud not count on 4 being early I am getting the feeling that will be for the "OMG I need to add stuff to justify how much I am making"
2000 6000 with Reaver Titan guard 2k
2500 (imperial force)
2500 (trimming down in 8th)
TS 30k at 5k points
Yes I have a problem
2016/11/30 19:14:13
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Pacific wrote: Reading the KS page it sounds like the core box would potentially be part of that Summer 2017 wave.
But, no doubt that statement was made before the game jumped to $5 million. God knows what the final figure will be!
The KS is already at 5000+ of the core box game, that's going to take some serious production capability especially considering how much is in it.
The popularity of this KS is starting to hit news streams outside of wargaming now as well I've noticed
The previous estimates were tied to a $2M total. This is currently at $5.9M, with a minimum day of only $300k. Assuming the mid-campaign drop is offset by a final surge, the campaign will add $11.4M, for a final total of $17.3M. That's insane.
Adam produced 10,000 copies of the original core game, and will likely need to produce something similar just to meet backer demand, to say nothing of what he might stock for future sales.
KD:M hitting larger news is what keeps pushing the numbers up. 12,600 backers and likely to finish with closer to 20,000 backers.
Let's say that the worst case, it merely doubles the current total, and comes in at $11.9M That's still a ridiculous amount of stuff to process. No question Adam will need to do this in waves.
zedmeister wrote: If those figures come to pass, can you imagine the last few days? It'll be mental and goodness knows what he'd be able to unlock...
I'm not sure how much more will actually be getting unlocked over what's already been unlocked (and not shown) and what was planned to be in this campaign.
I don't think Adam wants 'Wave 4' to be a big deal, or even ship that far out...
2016/11/30 19:44:12
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
And that's where it gets dangerous... You dont want Adam brain storming new things to just fill extra stretch goals, thats how you get a 2025 delivery date.
2016/11/30 19:54:35
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
zedmeister wrote: If those figures come to pass, can you imagine the last few days? It'll be mental and goodness knows what he'd be able to unlock...
I'm not sure how much more will actually be getting unlocked over what's already been unlocked (and not shown) and what was planned to be in this campaign.
I don't think Adam wants 'Wave 4' to be a big deal, or even ship that far out...
I think Wave 4 is pretty much going to be "All stuff we planned to do another KS for later, but don't need to now."
2016/11/30 19:55:12
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Fooey, a Black Friday lantern opened up, but was gone by the time I could pledge :( I think I may wait till later to pledge, just in case they add any other special pledges for xmas or New Years. $250 is a lot, but I always regretted missing the first edition.
So it's got 17 sprues .. how many minis is that in total? I think I counted 39? Is that like tons of different characters, or in the game do you just have those 4 survivors, and there's a whole bunch of different versions of them with different gear, so you change to the next model as they get tougher?
2016/11/30 20:17:19
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Chopxsticks wrote: And that's where it gets dangerous... You dont want Adam brain storming new things to just fill extra stretch goals, thats how you get a 2025 delivery date.
Which is why I for one am glad he decided to slow roll the stretch goal reveals. I love the game, but 2020 is plenty far out for me. Just take the money, and release the new stuff he plans next in the store.
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Necros wrote: Fooey, a Black Friday lantern opened up, but was gone by the time I could pledge :( I think I may wait till later to pledge, just in case they add any other special pledges for xmas or New Years. $250 is a lot, but I always regretted missing the first edition.
So it's got 17 sprues .. how many minis is that in total? I think I counted 39? Is that like tons of different characters, or in the game do you just have those 4 survivors, and there's a whole bunch of different versions of them with different gear, so you change to the next model as they get tougher?
Pretty sure 39 is right. You'll only ever need 4 on the board at any one time unless you play with extra people. To be honest they're essentially glorified tokens- you can build them however you like with whatever gear. It's generally irrelevant to the game. Only what you count as being on your gear grid and altered stats matter. I should note you do have a "population" of survivors instead of just your hunters, but for the most part only their gear matters.
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zedmeister wrote: Indeed. Didn't he talk about an idea for a game called Kindgom Death: Hero or similar? Where you play out the game hunters and the like...
Hero was the working/fan-assigned name for the character focused game where you play Twilight Knights, White Speakers, and other people of relative power (compared to the survivors of KDM). The more formal name for it is now KD: Labyrinth.
2016/11/30 21:19:59
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
[quote=Alendrel 503919 9050304 nullHero was the working/fan-assigned name for the character focused game where you play Twilight Knights, White Speakers, and other people of relative power (compared to the survivors of KDM). The more formal name for it is now KD: Labyrinth.
You're sure it isn't KD: Quest?
I wonder if First Hero expansion is a step in that direction?
Also, no Wave 4s. The cheque for my Lantern Festival says it's a really back idea for Adam to Just-Make-gak-Up(R).
Iain.
2016/11/30 21:42:23
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Yes, at one point he did say Hero = Labyrinth. Quest is a separate game idea, for something FLGS friendly.
As for Wave 4: Adam is making everything up. The reason wave 4 exists is so that anything that gets added beyond the original scope of this KS's stretch goals will have its own dev cycle beyond the ones for the Gambler's Chest and slated for the KS expansions.
2016/11/30 21:48:23
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Chopxsticks wrote: And that's where it gets dangerous... You dont want Adam brain storming new things to just fill extra stretch goals, thats how you get a 2025 delivery date.
This is one of the reasons I like that he's not revealing all unlocked items just because the target number was hit. if everything was revealed and the pledges kept coming in, the pressure to add more would probably be too great to resist.
2016/11/30 22:38:22
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: On the subject of getting only the pinups I asked Adam and got a really fast response (must have hit the top of his inbox just right
Me
I'm passing on a question from several people from a couple of forums i'm on
Can they pledge for just pinups without picking any of the upgrade or game levels?
Kingdom Death
I’ll make an options only pledge level later in the campaign. For now they are welcome to pledge $1 and join the fray!!
Hopefully this will be better thought out than the add on pledge for the first campaign. I'm going to assume it's safer to piggyback onto another's pledge for now.
BobtheInquisitor wrote: I'm going to assume it's safer to piggyback onto another's pledge for now.
The risk of that is in how long it will take for Poots to fulfill this kickstarter. People move, forget, change lifestyles, etc., etc.
Poots should have had a pinup only pledge option from the start, but suggesting a $1 pledge as a holding place until he gets one set up is adequate as long as he doesn't take forever to get it set up.
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2016/12/01 00:48:16
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
fyi, Mythic Battles Pantheon has some sculpts that can be used in KD:M as alternate sculpts for the other levels of monsters. Haven't looked closely at the Gods to see if they could be used for monsters as well.
Pacific wrote: Reading the KS page it sounds like the core box would potentially be part of that Summer 2017 wave.
But, no doubt that statement was made before the game jumped to $5 million. God knows what the final figure will be!
The KS is already at 5000+ of the core box game, that's going to take some serious production capability especially considering how much is in it.
The popularity of this KS is starting to hit news streams outside of wargaming now as well I've noticed
The previous estimates were tied to a $2M total. This is currently at $5.9M, with a minimum day of only $300k. Assuming the mid-campaign drop is offset by a final surge, the campaign will add $11.4M, for a final total of $17.3M. That's insane.
Adam produced 10,000 copies of the original core game, and will likely need to produce something similar just to meet backer demand, to say nothing of what he might stock for future sales.
KD:M hitting larger news is what keeps pushing the numbers up. 12,600 backers and likely to finish with closer to 20,000 backers.
Adam has stated several times in the comments that the core game is already in production so there's no real risk in those buying the core game getting it late.
2016/12/01 01:31:41
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Seeing something like that has me inspired to start wanting to pit fight the monsters against each other!
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2016/12/01 07:41:47
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
OVER $6 MILLION - WE HAVE SURPASSED THE SURPASSED SURPASSED FORM!
HOWEVER, THIS IS STILL NOT ENOUGH TO DEFEAT DESTINY!
https://ksr-video.imgix.net/assets/014/729/151/bdfe220de35ceceda18ebff8a311ab98_h264_high.mp4 Last night, I issued a challenge to TwitchGameNight. They fought bravely, even bringing in two KD designers to their aid for a second attempt vs a level 3 Phoenix. It was amazing! Everything had a tremendous amount of fun, truly another part of this campaigns legend! Thank you guys so much for being an awesome, fantastic and wonderful part of our community. You risked it all! And lost with magnificence! I am so impressed!
Now I honor the defeat in the best Kingdom Death way possible. Today there will be no changelog reveals and no Gambler's Chest Roll!!!!!
But... we still have a pretty neat expansion to share...
I PROUDLY PRESENT THE SCREAMING GOD!!!
A Lantern year 20 Monster, with a whole slew of cool things, read below! I forgot to mention in the big image that this has a few cards for the First Hero Expansion. This lets you use the First Hero Expansion to jump right to year 20 (if you beat the hero of course!) and get Hunting the Screaming God right away!
2016/12/01 14:36:11
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
Before anyone panics about "losing" rewards, Poots has already mentioned everything will be revealed in it before the end of the campaign. My personal conjecture is that he'll have to roll twice or something before he'll reveal those spaces.
Personally I really like that, I was going to put all the normal kits together as complete sets anyway... this just makes the models look better. Does anyone really customise survivors from different armour parts? Wouldn't that be a problem in future campaigns? Or are you crazy enough to magnetise them all?
2016/12/01 15:48:58
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread - Kickstarter 1.5 Live!
2000 
6000 with Reaver Titan 
guard 2k
2500 (imperial force)
2500 (trimming down in 8th)
-- $k 
-- 9k 
-- 6k 
-- 4k 
-- 
I love the game, but 2020 is plenty far out for me. Just take the money, and release the new stuff he plans next in the store.
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