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Develop a quick start ruleset around the concept of a civil war, no new models needed. File off the eagle on the chest plate for one side and you're good to go.

Look what the game 'Space Marine' turned into.

when is the hanomag apc coming on retail? At the very least a rough guestimate?

Well i am a collector foremost. But i understand the wargamers wanting complete factions to battle against. But how about releasing factions in rules before the mini's are developed? people could proxy the figures and test the rules.

Joining forces with another company would be cool, for example Warlord, thy don't have an SF miniature game in their assortment as far as i know.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
Develop a quick start ruleset around the concept of a civil war, no new models needed. File off the eagle on the chest plate for one side and you're good to go.

Look what the game 'Space Marine' turned into.

No need to develop a civil war. The Iron Core universe has Family Houses with their own armies in the Eisenkern dominion. They squabble about resources amongst themselves and with the Eisenkern "national" troops already. Think "Middle-Ages Germany" fiefdoms.

Or the Great Houses in the Landsraad in Dune.

I think that at a minimum all you need is infantry +vehicle OR walker.

The shadowkesh seem like prime counts as Tau. You need basic troops and some sort of battle suit/walker thing. That is it. Most everything else can come along slowly. You know that with the right aesthetic choices, you could sell a ton of cool alien armored suits fit to handle any...crisis.

Hmm. I would've pictured the Shadowkesh as a counts-as Dark Eldar, what with their chained up feral guys.

I'd still like to see some more artwork of the other two human factions.

 Barzam wrote:
Hmm. I would've pictured the Shadowkesh as a counts-as Dark Eldar, what with their chained up feral guys.

I'd still like to see some more artwork of the other two human factions.

Protectorate looked promising

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well i am a collector foremost. But i understand the wargamers wanting complete factions to battle against. But how about releasing factions in rules before the mini's are developed? people could proxy the figures and test the rules.

Joining forces with another company would be cool, for example Warlord, thy don't have an SF miniature game in their assortment as far as i know.

They're doing Gates of Antares. Remember that one?

 Azazelx wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Well i am a collector foremost. But i understand the wargamers wanting complete factions to battle against. But how about releasing factions in rules before the mini's are developed? people could proxy the figures and test the rules.

Joining forces with another company would be cool, for example Warlord, thy don't have an SF miniature game in their assortment as far as i know.

They're doing Gates of Antares. Remember that one?

Restic games are not stored in my brainz

Warlord also sells Judge Dredd.

Shadokesh are going to be next, from every indication.

We just don't know when that will be...

I'd rather it be the Shadokesh, after thinking more and more about it. I have a hankering for that mix of fleshy units, armoured units, robes, and giant space robotz.

New update: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m/posts/917417
Shots of support Valkir and production process graphic / estimates.

I like the progress chart. Helps to know exactly what remains to be done.

The Heavy Valkir look spiffy, weapons look familiar









Valkir with Stahl helm look surprisingly cool.

If you look at the description, under instruction, it mentions "last minuet changes." Not my style of dancing but ok, I guess?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If you look at the description, under instruction, it mentions "last minuet changes." Not my style of dancing but ok, I guess?

Damn you eyes and damn you spell checker

That chart, and plan to update as each kit hits a new phase, as well as the "on the water" end of September goal, are all greatly appreciated!

In regards to the last conversation about factions and releases. I have been reading all the comments and thinking about this the last couple of days. I am of the opinion that the Shadokesh need a full launch, so we do not end up with a Swiss cheese unit list.

From there on out, I think switching up the factions and releasing smaller sections, would be a good idea.
I want to give you a complete game, something to gain a foothold and traction not only with the customers but with the hesitant retailers. It also helps to market at conventions if the offering are impressive to the eyes. Nothing says bad ass like a full table packed with terrain, vehicles and infantry.

Sounds good to me and great reasoning - I'm looking forward to my own table packed full of Eisenkern and Shadokesh! Also converted teams of Eisenkern and Shadokesh dreadball players ; p

I love the hell out of that ... Anti Air? support Valkir variant with the guns on each arm. Looks even more awesome than the rest of them.

Update #134

Jul 17 2014
Valkir Support Troopers and estimated delivery for stage 3
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I have some shots of the assembled Support Troopers to share and a delivery estimator that may help resolve questions of where we are with each kit. As we complete each major phase I will post an update to reflect these changes.

As it stands now I hope to ship stage 3 from China to HK and its final sea voyage by the end of September.

Great! I enjoy the direction that this is all going. Missed the first KS, but if you do a second sometime next year once all the backers from the first one have their stuff then I will back that for sure. Also I agree, your reasoning is well laid out and makes a lot of sense.

NoseGoblin, will the "knight;y" Valkir heads fit on the regular stormtroopers? Also, will there be enough fully-helmeted heads for all the Black Widows and all members of the command kit?

I love these sculpts. I'm really glad they all look like they are firing their weapons, and not perry-marching. Please, please make the sniper firing his or her rifle rather than posing next to it like the Bones Imef Sniper or Akosha from Sedition Wars. One weapon-stroker is enough for any range of minis. Thanks!


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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If you look at the description, under instruction, it mentions "last minuet changes." Not my style of dancing but ok, I guess?

Maybe he still hasn't forgiven the Bynars for the last changes they inflicted on Riker's favorite sultry hologram.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
NoseGoblin, will the "knight;y" Valkir heads fit on the regular stormtroopers? Also, will there be enough fully-helmeted heads for all the Black Widows and all members of the command kit?

I love these sculpts. I'm really glad they all look like they are firing their weapons, and not perry-marching. Please, please make the sniper firing his or her rifle rather than posing next to it like the Bones Imef Sniper or . One weapon-stroker is enough for any range of minis. Thanks!


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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
If you look at the description, under instruction, it mentions "last minuet changes." Not my style of dancing but ok, I guess?

Maybe he still hasn't forgiven the Bynars for the last changes they inflicted on Riker's favorite sultry hologram.

I think the heads are a tad too large, they will fit but they are not scaled for the Stormtroopers.

Sniper comes firing or at ease...
http://dreamforge-games.com/blogs/news/13317989-preview-of-the-eisenkern-command-squad

Variety spice of life.

Yeah, those are both better than showing up in the middle of the warzone holding your gun by its barrel.


Or J-Pop dance-fighting.


And the Black Widows have a full set of enclosed helmets?

Yep, sorry missed answering that... Yes, they will have enough full helmets and face makes for the squad.

The will also come with the non helmet heads and possibly, if there is room on the sprue, the helmeted without facemasks.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Yep, sorry missed answering that... Yes, they will have enough full helmets and face makes for the squad.

The will also come with the non helmet heads and possibly, if there is room on the sprue, the helmeted without facemasks.

Thank you. Now I can start making plans...

It's a shame we can't add more to our pledges, but I'll certainly be buying at retail.

Hmmm MULE as a mobile but stable sniper platform, wheeled around by his spotter... ; p

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I like the progress chart. Helps to know exactly what remains to be done.

I am a big fan of these. Not so much that the news always seems to be bad, but certainly of the transparency and communication therin.


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 NoseGoblin wrote:
Yep, sorry missed answering that... Yes, they will have enough full helmets and face makes for the squad.

The will also come with the non helmet heads and possibly, if there is room on the sprue, the helmeted without facemasks.

Three sets of heads? Enough to equip the full squad in the same way? Music to my ears.