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I’m not planning on putting much beyond a red dot on it. My other AK is the one that I’ll have any scopes on.

Anyone here ever used a binary trigger?

I installed/function tested one, haven't had the opportunity to shoot one yet however.

Ultimately I suspect that something like a Geissele SD3G standard semiauto trigger will probably prove a more functional and reliable rapid fire trigger, but the gigglyness of the binary trigger is undeniable.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Anyone here ever used a binary trigger?

I demoed one. It's fun.

Expensive to buy, expensive to own. It doesnt make the gun FA, it fires when you pull the trigger, fires when you release it - but it comes pretty damn close to it. You can put it on safe between shots (the one I tried anyway) and select Semi instead of giggle switch. I dont care for that - pull trigger fire, release trigger fire - messes with my firearms handling. I have CMC and Geissele triggers that I can get to fire PDQ once I find their sweet spots. I dont see binary triggers being used for competition or home defense though. If you have need to lay down suppressive fire for someone to move up on or fall back from a target, you're probably in a fireteam and most likely NOT stateside with much better equipment than a binary trigger.

FA is great if Uncle Sugar is paying for the ammo, not so much when comes out of your pocket. And getting FA is expensive as hell (over $20k, also Class 3 paperwork). My pockets arent that deep. Also, most ranges dont allow FA fire around my area.

Dont get me wrong, binaries are fun. I just wouldnt get one because it just doesnt suit me.

Dont let me dissuade you. You be you!

Last time I checked not many high end trigger kits for the CZ Scorpion. The stock trigger is functional as you would expect a military design to be. Can not feel the trigger reset. The binary trigger from flanklin arms as almost 3/4 the price of a whole new Evo. So it's $500 plus gunsmith for something that has no real applications in my world, besides fun factor. However fun factor plus a better trigger....could help tip the scales.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Last time I checked not many high end trigger kits for the CZ Scorpion. The stock trigger is functional as you would expect a military design to be. Can not feel the trigger reset. The binary trigger from flanklin arms as almost 3/4 the price of a whole new Evo. So it's $500 plus gunsmith for something that has no real applications in my world, besides fun factor. However fun factor plus a better trigger....could help tip the scales.

You shouldnt need a smith for that trigger group. Its a dirt simple installation.

I'd love to try a binary in my Scorpion, but yeah, the pricetag means I'm not gonna bother for the foreseeable future.

Just looking at some stuff from the SHOT show. S333 Thunderstrike. A .22 Mag double-barrel revolver, 8 rounds. Every trigger pull shoots two bullets, for 4-double taps.

It looks gimmicky as all heck, but I almost want one. For $350 MSRP, it won't kill my wallet.



Also, it looks like Hi-Point has modernized its pistol line up. New pistols function much like the old ones, but add A LOT of features like threaded barrels, better ergonomics, double-stack mags (with high capacity 15 and 20 round mags coming soon). This will spill over into their rifles soon. All for the same price as the last generation. Color me interested, at least as far as the rifles go.

I was looking at that revolver. I wonder about the regulations around it - it has 2 barrels and a single trigger, which legally I believe would make it a machine gun. Most of those gimmicky "2 barrel" guns have 2 triggers for a reason.

 Ouze wrote:
I was looking at that revolver. I wonder about the regulations around it - it has 2 barrels and a single trigger, which legally I believe would make it a machine gun. Most of those gimmicky "2 barrel" guns have 2 triggers for a reason.

Apparently they've gotten the go-ahead from the ATF. I'm perplexed as well. As far as function for a carry gun, I think 2 .22mag rounds would be considerably more effective than a single .380 auto. So, it's not totally useless.

As far as the ATF is concerned, you can have as many barrels as you want fire with a single trigger pull, volleyguns are just fine and dandy, as are double-barrel shotguns that can blast both bores at once, you can't can't have them do it continuously. The shots basically have to be in sequence to be an MG, if they're parallel then that's not an MG. Dunno the super detailed technical legal reasons why, but that's apparently how that works.

It looks like there is a volley gun exception. TIL.

 Ouze wrote:
It looks like there is a volley gun exception. TIL.

One never knows when the ATF may take an interest in an Imperial Helblaster after all

I'm sort of disappointed that they're horizontally aligned. I feel like vertical alignment would have allowed for a more compact system, possibly allowing more firing. maybe even a diagonal alignment.

I'm trying to imagine what kind of question the double-barrel ..22 is an answer for.

It's small, but looks wide.

It's .22LR...but only has four "shots"

It's low-recoil, but I'm curious what double-low-recoil equivalates to.

It falls into the same issue as most defensive minded revolvers, you're forcing yourself into a very limited time frame of solving your problem. Reloading a normal firearm is tough under stress, a revolver even more so...and a .22LR revolver more on top of that.

The trigger guard(?) looks snaggy and questionable as hell as well. I suppose it's neat for neat's sake, but I'm not seeing the value proposition here if it's meant to be taken seriously as a defensive tool. I do approve of what looks like a very tacky grip though.

It's actually .22 mag, not .22 LR. A single .22 mag has slightly more kinetic energy than a .380 auto. I wonder if having two shots so close together might tear into each others wound cavity, perhaps causing some kind of synergistic effect.

I had a .22WMR pistol and i wound up loving the round and hating the gun. Sorta acceptable stopping power - i would and do carry bigger, but i don't have issues cocking semiauto pistols and my wife does, and a .22WMR you can shoot beats a 9mm you can't rack the slide on.

Pretty much no recoil, about the same as a .22LR, maybe a tiny hair more but still basically nothing.

Better yet, gigantic goddamn fireballs.

The pistol I had was a PMR-30, which is the only firearm to date I hated enough to sell. What a POS.

I still have some .22WMR though. I'd love to get some kind of pistol that ran it but I am averse to revolvers - not for reasons that make sense - I just don't like them.

I like the idea of .22 mag, it just seems that semi-autos don't seem to like it.

Almost every semi auto I've ever heard of that is chambered in it is basically a jam-o-matic 5000. Ruger's rotary magazines might be the exception.

I have seen a lever action that I liked though, but for pistols I think revolvers are the only way to go at the moment.

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's actually .22 mag, not .22 LR. A single .22 mag has slightly more kinetic energy than a .380 auto. I wonder if having two shots so close together might tear into each others wound cavity, perhaps causing some kind of synergistic effect.

I have no doubt it would suck being hit by two bullets of any type, but while it always stirs controversy - four pulls of the trigger is simply not enough to rely on. However, I'm probably just overthinking it, as it's a borderline modern derringer I s'pose.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I like the idea of .22 mag, it just seems that semi-autos don't seem to like it.

Almost every semi auto I've ever heard of that is chambered in it is basically a jam-o-matic 5000.

Yeah, it's an impossible ask. The ammo is just too damn long and skinny and coupled with it being rimfire, it's hard. Even that new Kel-tec that holds 33 rounds of 22LR does so only by being (functionally) 2x single-stack magazines stuck together. I think only rotary will be really reliable and that doesn't lend itself well to any handgun other than a revolver. or a fairly low capacity single stack.

Speaking of, I think I am going to have to get that Kel-Tec CP33. I know this is not a good idea and I am probably going to hate it because it's probably going to have the same gakky problems that the PMR30 has, but at least this one can take a supressor (the PMR30 weirdly cannot despite even having a threaded barrel from the factory).

Anyone have any thoughts on mounting cameras to a firearm?

I'm thinking about the utility of a rail mounted camera. Reviewing range time could be interesting, CYA for legal issues, recording hunts, etc.

Anyone ever tried this? I've seen a couple interesting options, GoPros look too big, but stuff like the Tactacam Solo look neat.

I would think a rail mounted camera wouldn't be much use for being at the range. Even the most secure mount is going to shake like crazy when you fire so its not going to be a ton of help for stuff like reviewing your shots.

For hunting it might be interesting, though zoom distances and shaky camera when you fire might not give you great shots. Plus you can only film what you are actually aiming at. If you want to film a hunt, a GoPro on your vest or head is probably a better method.

Legal protection in the event you have to shoot a burglar is definitely a positive point for it though. If you have a dedicated "bump in the night" firearm it wouldn't be a bad idea. Though you still might have "can only film what you are aiming at" issues.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Though you still might have "can only film what you are aiming at" issues.

That was the big concern I had in general. I like the concept a lot, but muzzle flashing anything the camera gets pointed at is an issue to be concerned with.

I've done this many times with a GoPro Hero 5 Session. I think it's the only Gopro that is really suited to it in terms of size. It's too big for, say, a pistol, but it's smaller than a non-miniature sized weapon light - a 1 inch cube that weighs 2.5 oz.

If you decide to go that way, learn from my mistakes. I tried a bunch of different mounts, and almost all of them were lacking. This is the style you want:



One mod you want to do is take a hobby knife and scratch a grid into each of the mounting surfaces, the "discs" between the mount and the camera where it screws it. Without scratching that, the recoil will cause it to wiggle, but once you do that it's pretty solid.

I can only speak to the GoPro because that's all I have ever used. One place that the Tactacam is going to beat it hard is that it zooms, and the Gopro does not. If you want a really wide angle, like for hunting where you want all the scenery (or CYA legal reasons where you want a wide FOV), then the GoPro is going to win - but when I used it for target shooting, you can't even see the targets I was shooting at @100 yards.

Here is what you can expect (on an AR10):



So far as holding up to recoil, I have shot my Gopros with .308, 12 gauge 00 buck, and a bump-fired AK. That last one broke the mount within seconds but the camera was fine.



TAKE THAT DIRT

So, as you can see, the real problem I had was making interesting footage.

On the whole I would suggest sticking a gopro on your dog instead.

Oh snap, that's gorgeous, I didn't realize they made a GoPro that small, I'll definitely look into that. Looks like fun times.

I like the dog option

Trying to think of how to stick that on a Tavor...

You would need a bottom rail (does the Tavor have one under the handguard, or is that aftermarket?); and you can do one of these upside-down (the gopro automatically orients position so you can mount it sideways or upside or whatever):



otherwise you can do an offset one off the top rail, which would be pretty not great:



But would be cheap, about $10.

Restoring a K31, as in taking a look at it and looking if it still works.

Not Online!!! wrote:
Restoring a K31, as in taking a look at it and looking if it still works.

Cool. Those sound cool. Probably can’t find many outside Switzerland so do post pics. Bolt actions with detachable magazines are interesting.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Restoring a K31, as in taking a look at it and looking if it still works.

Cool. Those sound cool. Probably can’t find many outside Switzerland so do post pics. Bolt actions with detachable magazines are interesting.

And straight pull, however it's the one from my grandfather, as for many, they once were, thanks to the army everywhere, however alot of them have either been given back, recycled or made into props. So they have become quite rare.

If the K31 is the Swiss rifle I'm thinking of, they used to be quite available in the US about 10-15 years back. However, they came with a caveat: you couldn't find the ammunition...ever...at all, lol.

I hope that's changed. I'd hate having a firearm I couldn't shoot routinely.