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Think about it. The Jokaero, after being abandoned for a long time, came back in the GK Codex this year. With Zoats and Fimir coming back in WFB's storm of magic, do you
think the dead races are returning?

Got to ask: Squats?!?!?

Let me be the first to ask if and when the Pan Fo will be reviled?

I think it's more using what they already have, rather than design new gribblies.

If memory serves, there is nothing new in SoM, just new releases of what has gone before.

So perhaps we might see whole armies ressurected. Though I suspect they were originally dropped for good reason?

I doubt Squatts will be done. GW will be too busy with Marine books.

Well, I hope so. I'd like to see some love for the forgotten races of 40k.

Probably defending copyright and reviewing the mould library.

Don't forget the chaos dwarfs from forgeworld.

Well, before we get too into this. Perhaps one of the 40K veterans can describe some of the "dead races" we are to discuss? I've only played since 2008, so I had never heard of Jokaero before the release.

I am familiar with the Squats, of course, and I saw a reference to Barghesi in the core rulebook, but what other kind of stuff has fallen by the wayside?

Zoats were an offshoot of the tyranids at one point for 40K, the barghesi (so far as I know) have never been released.



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There also used to be a race called the 'Tau' but they got removed in the 5th edition rulebook.

Crystal-Maze wrote:There also used to be a race called the 'Tau' but they got removed in the 5th edition rulebook.

And if it weren't for the BA BS Necrons would be too.

Sabet wrote:And if it weren't for the BA BS Necrons would be too.

What do you mean by that?


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Kilkrazy wrote:Let me be the first to ask if and when the Pan Fo will be reviled?

Pan Fo?

The Zoat wrote:
Pan Fo?

Someone on Dakka wrote a really bad fan codex for his own race called the Pan Fo. He misspelled "revealed" so it was "the pan fo will be reviled!" which would be a clever play on words if the writer knew what they were doing.

I brought this up in another thread in the news and rumors section about how GW has been making a return to old school ideas. It started when they put the Shokk Attack Gun back in the Ork codex and has just been building in the years since, with the conversion beamer and thunderfire cannon (really just a thudd gun) in the Space Marine codex, the Jokearo in the GK dex, and the rumors of Squats/Demiurg showing up in the Tau codex in one way or another. I like it.

rockerbikie wrote:I doubt Squatts will be done. GW will be too busy with Marine books.

Give Squats power armour and marine stats. Job done. [/cynicism]

maybe after getting grief for phasing out models and units they're putting them back as options in armies. could be interesting. the new jerako look cool

It's nice to see some of the old races come back. Even if only for a cameo here and there. Still, a dedicated player could assemble an army of these formerly OOP races by using the new-release models as a base. Hypothetically, of course. Fielding that army would take some creativity, but a few home-brewed rules would solve that.

I don't think we'll see Squats, proper, but we may get Squat cyphers in the Demiurg, assuming they do make an appearance in the new Tau codex. That's assuming there is a new Tau codex. With 6th edition on the horizon, its more likely we'll see 6th edition, then Space Marines, Orks, IG, BA, SW, Eldar, DA, GK, DE, and then maybe, just maybe, NEcrons and Tau if they get around to it.

As for "Lost" races of 40K, well, as mentioned before there were the Zoats, who were an slave race of the Tyranids (back when genestealers were a seperate faction). Then there were the Squats, as everyone and their dog knows by now. Less well-known are the Chaos Squats. In the fluff, these guys were the ones arming the Traitor Legions after the fall. All those replacement suits of power armor had to come from somewhere... Plus there were the Jokaero, who recently made a re-appearance (I don't consider one model as an optional upgrade to a retinue as "bringing them back"... more of a cameo appearance). Then there were the Slann, who filled the same role as the Slann in Fantasy, and who's backstory became that of the Old Ones once they were removed from 40K (Just to clarify, Old Ones in fantasy are not Slann. Old Ones in 40K might not be Slann, either, but the Slann backstory was copy/pasted into the Old Ones lore when the little space froggies were swept under the rug).

I don't know of any other "Lost" races in 40K. I can't speak to lost races in Fantasy apart from Chaos Dwarves.

As for Fmir and Zoats in Storm of Magic, I hadn't heard about that. What info do you have on the subject, because I'm a tad curious to see a 40K critter running around in Fantasy... I thought GW had officially separated the two universes a while ago...

squidhills wrote:As for Fmir and Zoats in Storm of Magic, I hadn't heard about that. What info do you have on the subject, because I'm a tad curious to see a 40K critter running around in Fantasy... I thought GW had officially separated the two universes a while ago...

You mean a Fantasy critter running around in 40k

"Separated universes" isn't the same as "removed all things in common", it just means that the WH World isn't floating around somewhere in the Milky Way or the Warp.

Baragash wrote:

squidhills wrote:As for Fmir and Zoats in Storm of Magic, I hadn't heard about that. What info do you have on the subject, because I'm a tad curious to see a 40K critter running around in Fantasy... I thought GW had officially separated the two universes a while ago...

You mean a Fantasy critter running around in 40k

I was referring to the Zoat being in Fantasy, not the Fmir being in 40K. I know the Fmir are a Fantasy race that was removed long ago (but not much else about them). As far as I know, the Zoat were not a Fantasy race, originally. I could be wrong, though. I didn't get into fantasy until 5th edition.

Hello,
For those who are wanting thier squat fix, Mantic will have something very simallar in thier upcoming new game Warpath. That said I did send my source of information on those to Gencon and told him to demand female ones as well .

Regards,
Carl

squidhills wrote:

Baragash wrote:

squidhills wrote:As for Fmir and Zoats in Storm of Magic, I hadn't heard about that. What info do you have on the subject, because I'm a tad curious to see a 40K critter running around in Fantasy... I thought GW had officially separated the two universes a while ago...

You mean a Fantasy critter running around in 40k

I was referring to the Zoat being in Fantasy, not the Fmir being in 40K. I know the Fmir are a Fantasy race that was removed long ago (but not much else about them). As far as I know, the Zoat were not a Fantasy race, originally. I could be wrong, though. I didn't get into fantasy until 5th edition.

But where has this Zoat turned up? For the benefit of those less familiar with Storm of Magics offerings.

I want codex squats SO badly

Zoats existed before there were tyranids... the eldar used to be able to take them in their early lists... (I had a number of them).

Jakero were never a played race before, just part of the mythology.

Squats were legit... kind of an elite guard army with terminators for HQ. They were cool, would love to see them back.

The biggest come-back by far were the gene stealers, which originally only existed in the bestiary along with a dozen other miscellaneous critters & eventually developed into the tyranid race.

Brother SRM wrote:

The Zoat wrote:
Pan Fo?

Someone on Dakka wrote a really bad fan codex for his own race called the Pan Fo. He misspelled "revealed" so it was "the pan fo will be reviled!" which would be a clever play on words if the writer knew what they were doing.

Close, but not near close enough.

Someone wrote a bad fan codex(complete with a huge amount of typos, of which reviled was only the best remembered) because some studio member at a Games Day humored him and said something along the lines of "Sure, write it up and send it in, we'll take a look at it." He then posted it to the internet and someone at Dakka posted a link to the site to start a thread to ridicule it. Memetic mutation occurred.

It wasn't until years later that the creator joined Dakka.

Genestealer cults would be an awsome comeback in my opinion. It does seem like GW are putting more nods to previous incarnations in their games. Some of the text detailing the effects for the grenades in the GK codex were lifted straight out of 2nd ed.
Perhaps they don't hate vets as much as you think....






naw they pretty much do.

The Zoat wrote:do you think the dead races are returning?

It's already been confirmed: SoB are getting a new Codex next month!

Gitsplitta wrote:Zoats existed before there were tyranids... the eldar used to be able to take them in their early lists... (I had a number of them).

I'm not sure I remember that. My copy of Rogue Trader doesn't mention the Eldar being able to take them, though I admit it could be something from a later 1st edition Eldar-specific book.

Gitsplitta wrote:Jakero were never a played race before, just part of the mythology.

My copy of Rogue Trader would like to disagree with you.

Gitsplitta wrote:Squats were legit... kind of an elite guard army with terminators for HQ. They were cool, would love to see them back.

This sounds like a blend of Rogue Trader (1st Edition) and the Black Codex (2nd Edition). Squats were Imperials in 1st Edition, but I don't remember them getting the Exo Armor until 2nd edition, by which point they were considered Human-descended aliens, rather than a Human army.

Gitsplitta wrote:The biggest come-back by far were the gene stealers, which originally only existed in the bestiary along with a dozen other miscellaneous critters & eventually developed into the tyranid race.

Yup... remember how wierd they looked back then, too? No heads at all, just a neck with teeth. More H.P. Lovecraft and less H.R. Giger, in my opinion.

I had a girlfriend in the RT days who used to run a 1500 point army that consisted of 3 500pt, decked out Zoats. It was funny as hell.

-MightyG

squidhills wrote:

Baragash wrote:

squidhills wrote:As for Fmir and Zoats in Storm of Magic, I hadn't heard about that. What info do you have on the subject, because I'm a tad curious to see a 40K critter running around in Fantasy... I thought GW had officially separated the two universes a while ago...

You mean a Fantasy critter running around in 40k

I was referring to the Zoat being in Fantasy, not the Fmir being in 40K. I know the Fmir are a Fantasy race that was removed long ago (but not much else about them). As far as I know, the Zoat were not a Fantasy race, originally. I could be wrong, though. I didn't get into fantasy until 5th edition.

Well I can't prove exactly which came first, but:
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 1st Edition - 1986
Rogue trader - 1987